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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Yes, and therefore playing human made perfect sense for that story. However, with Andromeda, allowing that choice will work because everyone is going into a new galaxy.

Likewise, choice made sense in Origins as it allowed for the player to be the Warden, who could be one of any of the three major races in Thedas. Dragon Age 2, on the other hand, decided to tell the story of one particular person, who was human. So even if people didn't like that after playing Origins, it made sense for the story.






Witcher 3 where you play as a defined character and Fallout 4 where you play as a human? Or is choice not your focus?

Witcher 3 puts all elements that Dragon Age even Elder Scrolls lacks such as combat gameplay (better than Skyrim and DA:I) unique quests, and an massive open world (which DA:I didn't promise) into one without compromising the story and character development (and it is very well balanced RPG) and Fallout 4 I can choose either a male or female, I can choose my race as black, white, Asian, or brown man or a woman. I choose those two games as a prime example of how far RPGs can go and how they can make new ideas without have to create imbalance and do the impossible. So why not have diversity in game of playing different races without compromising the storyline of ME:A? BioWare has NO excuses as I have said many times before, they should open to new ideas and have a creative balance other than story line and characters, it can only go so far and it is getting tiresome of seeing the same repetitive stories and lackluster games while other games are doing better than them. It's like they want to stay the same and never change, that is one of my pet peeves of BioWare and other game developers are doing better than them, I want this game to be better than Mass Effect 3 I want this game to be the next game of the year of 2016, hell I want this game to be better than Fallout 4. I hope BioWare can learn from this if they want to stay on top.

[ZipZap2000]

That being said I feel no compulsion to finish the witcher 3.

But the Gwent mini game drives me onward.

[kalikilic]

Witcher 3 puts all elements that Dragon Age even Elder Scrolls lacks such as combat gameplay (better than Skyrim and DA:I) unique quests, and an massive open world (which DA:I didn't promise) into one without compromising the story and character development (and it is very well balanced RPG) and Fallout 4 I can choose either a male or female, I can choose my race as black, white, Asian, or brown man or a woman. I choose those two games as a prime example of how far RPGs can go and how they can make new ideas without have to create imbalance and do the impossible. So why not have diversity in game of playing different races without compromising the storyline of ME:A? BioWare has NO excuses as I have said many times before, they should open to new ideas and have a creative balance other than story line and characters, it can only go so far and it is getting tiresome of seeing the same repetitive stories and lackluster games while other games are doing better than them. It's like they want to stay the same and never change, that is one of my pet peeves of BioWare and other game developers are doing better than them, I want this game to be better than Mass Effect 3 I want this game to be the next game of the year of 2016, hell I want this game to be better than Fallout 4. I hope BioWare can learn from this if they want to stay on top.

Bioware has no excuse?

 

well, that's just not the direction they want to go. not with andromeda anyway. so good luck dealing with it.

 

I find it odd that, if its something the studio DOES NOT want to do, that is not "good enough" for fans to accept. 

 

You say that they "should open to new ideas"...so does ME:A not have new ideas in it? have you played ME:A as yet?

 

game takes place in andromeda, not the milky way. that's new aint it?

 

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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Bioware has no excuse?
 
well, that's just not the direction they want to go. not with andromeda anyway. so good luck dealing with it.
 
I find it odd that, if its something the studio DOES NOT want to do, that is not "good enough" for fans to accept. 
 
You say that they "should open to new ideas"...so does ME:A not have new ideas in it? have you played ME:A as yet?
 
game takes place in andromeda, not the milky way. that's new aint it?
 
k

OK I haven't played the game and I know it's under development, I'm saying that to give insights of things that they can improve and grow from and BioWare should start listening to their fans. And playing just human again and is just plain old boring, another N7 to travel to another galaxy really? Before the game is announced to E3 I've read articles of people wanted to play different races, but then they want to put a human there it seems to me that they're saying "No we don't care what people want or their ideas and we don't care." And they doing the same thing over again and not expanding their creativity to make their games better, but we'll see how ME:A has turned out when released and hope for the best.

[Mummy22kids]

OK I haven't played the game and I know it's under development, I'm saying that to give insights of things that they can improve and grow from and BioWare should start listening to their fans. And playing just human again and is just plain old boring, another N7 to travel to another galaxy really? Before the game is announced to E3 I've read articles of people wanted to play different races, but then they want to put a human there it seems to me that they're saying "No we don't care what people want or their ideas and we don't care." And they doing the same thing over again and not expanding their creativity to make their games better, but we'll see how ME:A has turned out when released and hope for the best.

