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True. I guess I just didn't think that Cory was telling the truth. :lol:  Though, we truly have so very little information about it that at this point BW can truly do whatever they want with it. Most of what we have is information from the Chantry (who are... not the most reliable source of information, since they tend to turn everything into propaganda) and part of it is Cory (who also isn't).

I find it unlikely that the Golden City was always black. Every mage could see it. I doubt the chantry covered up the statements of every mage, including Tevinter ones.



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Most of my posts are actually from the IT thread :lol: It was brilliant, canon or not. But you're right. They seemed to act like it was the best. Which has me worrying for their collective sanity/morality.

 

Well, see, I can see it 2 ways:

 

1. Do they deserve to die? Of course not, but you're talking about an individual and a race that consists entirely of soldiers, and both EDI and the Geth say flat-out that they will do anything, including be rendered non-functional, to defeat the reapers. The risk of having the reapers still around is too great. (Also, if they wanted us to actually feel bad, they could have shown us the Geth/EDI dying. I find it curious they didn't, even in the EC.)

 

2. I prefer to headcanon the indoctrination theory, in which case they aren't even dead anyway :P

3. They can be rebuilt just as the relays can be. All the races working together, seeing the sacrifice of the Geth (especially if saved alongside the Quarians) decide to rebuild them. EDI is the first to be remade. That's how I headcannon it myself. If you can rebuild Reaper/Leviathan Tech back to functioning order then you can remake a race of sentient AI. :huh:



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3. They can be rebuilt just as the relays can be. All the races working together, seeing the sacrifice of the Geth (especially if saved alongside the Quarians) decide to rebuild them. EDI is the first to be remade. That's how I headcannon it myself. If you can rebuild Reaper/Leviathan Tech back to functioning order then you can remake a race of sentient AI. :huh:

 

Rebuilding them is not the same as rebuilding the relays. I mean, you can do it, but will they be the same "people" as they were before? I guess this delves into the metaphysical and into pretty much purely hypothetical theories, but will a person be the same if you have a way to transfer his consciousness into another body?

 

Or, to put it in Legion's words: Does this unit have a soul?

 

Yes, you do.  :crying:

 

 

I find it unlikely that the Golden City was always black. Every mage could see it. I doubt the chantry covered up the statements of every mage, including Tevinter ones.

 

 

I agree on that. I don't think that it was always black. However, as we can see the Chantry (and the powers of Thedas) can cover up things pretty well, if we judge by what we learn in the Jaw of Hakkon about the end of the previous Inquisitor, the elves, and the Exalted Marches.


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My head canon is that Shep and Harby had a fist fight (nude)on top of Arsenal Gear then they both fall off and everybody decides it's a draw then agree to disagree.

Later Shep and Harby co-host a talk show.
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My head canon is that Shep and Harby had a fist fight (nude)on top of Arsenal Gear then they both fall off and everybody decides it's a draw then agree to disagree.

Later Shep and Harby co-host a talk show.

First guests: Evil Clone Shep (man what happened on the citadel broski?), Miranda (why  are you not on my team, again?), and Sovereign (Worst plan ever. Couldn't you just have waited a couple years and taken everybody completely by surprise?)



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I really hope they actually use ME4 as a opportunity to tell the rumoured story about the "dark energy creatures" that eat suns. That subplot in ME2 was so intriguing, but seeing ME3 devolve into a rather simplistic and cliche route was unfortunate. I really wanted to see it become about the Reapers taking the extreme measures they did because it was the only thing holding back a far more sinister evil.

Red for me. :lol:

 

And imho, it will be interesting to finally see the dark energy plot. Because there were so many hints in ME1 & ME2 and we are led to believe that some sinister event is about to happen and then in ME3...  :mellow: Oh, sorry, we forgot about dark energy, this never happened pls. But the lead writer of ME1/2 left and I guess they didn't want to go into that direction. Plus, from what I've read in his interviews, the idea was really underdeveloped.

