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[Torgette]

So I brought this up about TW3 in the DAI feedback thread but figured it was apt with ME:A's emphasis on exploration: please emphasize visual cues and organic exploration, NOT heavy reliance on the map or mini-map. We should be able to figure out where we are based on landmarks alone, and if there's a gps line it should be projected in-game and not something we constantly have to check.

[AlanC9]

Then there's no reason for the Reapers to be around reaping then is there? All you're pointing out is that the Geth lacked the ability to wipe out Organics. What the Geth and EDI show is a lack of will to wipe out Organics. They don't have hostility. They want to coexist. The Catalyst's premise is that Synthetics always wipe out their creators.

They had a lack of will at that monent? Sure. What does that say about later moments?

You've got a data point. You don't have proof

[CronoDragoon]

Then there's no reason for the Reapers to be around reaping then is there? All you're pointing out is that the Geth lacked the ability to wipe out Organics. What the Geth and EDI show is a lack of will to wipe out Organics. They don't have hostility. They want to coexist. The Catalyst's premise is that Synthetics always wipe out their creators.

 

Semantics (but semantics are important when talking about an AI): that isn't the Catalyst's premise. Its premise is that synthetics will always rebel against their creators, and that synthetics will one day wipe out all organics.

 

In other words, the Catalyst only needs to be once right in a billion cases, which is part of the reason why arguing with it is pointless.

[goishen]

Then there's no reason for the Reapers to be around reaping then is there? All you're pointing out is that the Geth lacked the ability to wipe out Organics. What the Geth and EDI show is a lack of will to wipe out Organics. They don't have hostility. They want to coexist. The Catalyst's premise is that Synthetics always wipe out their creators.

 

 

 

Right, but that's because we keep on creating them.  If, in other words, we had to stop using anything...   Say, plastics.   Do you even realize how much our lives would change?   Hello 1940's America.  All you have to do is take each of these things to their logical conclusion.  It doesn't matter if the next ten AI's that we create will be decent, like EDI or the geth.  That eleventh one will wipe a significant portion, if not all, of us away. 

[Iakus]

Right, but that's because we keep on creating them.  If, in other words, we had to stop using anything...   Say, plastics.   Do you even realize how much our lives would change?   Hello 1940's America.  All you have to do is take each of these things to their logical conclusion.  It doesn't matter if the next ten AI's that we create will be decent, like EDI or the geth.  That eleventh one will wipe a significant portion, if not all, of us away. 

And this exact same philosophy could be said about organics.  We keep meting new civilizations, and one day one of them's gonna take a shot at us and try to wipe us out.

 

Oh, wait, that's already happened several times this cycle alone.

[OriginalTibs]

In [place of a Keep where you choose between select possible events from the ME-trilogy, after the initial splash screen Bioware will present three buttons to select from.

 

The buttons will be red, blue, and green.

[Natureguy85]

They had a lack of will at that monent? Sure. What does that say about later moments?

You've got a data point. You don't have proof

 

I also have no contradictory data. I just have to take the Catalyst's word for it.

 

Later is later. Maybe the Catalyst is right. If so, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Who is the Catalyst to make that decision for us? We'll forge our own path and make our own solution. Sound familiar? This is the reason Legion says the True Geth reject the Reapers. The Civilizations of this cycle have already been directed enough by the Reapers through use of their technology. Thanks, but no thanks. The fact that they already had this theme in the series is what makes the garbage ending so maddening.

 

 

 

Semantics (but semantics are important when talking about an AI): that isn't the Catalyst's premise. Its premise is that synthetics will always rebel against their creators, and that synthetics will one day wipe out all organics.

 

In other words, the Catalyst only needs to be once right in a billion cases, which is part of the reason why arguing with it is pointless.

 

No, because his premise has the word "always". He only has to be wrong once. So far, he's wrong about the current cycle. We neither need or want his "solution".

 

Right, but that's because we keep on creating them.  If, in other words, we had to stop using anything...   Say, plastics.   Do you even realize how much our lives would change?   Hello 1940's America.  All you have to do is take each of these things to their logical conclusion.  It doesn't matter if the next ten AI's that we create will be decent, like EDI or the geth.  That eleventh one will wipe a significant portion, if not all, of us away. 

