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[o Ventus]

You are just generalizing as hell
When did I say "Bioware is becoming greedy and evil" when did I say they are a " a terrible company"?

 

You are just being silly right now and assuming things

I already gave feedback numerous times but fanboys apparently want one to copy and paste the same old **** in every thread

 

Jeez..some people here

 

"... people who say things along those lines", meaning that while you did not say those exact words, it is your intended message and tone. I'm choosing my words carefully, so take care to read them carefully.

 

And you're right, you have given feedback, and for that I commend you. Actual, legitimate feedback without resorting to mindless criticism and hate-bashing. Except those two things are not mutually exclusive, you have done both in the past. I don't really feel the need to go and dig for posts to showcase the point since anyone can click on your profile and see your post and topic history, but I will if you don't believe me.

[line_genrou]

 

Perhaps I should have been more specific by saying that the way the fan base responds to it is creepy. It's still a shallow mini-game that rewards the player with sex. I have a hunch that it's only included because Bioware isn't looking forward to the rabid fan response should they decide to leave it out for once.

 

I don't think they should leave it out, but they should tone down because I think it's becoming one of the main things some people look forward to it now. Or maybe they could make one that is not shallow. The Morrigan romance in DAO is a favorite one for many fans because of the way it was written. Morrigan is complex character, and yes, you sleep with her fast, but when she falls for you it's not all sunshine and rainbows yay let's have sex everyday relationship. She actually leaves you in the end.

I think the romances are becoming too cheesy now. They could be deeper and more complex.
 

[o Ventus]

I don't think they should leave it out, but they should tone down because I think it's becoming one of the main things some people look forward to it now. Or maybe they could make one that is not shallow. The Morrigan romance in DAO is a favorite one for many fans because of the way it was written. Morrigan is complex character, and yes, you sleep with her fast, but when she falls for you it's not all sunshine and rainbows yay let's have sex everyday relationship. She actually leaves you in the end.

I think the romances are becoming too cheesy now. They could be deeper and more complex.
 

 

Yeah, and Morrigan also has an entire DLC dedicated to the Warden finding her and being able to continue the romance, which can eventually lead to the 2 of them raising a son (and it is implied in DAI that she and the Warden are married, should the romance continue).

 

But actually examining the rest of the relationship would take work, so let's not do that.

[line_genrou]

Yeah, and Morrigan also has an entire DLC dedicated to the Warden finding her and being able to continue the romance, which can eventually lead to the 2 of them raising a son (and it is implied in DAI that she and the Warden are married, should the romance continue).

 

But actually examining the rest of the relationship would take work, so let's not do that.

 

Ok, what the hell was the point of your post?

[o Ventus]

Ok, what the hell was the point of your post?

 

Your previous post implies that Morrigan leaves the Warden and that's that, leaving the romance on a bitter or otherwise sour note. I pointed out that no, it is actually one of the sweetest-ending romances that Bioware has ever done should the player pursue it. To my knowledge, it is the only Bioware romance that leads to a son and an implied marriage. You were being disingenuous and deliberately uninformative, for whatever reason, and I hate that ****.

[bondari reloads.]

I think the romances are becoming too cheesy now. They could be deeper and more complex.

There has been a demand for cheesiness throughout the years. DA:O had the Alistair marriage mod. ME3 had MEHEM.

Solas is worse than Morrigan. Arguably the most notable addition to the game due to the delay, depending on the coming DLC.

[line_genrou]

Your previous post implies that Morrigan leaves the Warden and that's that, leaving the romance on a bitter or otherwise sour note. I pointed out that no, it is actually one of the sweetest-ending romances that Bioware has ever done should the player pursue it. To my knowledge, it is the only Bioware romance that leads to a son and an implied marriage. You were being disingenuous and deliberately uninformative, for whatever reason, and I hate that ****.

 

Wow, you seem upset. Calm down.

Anyway, you ignored the context of my post and just saw "Morrigan leaves the warden so the romance is deep"

I meant that one of the reasons the romance is more complex is that Morrigan and the warden are not all cheesiness throughout the whole game. She takes advantage of him, rejects him, push and pull and then leaves. Plus her first intention with the warden was to just have sex with him and get a child at the end, not to care for him. You completely missed the point of what I said.

[Sartoz]

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but accusing the developers of gutting their own game won't result in making the next one any better.
I like how lenient the mods seem to be around here (they kept one of brevnau's threads around if I'm not mistaken), but how some complaints are worded is uncalled for.
Bottom line: You cannot hold a game developer ransom with the accomplishments of another, and neither should you.

 

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Actually, lots of content was cut, for a number of valid reasons, according to Mike Laidlaw, the Creative Director for Bio, Edmonton. Game pacing for one and memory limitations on the old gen consoles, for another. But, if you say that the new gen and the PC hardware outruns and outshines the old gen harware, I'd say TRUE. However, the decision was to make the same game for all platforms. Ergo, content that failed to fit in the old gen meant it had to go.

 

As for the mods being lenient, hmm... not so much. Depends on the mod. I got sacntioned for quoting Mike Laidlaw because in his twitter post he used uncouth language. That was really brilliant on the mod's part.