 

I thought that they were running with that 'dark energy' ending, and then it got leaked, in its entirety, in November 2011, months away from release. The writers had to lock themselves in a room and rewrite the entire ending in very little time, hence what we ended up with. I don't remember any issues about the team changing the story because writers from ME1 and 2 left. I was under the impression it was all due to that infamous leak.

 

But it wasn't tainted, at least according to Cory in DA2. He made it clear that the City was already Black when he got there, and the whole Golden City was religious propaganda. Not far from your "humans muck things up" take on it, though... Just a different group of them lol.

 

Corypheus being clear on his opinion unfortunately doesn't make it clear canon. For all we know, his presence caused and created the taint, as the chantry suggests, and his first observation of the Golden City was it already tainted by himself and the other magisters. Having said that, it's certainly possible that his reasoning is true as well - as has already been said, we'll just have to wait and see what Bioware do with it. I just don't think that Corypheus' words bear a dreadful amount of weight, on the topic of the Golden City.

 

 

As for ME4, well... my enthusiasm for ME has been killed, resurrected and then killed again a few times. I'm just done with it. Obviously I'll wait for reviews before thinking about getting it, but even then, I'm worried that the first game might be good, the second game might be great, but the third game will disregard its series within 10 minutes of the end (assuming new trilogy). I don't want to have to wait 5-7 years to decide to get it or not, but I'm kind of stuck unless they confirm it's stand-alone.

 

Haha, that's a very interesting point of view. Personally, I can still play Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3, and enjoy most of it, despite not particularly admiring the endings in 3. Even if they screw everything up at the end of the third installment of the new Mass Effect series (if it is indeed a trilogy), if the first installment is really good, it wouldn't change the fact that the first installment is really good.

 

For me, you could compare that to anything. A failed sequel doesn't tarnish what's already made, even if it's directly part of the same story. I quite enjoyed the first two Hobbit movies, though I wasn't particularly impressed by the Battle of Five Armies - doesn't mean I enjoy the first two any less. Aliens was great, Aliens 3 less so - doesn't make Aliens any worse.

 

Having said that, I can understand how others might have different opinions, but this is my own.

 

And IRC there are going to be 5 DLCs for MP. We already got Destruction and now Dragonslayer.

 

5 MP DLCs? Really? Where did you hear that? That would be awesome if it's true :)



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Fix'd that for you. Multiplayer was and is the best part of ME3! :lol:

Heh. I'm going to assume you were being facetious. Going from 2 solid SPs to an allegedly better MP would strengthens my argument. Besides it'd be easier crunch out a multi-map MP than a very large open-world SP in a year's time.



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Haha, that's a very interesting point of view. Personally, I can still play Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3, and enjoy most of it, despite not particularly admiring the endings in 3. Even if they screw everything up at the end of the third installment of the new Mass Effect series (if it is indeed a trilogy), if the first installment is really good, it wouldn't change the fact that the first installment is really good.

 

For me, you could compare that to anything. A failed sequel doesn't tarnish what's already made, even if it's directly part of the same story. I quite enjoyed the first two Hobbit movies, though I wasn't particularly impressed by the Battle of Five Armies - doesn't mean I enjoy the first two any less. Aliens was great, Aliens 3 less so - doesn't make Aliens any worse.

 

Having said that, I can understand how others might have different opinions, but this is my own.

 

 

5 MP DLCs? Really? Where did you hear that? That would be awesome if it's true :)

You raise a fair point. I suppose the main reason it's so distressing for me is because it's the very end of a trilogy. If, say, the ending of ME2 was absolute trash, I could still play the trilogy fine. It's just when it's the end, well, you have an anticlimax at the end of 3 playthroughs. So it's timing, I guess. But yeah, I'll wait for reviews, and if everyone says it's spectacular, I might pick it up on sale or what have you.

 

I would assume the 5 MP DLC thing came from the fact that ME3 had 5, and the devs said they would "support DA:I MP as much as ME3". Or... more? I can't remember. I hope it's true though.