 

I don't know what you're talking about or how it relates to my post that you quoted. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

And this exact same philosophy could be said about organics.  We keep meting new civilizations, and one day one of them's gonna take a shot at us and try to wipe us out.

 

Oh, wait, that's already happened several times this cycle alone.

 

Yeah, it was a big plot hole that it doesn't care about Organics killing each other. I guess it didn't think they could wipe each other out entirely.

[goishen]

I don't know what you're talking about or how it relates to my post that you quoted. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

 

According to your post, it's an absolute thing.  As if the first one we make goes absolutely batshit insane and tries to start killing everyone.  However, organics will continue to make AI's.  Eventually, one of them has to go batshit insane.  Otherwise, how would we learn as a species, number one.  And number two, how would we learn how to program AI's more carefully?

[Natureguy85]

According to your post, it's an absolute thing.  As if the first one we make goes absolutely batshit insane and tries to start killing everyone.  However, organics will continue to make AI's.  Eventually, one of them has to go batshit insane.  Otherwise, how would we learn as a species, number one.  And number two, how would we learn how to program AI's more carefully?

 

According to the Catalyst, it's an absolute thing. He says "The Created will always rebel against their Creators."

 

Yes, if you assume that Organics create and infinite number of Synthetics throughout eternity, eventually one of them will probably go insane. However, you said "tries", which raises the question of what if Organics are capable of shutting down or defeating those Synthetics that go crazy.

 

Also, the cycle is a stupid solution to the problem. Why not just sit  and watch synthetics, and if they try to wipe out Organics, destroy those synthetics? They also throw in the Babylon 5 idea of removing the "older races" so the younger ones have room to grow. This is only mentioned in one line so I'm not sure why it's there.

 

Your last two lines are ridiculous. We can learn without cataclysmic disaster.

[MasterChiefWiggum]

As long as there is more importance of the romance aspect of the game im happy. I wasn't at all thrilled with the aspect in the trilogy, it was like you romanced Liara and then nothing happend (sex/kissing doesn't count). It should be more important to the story at least partially rather then being stashed away in the background.

[Torgette]

According to the Catalyst, it's an absolute thing. He says "The Created will always rebel against their Creators."

 

Yes, if you assume that Organics create and infinite number of Synthetics throughout eternity, eventually one of them will probably go insane. However, you said "tries", which raises the question of what if Organics are capable of shutting down or defeating those Synthetics that go crazy.

 

Also, the cycle is a stupid solution to the problem. Why not just sit  and watch synthetics, and if they try to wipe out Organics, destroy those synthetics? They also throw in the Babylon 5 idea of removing the "older races" so the younger ones have room to grow. This is only mentioned in one line so I'm not sure why it's there.

 

Your last two lines are ridiculous. We can learn without cataclysmic disaster.

 

Which is funny because the Catalyst rebelled against its creators, Leviathan is basically thinking this for a billion years:

 

 

[Natureguy85]

Which is funny because the Catalyst rebelled against its creators, Leviathan is basically thinking this for a billion years:

 

 

 

Yeah, and the final nail in the terrible writing coffin is that the writers deliberately and explicitly removed the irony with the comparison to fire and the Leviathans saying that the Catalyst was doing what it was meant to do.

 

I love that line, but my favorite is soon after. "You woke the bears. Why did you do that?"

[Sturm.B]

But the manner in which the devs said we wouldn't be needing our saves implied that choices wouldn't carry over in any way.

 

Link? I need to know 100%. Would be greatly appreciated

[In Exile]

Right, but that's because we keep on creating them.  If, in other words, we had to stop using anything...   Say, plastics.   Do you even realize how much our lives would change?   Hello 1940's America.  All you have to do is take each of these things to their logical conclusion.  It doesn't matter if the next ten AI's that we create will be decent, like EDI or the geth.  That eleventh one will wipe a significant portion, if not all, of us away. 

A species goes extinct like... every day. "Organic" life is super awesome at committing genocide. That's what makes it all so nonsensical. There's nothing special about being made out of meat that somehow makes our meat-like existence privileged over other forms of life. Mass Effect is the first science fiction series to look at AI, opine that it is not so different from meat-based life because what creates "humanity" is thought and sapience... and then concludes with meat being special anyway because it's made of the Right Stuff ™. 