 

While I agree with your last sentence, I'm still waiting for my PC version of the game from Mike's famous two lines:

 

"..a PC game for PC gamers by PC gamers"

".. we went back to our roots."

 

Cheers,

[o Ventus]

 

Anyway, you ignored the context of my post and just saw "Morrigan leaves the warden so the romance is deep"

I meant that one of the reasons the romance is more complex is that Morrigan and the warden are not all cheesiness throughout the whole game. She takes advantage of him, rejects him, push and pull and then leaves. Plus her first intention with the warden was to just have sex with him and get a child at the end, not to care for him. You completely missed the point of what I said.

 

Okay, fine, let's take another look at your last post.

 

I don't think they should leave it out, but they should tone down because I think it's becoming one of the main things some people look forward to it now. Or maybe they could make one that is not shallow. The Morrigan romance in DAO is a favorite one for many fans because of the way it was written. Morrigan is complex character, and yes, you sleep with her fast, but when she falls for you it's not all sunshine and rainbows yay let's have sex everyday relationship. She actually leaves you in the end.

I think the romances are becoming too cheesy now. They could be deeper and more complex.
 

 

Now let's look at my post.

 

 

Your previous post implies that Morrigan leaves the Warden and that's that, leaving the romance on a bitter or otherwise sour note. I pointed out that no, it is actually one of the sweetest-ending romances that Bioware has ever done should the player pursue it. To my knowledge, it is the only Bioware romance that leads to a son and an implied marriage. You were being disingenuous and deliberately uninformative, for whatever reason, and I hate that ****.

 

Now, look at the bolded parts of those posts. The bolded part of your previous post is the point I was responding to, and the bolded part in mine is the main point I was getting at. I directly say "implies", indicating some underlying meaning to your post that you didn't explicitly state with words. You implied that Morrigan leaves the Warden and that's that. Literally "she leaves you in the end". Your other context is irrelevant to this discussion because those are not the points I was responding to. My fault for not making that more clear. I don't care about what you have to say about the romance over the duration of the game, only the end of the romance arc in that game.

 

Either way, you didn't really even mention the bulk of the romance or its depth and complexity before, instead only paying it lip service with "The Morrigan romance in DAO is a favorite one for many fans because of the way it was written." It's hard to deduce the context when it's given 1 sentence in a paragraph that is 5 lines and 7 sentences long.

[line_genrou]

 

 

 

Okay, fine, let's take another look at your last post.

 

 

Now let's look at my post.

 

 

 

Now, look at the bolded parts of those posts. The bolded part of your previous post is the point I was responding to, and the bolded part in mine is the main point I was getting at. I directly say "implies", indicating some underlying meaning to your post that you didn't explicitly state with words. You implied that Morrigan leaves the Warden and that's that. Literally "she leaves you in the end". Your other context is irrelevant to this discussion because those are not the points I was responding to. My fault for not making that more clear. I don't care about what you have to say about the romance over the duration of the game, only the end of the romance arc in that game.

 

Either way, you didn't really even mention the bulk of the romance or its depth and complexity before, instead only paying it lip service with "The Morrigan romance in DAO is a favorite one for many fans because of the way it was written." It's hard to deduce the context when it's given 1 sentence in a paragraph that is 5 lines and 7 sentences long.

 

lol Ok.

 

[Sartoz]

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I think the romances are becoming too cheesy now. They could be deeper and more complex.
 

 

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Indeed.  And, it's the reason TW3's romance is superior.  My Cass romance was a quest, once done, it is over... move along now....

[Sasie]

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Indeed.  And, it's the reason TW3's romance is superior.  My Cass romance was a quest, once done, it is over... move along now....

Oh come on, Witcher 3 is no better. Triss has almost no content after Novigrad and Yennefer is the same after Skellige. The Triss/Yennefer content is nice when they appear but after they are done there is still 2/3's of the game left to go. Also once Ciri shows up and Kaer morhen is done Geralt will barely talk to his lover for the rest of the game.

When I did the Solas romance in Inquisition at least my Inquisitor traveled with Solas, spoke to him often and there was several quests spread out over the game. He didn't just talk to me for the first half of the game, stop and then asked if my Inquisitor wanted to run away with him after the final battle. Yennefer however does exactly that and from what I read Triss is even worse. Not to mention that CD Projekt Red are the ones who decide who Geralt likes and change it on their whim between games. 

Try playing Witcher 1 with Shani, Witcher 2 with Triss and Witcher 3 with Yennefer and then tell me there is any complexity to Geralt's feelings. On top of that Geralt can also sleep around with random strangers one moment and then claim to love Yennefer or Triss the next. The Witcher series doesn't cover love in any deep way what so ever, it's basically just sex.

[Sartoz]

Oh come on, Witcher 3 is no better. Triss has almost no content after Novigrad and Yennefer is the same after Skellige. The Triss/Yennefer content is nice when they appear but after they are done there is still 2/3's of the game left to go. Also once Ciri shows up and Kaer morhen is done Geralt will barely talk to his lover for the rest of the game.