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Mass Effect Andromeda (ME4): November 2016. We have a whole year for DAIMP.



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Mass Effect Andromeda (ME4): November 2016. We have a whole year for DAIMP.

Then let's hope DAIMP will have more new things to offer :)


Edit: sooooooooo excited for ME:A

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Andromeda?

 

*Disgusted Noise*



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Andromeda?

 

*Disgusted Noise*

 

After the galaxy... I assume that is the setting for the game. They wanted to removed numeration from the game, since it's a new story arc.



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After the galaxy... I assume that is the setting for the game. They wanted to removed numeration from the game, since it's a new story arc.

I understand all that, hence the disgusted noise.



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I understand all that, hence the disgusted noise.

 

It was well known that the Shepard Arc was finished and they would be going with a new arc.



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Andromeda?

 

*Disgusted Noise*

 

On a *entirely* unrelated note I didn't think that there was anything in the world that didn't go well with Johnny Cash. I was wrong.



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It was well known that the Shepard Arc was finished and they would be going with a new arc.

You keep saying stuff I already know.



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You keep saying stuff I already know.

 

The protagonist will be a adorable doll made out of red yarn. Bet you didn't know that!

 

Oh, and Graham Scott confirmed N7 Druffalo enemy with Omni-Horns and Biotic Charge... Heaven help us all...

 

B)


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On a *entirely* unrelated note I didn't think that there was anything in the world that didn't go well with Johnny Cash. I was wrong.


Haemorrhoid cream commercials?

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Haemorrhoid cream commercials?

 

You know what? We don't have those in my country. I wonder if we're more active or something and the market for it is small or just the companies have just been lazy. :lol:

 

So yes, Johnny Cash doesn't work for ME4 and haemmorhoid cream commercials. (I refuse to call it Andromeda for now, makes me think of the show instead :lol: )

 

But damn, I am a little bit excited tbh, after all ME is one of my favourite games ever and despite the flak I throw their way sometimes I stil love BW.


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But damn, I am a little bit excited tbh, after all ME is one of my favourite games ever and despite the flak I throw their way sometimes I stil love BW.

I wish I could still be excited. It depresses me so much I don't even want to watch the teaser :(



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Mass Effect Andromeda (ME4): November 2016. We have a whole year for DAIMP.

 

That's a long time to being play DAIMP.  Which is better:

 

1.) Stretch out 3 remaining DLCs all the way out to November 2016.

2.) Release all the DLCs as fast as possible.

 

Problem with #2 is that once all DLCs are released, they will end support for the game (just like me3).  That means many months of no DAIMP support while still waiting for me4mp.  I dunno if I would even keep playing once DAIMP support has officially ended.

 

Maybe #1 is best - stretch out the 3 remaining DLCs all the way to November 2016.



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Or ;

 

3; Get additional funding for additional DAIMP DLC. (Pending ROI of course)



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That's a long time to being play DAIMP.  Which is better:

 

1.) Stretch out 3 remaining DLCs all the way out to November 2016.

2.) Release all the DLCs as fast as possible.

 

Problem with #2 is that once all DLCs are released, they will end support for the game (just like me3).  That means many months of no DAIMP support while still waiting for me4mp.  I dunno if I would even keep playing once DAIMP support has officially ended.

 

Maybe #1 is best - stretch out the 3 remaining DLCs all the way to November 2016.

What they really need to do this time, which was a very unfortunate mistake with ME3, is end the support cycle a bit after the last DLC, to patch bugs and balance things from said DLC. ME3 didn't do that for its last DLC.


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You know what? We don't have those in my country. I wonder if we're more active or something and the market for it is small or just the companies have just been lazy. :lol:


Yeah, we don't have them in the UK either. But I can't help but think of them every time I hear ring of fire. I'm that mature.
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I wish I could still be excited. It depresses me so much I don't even want to watch the teaser :(

 

don't watch it.