[In Exile]

According to the Catalyst, it's an absolute thing. He says "The Created will always rebel against their Creators."

 

Yes, if you assume that Organics create and infinite number of Synthetics throughout eternity, eventually one of them will probably go insane. However, you said "tries", which raises the question of what if Organics are capable of shutting down or defeating those Synthetics that go crazy.

 

Also, the cycle is a stupid solution to the problem. Why not just sit  and watch synthetics, and if they try to wipe out Organics, destroy those synthetics? They also throw in the Babylon 5 idea of removing the "older races" so the younger ones have room to grow. This is only mentioned in one line so I'm not sure why it's there.

 

Your last two lines are ridiculous. We can learn without cataclysmic disaster.

 

What makes this complete nonsense is, as I said above, the fact that there's nothing special about meat. Thinking meat isn't an achievement any more than thinking metal. 

[Torgette]

A species goes extinct like... every day. "Organic" life is super awesome at committing genocide. That's what makes it all so nonsensical. There's nothing special about being made out of meat that somehow makes our meat-like existence privileged over other forms of life. Mass Effect is the first science fiction series to look at AI, opine that it is not so different from meat-based life because what creates "humanity" is thought and sapience... and then concludes with meat being special anyway because it's made of the Right Stuff ™. 

 

Probably because Mass Effect is about an ancient synthetic form of life who rebelled against their creators and subsequently have slaughtered hundreds of trillions of organic beings for reasons. Organic life has every right to exist, if you don't believe it does then pick refusal and let the cycle continue.

[lynroy]

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw 

Checked out some Andromeda progress yesterday. Very excited about where it's headed.

[PhroXenGold]

A species goes extinct like... every day. "Organic" life is super awesome at committing genocide. That's what makes it all so nonsensical. There's nothing special about being made out of meat that somehow makes our meat-like existence privileged over other forms of life. Mass Effect is the first science fiction series to look at AI, opine that it is not so different from meat-based life because what creates "humanity" is thought and sapience... and then concludes with meat being special anyway because it's made of the Right Stuff ™.

 

Heh, makes you wonder what place an entirely artifical but organic race would have in the ME universe....

[goishen]

You don't like the ending, I get it.  But I don't know what else to tell you, except that I was perfectly fine with the endings.   Even before the EC. 

[Iakus]

What makes this complete nonsense is, as I said above, the fact that there's nothing special about meat. Thinking meat isn't an achievement any more than thinking metal. 

Well, meat is tastier than metal  

[robertthebard]

I also have no contradictory data. I just have to take the Catalyst's word for it.
 
Later is later. Maybe the Catalyst is right. If so, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Who is the Catalyst to make that decision for us? We'll forge our own path and make our own solution. Sound familiar? This is the reason Legion says the True Geth reject the Reapers. The Civilizations of this cycle have already been directed enough by the Reapers through use of their technology. Thanks, but no thanks. The fact that they already had this theme in the series is what makes the garbage ending so maddening.

 
Actually, the Catalyst has an active example of it already: Itself. If we assume it only has to be right once, then it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
 

No, because his premise has the word "always". He only has to be wrong once. So far, he's wrong about the current cycle. We neither need or want his "solution".
 
 
I don't know what you're talking about or how it relates to my post that you quoted. Maybe I'm missing something.
 
 
Yeah, it was a big plot hole that it doesn't care about Organics killing each other. I guess it didn't think they could wipe each other out entirely.

Except that, from it's point of view, it's already happened. All one needs to do is look out the window during the conversation to see it at work, or talk to Javik about it, there's two cycles of exactly what he's talking about, and how I wish I could have pointed that out.

[SagaX]

Bioware, please: Gameplay, history and multiplayer trailer... ¿WHEN?

[In Exile]

Probably because Mass Effect is about an ancient synthetic form of life who rebelled against their creators and subsequently have slaughtered hundreds of trillions of organic beings for reasons. Organic life has every right to exist, if you don't believe it does then pick refusal and let the cycle continue.

 

"Organic" life includes, for example, the bacteria that digest animal crap and the intestinal fauna responsible for farts. But somehow you don't see the Catalyst wax poetically about its aeon long drive to protect fart bacteria from extiction. Whoever wrote that ending completely failed to grasp every single interesting issue how we use AI and synthetic life as a narrative device to explore the human condition in fiction. 

