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[JJ Likeaprayer]

YES!YES!!YES!!! I can't wait for ME-A!!!!! Mass Effect 3 is incomparable,and whatever BioWare do to the new game,I trust them with my full heart.After Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age:Origins (which are both INCOMPARABLE in gaming history),I can proudly and gratefully say I'm a forever fan for BioWare...Thank you soooooooooo much!

[Natureguy85]

YES!YES!!YES!!! I can't wait for ME-A!!!!! Mass Effect 3 is incomparable,and whatever BioWare do to the new game,I trust them with my full heart.After Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age:Origins (which are both INCOMPARABLE in gaming history),I can proudly and gratefully say I'm a forever fan for BioWare...Thank you soooooooooo much!

 

You're right; Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 3 are incomparable. I will contrast them though; Origins was great. ME3 was not.

[WeAreGeth]

I don't mean to derail the thread, but from reading these forums, I realized I might just be the ONE person on the whole internet who thought that ME3 was a master piece (particularly before EC). I mean, seriously, I just devoured the three games on a week-long binge and I think it was an amazing conclusion to the trilogy. Sure, there were a lot of things left open in the original endings, but that is not a bad thing. Every player experienced a different game and the "vague" ending compliments that by letting you believe what you want. Everyone has a different canon. Also, I think the major problem with EC, imo, was exactly because it took away the room we had to make our own headcanon. Plus, the whole Shepard surviving thing really kind of put me off. I loved my Shep, but there was only one way to end her story. She wasn't going to just retire somewhere (even though she said she wanted it) or whatever, and really, she really wanted to redeem herself for all the deaths that her actions caused. There was only one way that would happen, and that was a sacrifice in battle, that's why in my headcanon the Shepard died to save the galaxy, the story wouldn't be as significant, had she not.

I know, that was a kind of random rant.

Anyway, wrt to ME:A, I don't get what the fuss is all about either. There are numerous possibilities as to how and why we're going to Andromeda (although, looking at the N7 day video, it made me think that perhaps BW might be going with a variation of the Ark theory. Maybe the message by femshep was like idk, an address at the Ark's launch or w/e - also, that video made me cry. This game made me cry. Way to go!), and yet all i see is people bitching about it. "Oh, it can't be done", "Oh, Andromeda is a terrible idea" etc. Yeah, most people have good arguments for those points, but really, who cares? Also, going to Andromeda doesn't mean a total reboot or that the first game was useless at all! How the **** did ya'll get to that conclusion? Hell, as far as we know the game is set 500, 800, 1,000 years into the future. That wouldn't make the events of the previous games "useless" at all.

It's true, some endings (in particular the Synthesis), might be hard to work into Andromeda, but it's not really hard to integrate the other two (if you gave in and let the reapers extinct the races in the galaxy, you might as well stop playing ME, come on), and you don't even need to import saves for that (although that would be massively cool, like, having a picture/bust of your Shep on your ship and such, etc). I mean, the point is that the events of the Shepard trilogy probably happened long enough ago that they are mostly just a backdrop, you'd just see passing references...Like there being no Quarian NPCs (which, otoh, would mean not making story-essential Quarian NPCs) in my case, or a passing mention that "the Reapers are travelling to Andromeda, but they won't be here for another x years" or even that they can't go because they would be unable to communicate with each other or w/e. There are countless ways to make this work, and yet everyone is just like "oh, it is going to be awful", etc. I mean, giving feedback and suggestions to BW is good, but come on, if all you gon' do is ******, then you might as well stop.

[Mummy22kids]

I guess you haven't been around the BSN long.  Complaining is about anything/everything is pretty standard around here.  You are not the only person who enjoyed the ending but the people who didn't are the most vocal.  It does get a bit tiring hearing the same complaints rehashed over and over but you learn to filter out the noise after a while.