 

And "people" wanted multiple races for DAI and when multiple races  were implemented "people" complained about the loss of backstories (which likely would have been included in a human only game). Then "people" complained that the stories between the different races weren't different enough, that there was no city elf, that the Qunari was Tal-Vashoth and not a part of the Qun, etc, etc.  I think BIo is wise to limit to human only.  Sure there will be complainers, but there always are.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

And "people" wanted multiple races for DAI and when multiple races  were implemented "people" complained about the loss of backstories (which likely would have been included in a human only game). Then "people" complained that the stories between the different races weren't different enough, that there was no city elf, that the Qunari was Tal-Vashoth and not a part of the Qun, etc, etc.  I think BIo is wise to limit to human only.  Sure there will be complainers, but there always are.

OK let me put it in a better way, they should set it up like DA:O for each race have different back stories and backgrounds to play them from the beginning, instead of what Inquisition failed to do. Experience to what it is like to be an asari, turian, krogan, or a drell, how life is like to be that person and having different perspectives if their culture, beliefs, history, and heratige. I think they done excellent job on that on Dragon Age series, and I think they should put the same thing on Mass Effect. If they want to do just human at least give me variety of different backgrounds (and better hairstyles), not just stuck to as an Alliance N7 soldier and that's it. I'm just saying playing different races fits better for a Mass Effect universe rather than playing just human and no one else.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And "people" wanted multiple races for DAI and when multiple races  were implemented "people" complained about the loss of backstories (which likely would have been included in a human only game). Then "people" complained that the stories between the different races weren't different enough, that there was no city elf, that the Qunari was Tal-Vashoth and not a part of the Qun, etc, etc.  I think BIo is wise to limit to human only.  Sure there will be complainers, but there always are.

It wouldn't have. If DAI was human-only, the Inquisitor was just going to have a few different backstories to choose from, similar to what they did with Shepard. When they added the other races, they even took some of the backstories they had for human and adjusted them for the different races, like for example making a human mercenary background become a qunari mercenary background. It wasn't going to be some magical thing if they stayed human-only.

 

Staying human-only with another human-centric story is one of the worst choices Bioware could have made for Mass Effect: Andromeda. 

[Iakus]

 

Staying human-only with another human-centric story is one of the worst choices Bioware could have made for Mass Effect: Andromeda. 

Honestly  I don't think they would even make the top ten.  There are far, far worse story choices they can make.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Honestly  I don't think they would even make the top ten.  There are far, far worse story choices they can make.

Like what? Also, let's stick to what is confirmed, so nothing from the rumors(like Cerberus returning, leaving during the Reaper War, etc) or just speculation(ignoring all choices from the Shepard Trilogy, getting to Andromeda in a way that goes against the lore, etc).

[KaiserShep]

Staying human-only with another human-centric story is one of the worst choices Bioware could have made for Mass Effect: Andromeda. 

 

In your opinion I suppose, but that seems like a mighty big exaggeration. Like, the protagonist being human and the story being human-centric in and of itself doesn't say much for the quality of the story, much as you might wish to believe otherwise. 

[AresKeith]

In your opinion I suppose, but that seems like a mighty big exaggeration. Like, the protagonist being human and the story being human-centric in and of itself doesn't say much for the quality of the story, much as you might wish to believe otherwise. 

 

Staying human-only with another human-centric story is one of the worst choices Bioware could have made for Mass Effect: Andromeda. 

 

From what I understand Bioware said it was a human story which doesn't automatically mean human-centric

[Lucca_de_Neon]

I'm just going to copy/paste something i wrote in another thread

-I have no problems with being a human. They created alien races with rich cultural, ideological and religious background and, no matter how much i think i know about them, i would always feel like i'm not the sharpest salarian or quarian on the ship. I enjoy socializing with these races, i do not envy them nor do i want to stick my human ways in asari diplomacy (just to say something). I certainly don't see it as a fail. I see it as a remarkable accomplishment. There is a reason why i want and can play an elf in DA. There's also a reason why i don't in the ME universe.

[ZipZap2000]

Staying human-only with another human-centric story is one of the worst choices Bioware could have made for Mass Effect: Andromeda.

Depends on Cerberus.

Dunno if a Turian/Quarian/krogan would be all that popular, id use them, they all have strengths and weaknesses in combat. But my biggest issue is it limits that race to certain roles and boxes in its attitudes and philosophies to be more human like anyway.

The asari are well educated sexy babes, turians are war like in every aspect of society, Krogan have a disease and their planets been nuked a few times, youd never even know what your quarian looked like, which doesn't leave much options for story.