 

That's what makes the whole thing so incredibly stupid. Obviously the Catalyst isn't out there saving the fart bacteria. What matters is thinking beings, who are sapient like us. But for "synthetics" to meaningfully wipe them out, they have to be thinking beings too. Maybe it's a different type of thought. But then we've either got a weird form of racism - only this kind of sapience has a right to exist, which basically takes us right back to ME3 morally condoning Space Nazis - or we've got a nonsense ending where its just using words it doesn't understand to make a point copied and pasted from another series (looking at you, original Deus Ex). 

[CarrionFowl]

Hi everyone!

 

Well, now that I've finally gotten off the Hype-train I boarded, I thought it would be a good opportunity to throw in my two-cents as well^^

 

Namely this: I am super-excited to get a new Mass Effect!

 

Sure, I heard all the complaints dozens, if not hundreds of times, about how we won't be Shepard, about how the Mako is back and how much it was hated the first time round, about how much the teaser looks like 'Generic Shooter #X' But honestly, I can't really get behind that. I loved my Shepard, she was badass^^ But her Trilogy ended and ended well. Even if your Shepard died (and given that the Extended Cut was only availabe AFTER release of the actual game, that was supposed to happen), that's no excuse to shun a new Protagonist. I've heard the same complaints before DA:I was released about how they wouldn't be able to play as Hawke. And now pretty much everyone loves their Inquisitor to bits and pieces. For me PERSONALLY (big emphasis there), it's completely fine to get a new protagonist. And (regardless of the fact that the N7 in the teaser is apparently NOT the protagonist) I didn't mind not seeing the face. Even if it WAS the protagonist and they'd shown the face, can you imagine the Shite-storm if someone disliked what they saw? I can just picture it: 'Oh, the hair is horrible!' (after which everyone will scream for a Hair-DLC^^), 'The nose looks horrible' and hundreds of other things I can't think of right now. Revealing a characters face too early (and it is still a long way to the release date) could be disastrous and potentially cause the forums to implode with the scandal of it all *gg*

 

Protagonist aside, I adored the Mako the moment I got it and I'm hyped that we get a new and (seemingly) improved model. One just has to learn how to keep the booted foot off the accellarator (unsure if speling is correct) and controlling that thing is absolutely do-able, if not entirely easy. Sure, it required a bit of effort and it WAS a fridge on rollerskates, but at least the Mako didn't give a flying fu about anything in it's way. It just ran over it. Get too close to a hip-high rock in the Hammerhead and it acts like you've just rammed a brick wall... I also liked the sound of the engine given in the trailer, it sounds... heavy. Like it could plow through a herd (pack, group, squad?) of charging Krogan and be completely fine afterwards. Not that I ever plowed down a couple of Krogan in the old Mako, but it simply feels that way.

 

Also, jetpacks... 'Nuff said. 

 

I also don't mind that it's set in the Andromeda Galaxy. Most of the sci-fi movies I've seen (with few exceptions, like Star Wars) take place in the Milky Way Galaxy, which is fine because we're from there, but I'd also like to see what another Galaxy would be like. I just feel (and this is another PERSONAL OPINION, so be warned) that the Milky Way Galaxy has been done to death and while I won't argue that its effin HUGE and has barely been explored (movie- and games-wise), it just feels unimaginative to have it set in our home Galaxy. Getting a new playground would be exciting, I imagine. 

 

So I won't complain, I won't wish for my Shep to come back, I'll just wait and watch the teaser until a new trailer gets released that maybe tells us more. Or maybe not, sometimes it's good to come at these things completely unbiased^^

 

If I offended anyone, I apologize, that was not my intent and I'll try to not get into any troll-fights (though I'm sure I'll be called a troll by whomever simply because I have nothing to complain about yet^^). Again, keep in mind that these were my personal opinions and everyone is allowed her (or his) own opinions. Though I'm told that if one kicks them hard enough, it doesn't matter how many you have *gg*

 

Regards,

CarrionFowl

[Mastone]

 

 

But likening anything to G'98 implies bad quality, which is a laughable implication at this point because you can't possibly know that. And given BioWare's track record, there's no reason to think this will be a disaster.  

 

I don't think Bioware has that good of a track record they basically make the same game all over again and each installment it's a lesser version