When I did the Solas romance in Inquisition at least my Inquisitor traveled with Solas, spoke to him often and there was several quests spread out over the game. He didn't just talk to me for the first half of the game, stop and then asked if my Inquisitor wanted to run away with him after the final battle. Yennefer however does exactly that and from what I read Triss is even worse. Not to mention that CD Projekt Red are the ones who decide who Geralt likes and change it on their whim between games. 

Try playing Witcher 1 with Shani, Witcher 2 with Triss and Witcher 3 with Yennefer and then tell me there is any complexity to Geralt's feelings. On top of that Geralt can also sleep around with random strangers one moment and then claim to love Yennefer or Triss the next. The Witcher series doesn't cover love in any deep way what so ever, it's basically just sex.

 

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Are you saying that in your search for Yen you found no agonising choices over her?  I found Cass' romance the equivalent of Archies' comics.. made for teenies. TW3 is the adult version.

[TobyJake]

Romanced Morrigan and Leliana in DAO, separate play throughs. Isabela in DA2, Sera and Cassandra in DAI.

Pixelated intercourse is not where it is at! Writing and story arc is. Morrigan and Leliana were memorable. Isabela was like a cardboard cutout.

Sera was fine but shallow. If she developed as a person it would have been very different. Cassandra similar.

A  romance assumes some sort of bond, not an achievement. I had that girl, lets go and kill some demons now.

If you take the time to romance someone, you at least expect them to remember you the day after! But that is the fault of the writers involved, not the game itself. Since DA2 any communication between the player and any LI was totally scripted. Talk to Isabela 3 times and she is in your bed. Some buildup not!

That was the beauty of BG2. Tiny pixelated graphics but what a story. Viconia my little dark elf. That is how you keep the interest and immersion.

 

 

^^ this

Without the background of W1 and W2, you are faced with the decision: Triss is here, but do I throw it away for Yennefer? No going back on that choice. You have to choose or lose both forever.

[Dreadstruck]

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Are you saying that in your search for Yen you found no agonising choices over her?  I found Cass' romance the equivalent of Archies' comics.. made for teenies. TW3 is the adult version.

 

The Last Wish quest from TW3 was amazing.

 

The entire game was actually a pretty huge feels train ride.

[Elhanan]

Romanced Morrigan and Leliana in DAO, separate play throughs. Isabela in DA2, Sera and Cassandra in DAI.
Pixelated intercourse is not where it is at! Writing and story arc is. Morrigan and Leliana were memorable. Isabela was like a cardboard cutout.
Sera was fine but shallow. If she developed as a person it would have been very different. Cassandra similar.
A  romance assumes some sort of bond, not an achievement. I had that girl, lets go and kill some demons now.
If you take the time to romance someone, you at least expect them to remember you the day after! But that is the fault of the writers involved, not the game itself. Since DA2 any communication between the player and any LI was totally scripted. Talk to Isabela 3 times and she is in your bed. Some buildup not!
That was the beauty of BG2. Tiny pixelated graphics but what a story. Viconia my little dark elf. That is how you keep the interest and immersion.

While I am not a fan of Isabela as a character, this may be the point of her personality: sex means little to her, but revealing her inner self takes a bit longer if one desires that in a relationship. In her Romance, sex seems to be the short term objective; a reverse of most other characters.

[line_genrou]

Without the background of W1 and W2, you are faced with the decision: Triss is here, but do I throw it away for Yennefer? No going back on that choice. You have to choose or lose both forever.

 

What I like about it is that Geralt and Yennefer have a history and is clearly shown in the way they interact and their familiarity with each other. They also have a on and off relationship with Yennefer having a strong personality, they clash a lot apparently, but clearly love each other.

Triss you know from the other two games, but she obviously took advantage of Geralt's amnesia to get with him, and she's Yen's friend!

Also take notice how Yen tell Geralt that mages cured her amensia after meeting with the Wild Hunt and implies that Triss could have done the same to him.

Like I said before, in DAI romances are just too shallow.

[Saphiron123]

Yeah, and Morrigan also has an entire DLC dedicated to the Warden finding her and being able to continue the romance, which can eventually lead to the 2 of them raising a son (and it is implied in DAI that she and the Warden are married, should the romance continue).

 

But actually examining the rest of the relationship would take work, so let's not do that.

That's pretty much the way bioware handled inquisiiton. They did the broad strokes, but left out all the small details that would have made the game amazing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's pretty much the way bioware handled inquisiiton. They did the broad strokes, but left out all the small details that would have made the game amazing.

I prefer there being room for interpretation rather than having every detail decided for you. 

[Dutch's Ghost]

It's also garbage.

[Dutch's Ghost]

The Last Wish quest from TW3 was amazing.

 

The entire game was actually a pretty huge feels train ride.

 

The ending was fantastic, well the ending i got. Much better than DAI single ending.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I prefer there being room for interpretation rather than having every detail decided for you. 

 

So essentially you'd prefer vagueness and to headcanon plotholes? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So essentially you'd prefer vagueness and to headcanon plotholes? 

Why would I headcanon plotholes?