Help the quarians immune system again, teach the turians real democracy; at the end of a gun, cure the krogan all over again and be an asari babe without a whole lot of hang ups in general.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

From what I understand Bioware said it was a human story which doesn't automatically mean human-centric

In your opinion I suppose, but that seems like a mighty big exaggeration. Like, the protagonist being human and the story being human-centric in and of itself doesn't say much for the quality of the story, much as you might wish to believe otherwise. 

Yeah, that N7 Day trailer that tells us nothing about the game other than about how great the human spirit is definitely doesn't suggest it will be human-centric. I'm sure all that ego stroking is just a coincidence, just like it was in Mass Effect 2 and 3. 

 

I'm just going to copy/paste something i wrote in another thread

-I have no problems with being a human. They created alien races with rich cultural, ideological and religious background and, no matter how much i think i know about them, i would always feel like i'm not the sharpest salarian or quarian on the ship. I enjoy socializing with these races, i do not envy them nor do i want to stick my human ways in asari diplomacy (just to say something). I certainly don't see it as a fail. I see it as a remarkable accomplishment. There is a reason why i want and can play an elf in DA. There's also a reason why i don't in the ME universe.

Good for you. Not everyone is like you. Why are you more important than all the people who wanted it?

[AresKeith]

 

Yeah, that N7 Day trailer that tells us nothing about the game other than about how great the human spirit is definitely doesn't suggest it will be human-centric. I'm sure all that ego stroking is just a coincidence, just like it was in Mass Effect 2 and 3. 

 

It's a trailer talking about how humans love to explore, if you see it as ego stroking then that's on you really

 

And if you wanna bring up ME2 and 3 then you should be pointing at the first ME because that's where it all started

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's a trailer talking about how humans love to explore, if you see it as ego stroking then that's on you really

 

And if you wanna bring up ME2 and 3 then you should be pointing at the first ME because that's where it all started

Mass Effect 1 at least was about humanity earning its place in the galaxy. We weren't the best thing since sliced bread in that game. Meanwhile come Mass Effect 2 and 3 and suddenly we are the perfect race and the only ones who can bring peace and harmony to the galaxy. 

[Lucca_de_Neon]

 

 

Good for you. Not everyone is like you. Why are you more important than all the people who wanted it?

 

 

 

Uhm, mind your tone, sis..I didn't claim that my opinion has more value than yours nor i intend to do it. So i'd appreciate if you share the same kindness and reply to my opinions, in which i also ALWAYS justify my way of thinking with reason, with something more that passive aggressive bs like that one you pulled. If that wasn't your intention and it just came out wrong, then i do apologise for saying this in this way..but I named some of the reasons why i think this way so, again, i'm not saying "i think this is great and you should deal with it", i'm saying "i'm cool with it because of this, this and this"..something that you are not doing. You just appeared out of nowhere claiming that i'm a tyrant xd... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Uhm, mind your tone, sis..I didn't claim that my opinion has more value than yours nor i intend to do it. So i'd appreciate if you share the same kindness and reply to my opinions, in which i also ALWAYS justify my way of thinking with reason, with something more that passive aggressive bs like that one you pulled. If that wasn't your intention and it just came out wrong, then i do apologise for saying this in this way..but I named some of the reasons why i think this way so, again, i'm not saying "i think this is great and you should deal with it", i'm saying "i'm cool with it because of this, this and this"..something that you are not doing. You just appeared out of nowhere claiming that i'm a tyrant xd... 

There was no tone in my response. I read your post as you using your single preference as an argument against a feature, so I was asking why that was more important than the multiple people who want it. The closest emotion in my post would be curiosity. That 'Good for you' was also a genuine good for you, as in I'm glad you will enjoy it. Sorry if it read as passive aggressive, that was not my intention. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

It's a trailer talking about how humans love to explore, if you see it as ego stroking then that's on you really
 
And if you wanna bring up ME2 and 3 then you should be pointing at the first ME because that's where it all started

It's a trailer talking about how humans love to explore, if you see it as ego stroking then that's on you really
 
And if you wanna bring up ME2 and 3 then you should be pointing at the first ME because that's where it all started

Well that is kind of a ego stroking about the teaser if you think about it.

[AresKeith]

Mass Effect 1 at least was about humanity earning its place in the galaxy. We weren't the best thing since sliced bread in that game. Meanwhile come Mass Effect 2 and 3 and suddenly we are the perfect race and the only ones who can bring peace and harmony to the galaxy. 

 

Ummm ME1 was all about humanity being special

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ummm ME1 was all about humanity being special

Where? I'm playing Mass Effect 1 right now and I don't see anything about humanity being better than the other races. Quite the opposite actually. In there we are the new kids on the block and have to earn everything. But in Mass Effect 2 we have the best genome and in Mass Effect 3 humanity is the only race in at least a billion years that can not only end the cycle but control the Reapers or use our essence to create everlasting peace between organics and synthetics. 

[Lucca_de_Neon]

There was no tone in my response. I read your post as you using your single preference as an argument against a feature, so I was asking why that was more important than the multiple people who want it. The closest emotion in my post would be curiosity. That 'Good for you' was also a genuine good for you, as in I'm glad you will enjoy it. Sorry if it read as passive aggressive, that was not my intention. 

No problem. I was already prepared to offer you an apology if it wasn't what it looked like, as i said ^^ and also: again, i'm not saying that my way of thinking is better or anything. I'm just saying that from my pov...it makes sense and that's it. Of course, many people would like to roleplay another race (or just play because krogans are cool and that's it) but i do not see many explanations as to why other than desire...and if so many people unleashed the rage against Bioware because Shep wasn't being Shep enough with the catalyst, imagine how it would be if you were a quarian in the hangar bay or a salarian just being salarian..would it be enough? wouldn't something feel like it's not quite right? we all agree that people are never happy with what they have, right? lol

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Where? I'm playing Mass Effect 1 right now and I don't see anything about humanity being better than the other races. Quite the opposite actually. In there we are the new kids on the block and have to earn everything. But in Mass Effect 2 we have the best genome and in Mass Effect 3 humanity is the only race in at least a billion years that can not only end the cycle but control the Reapers or use our essence to create everlasting peace between organics and synthetics.

" I'm human and I'm special! Bow down and kiss the rings biatch! I'm the **** around this motherfucka and don't you forget it!"

[AresKeith]

Where? I'm playing Mass Effect 1 right now and I don't see anything about humanity being better than the other races. Quite the opposite actually. In there we are the new kids on the block and have to earn everything. But in Mass Effect 2 we have the best genome and in Mass Effect 3 humanity is the only race in at least a billion years that can not only end the cycle but control the Reapers or use our essence to create everlasting peace between organics and synthetics. 

 

Let's see: coming up with more advanced tech just after the Mar discover (omni-gel etc)

 

Already being considered a seat on the council despite being new

 

Already getting their first human Spectre despite still being new

 

Being the main people leading the charge against Sovereign and the Geth to save the Citadel

 

Any complaint about ME2 and ME3 has about "humanity being special" ME1 is just as guilty for starting it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No problem. I was already prepared to offer you an apology if it wasn't what it looked like, as i said ^^ and also: again, i'm not saying that my way of thinking is better or anything. I'm just saying that from my pov...it makes sense and that's it. Of course, many people would like to roleplay another race (or just play because krogans are cool and that's it) but i do not see many explanations as to why other than desire...and if so many people unleashed the rage against Bioware because Shep wasn't being Shep enough with the catalyst, imagine how it would be if you were a quarian in the hangar bay or a salarian just being salarian..would it be enough? wouldn't something feel like it's not quite right? we all agree that people are never happy with what they have, right? lol

Well, one explanation I've seen is one that was used for Dragon Age or other games that had it, and that is it offers different perspectives. And different perspectives is a wonderful thing to have in roleplaying games because it allows the player to roleplay. To use Dragon Age as an example, the world became much more immersive and interesting and enjoyable because we saw it from the perspectives of an Elf and Dwarf and later a Qunari. Much more than if we were just a human since then we only see it from that single perspective over and over again. It's why with Dragon Age that fans pleaded for it back after Dragon Age 2 made it human-only, and how even now players want a different perspective for even the human which has always been a noble or a mage. Despite the criticisms of Hawke, one thing many liked was that they were different than the human Warden or human Inquisitor. 

 

With Mass Effect, the same thing applies. The world would be more immersive and interesting and enjoyable for many because it would let us see the universe from a different perspective. The returning players know the general mindset of the varying races, so it wouldn't be hard for them to slip into it. And even new players have shown to be able to do the same. But instead, the perspective has been extremely narrowed, both to the point of only being the human perspective, but again the perspective of a human N7 soldier. It's the exact same perspective as Shepard, which is disappointing since we have had three games of that and Bioware said we wouldn't be Shepard 2.0 and yet we have the exact same perspective as them. 

 

Will some people complain, absolutely. But that applies regardless because you can't appease everyone. Yet I don't see the logic in appeasing only to the players who want the human perspective when they would still have that with the other races being options.