[Natureguy85]

I don't mean to derail the thread, but from reading these forums, I realized I might just be the ONE person on the whole internet who thought that ME3 was a master piece (particularly before EC). I mean, seriously, I just devoured the three games on a week-long binge and I think it was an amazing conclusion to the trilogy. Sure, there were a lot of things left open in the original endings, but that is not a bad thing. Every player experienced a different game and the "vague" ending compliments that by letting you believe what you want. Everyone has a different canon. Also, I think the major problem with EC, imo, was exactly because it took away the room we had to make our own headcanon. Plus, the whole Shepard surviving thing really kind of put me off. I loved my Shep, but there was only one way to end her story. She wasn't going to just retire somewhere (even though she said she wanted it) or whatever, and really, she really wanted to redeem herself for all the deaths that her actions caused. There was only one way that would happen, and that was a sacrifice in battle, that's why in my headcanon the Shepard died to save the galaxy, the story wouldn't be as significant, had she not.

 

I don't get this at all. The Catalyst undermines the plot of the first game. The second game didn't advance the series in the least bit. The ending drops the characters out of the picture and takes the main character out of a story about diversity, working together, and choice, and puts him on an island to decide the fate of the galaxy on his own. The ending wasn't vague; it was muddled.

 

 

 

 

I guess you haven't been around the BSN long.  Complaining is about anything/everything is pretty standard around here.  You are not the only person who enjoyed the ending but the people who didn't are the most vocal.  It does get a bit tiring hearing the same complaints rehashed over and over but you learn to filter out the noise after a while.

 

So does hearing non-arguments defending it.

[pdusen]

So does hearing non-arguments defending it.

 

No one is obligated to make an argument to justify why they like something.

[Natureguy85]

No one is obligated to make an argument to justify why they like something.

 

No one is obligated to do anything. What's your point? However, if one is going to whine about someone else's supposed whining, I'd hope they'd at least be able to counter some of the complaints. To be clear though, I was referring more to people who do attempt to defend it with utter nonsense. Liking something is one thing; telling me it's good is another.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

We will just wait and see what they can offer and hope for the best.

[Andrew Lucas]

You're right; Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 3 are incomparable. I will contrast them though; Origins was great. ME3 was not.

You're also right, ME3 was better.

/k

[Natureguy85]

You're also right, ME3 was better.

/k

 

Not by a long shot

[Gold Dragon]

You're also right, ME3 was better.

/k

 

 

Not by a long shot

 

Actually, It could.

 

It simply depends on which you like more: Swords & Sorcery or Futuristic Space saga.

[Natureguy85]

Actually, It could.

 

It simply depends on which you like more: Swords & Sorcery or Futuristic Space saga.

 

No, it doesn't. Origins is a better is a better game in a lot of ways having to do with how the games were designed. Now, that setting preference may determine which an individual enjoys more, but that is a different thing.

 

Edit: Actually I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. A lot of my issues with ME3 are due to it being the third game in an established trilogy, where Origins is the first game in its own franchise. I was also not giving ME3 credit for MP, which many enjoy, because DAO didn't have it. I played it for a time.

[Iakus]

No one is obligated to make an argument to justify why they like something.

But apparently they are obligated to belittle those who don't like something.

[Ajensis]

But apparently they are obligated to belittle those who don't like something.

 

Let's not pretend that the ending dislikers didn't do at least as much belittling as the other side.

 

And I put that in past tense because I'm hoping we've moved past all that.

[Andrew Lucas]

No, it doesn't. Origins is a better is a better game in a lot of ways having to do with how the games were designed. Now, that setting preference may determine which an individual enjoys more, but that is a different thing.

Edit: Actually I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. A lot of my issues with ME3 are due to it being the third game in an established trilogy, where Origins is the first game in its own franchise. I was also not giving ME3 credit for MP, which many enjoy, because DAO didn't have it. I played it for a time.

"Better" game, it sure is with it's long ass Fade and Deep Roads sections which later becomes a chore in consecutive playthroughs, not mentioning the hyper realistic "gift" system, or the steady combat, ridiculous side quest system "Go there, kill those guys" x6, and countless of game breaking glitches that are yet to be fixed.

And for the record, I love both, I'm playing Origins right now, but nowadays, I mostly care about the companions interactions and the ramifications of that, because the rest of the game aged badly, whereas ME3 still gives me a ton of fun and plays well.

Anyways, went off-topic I did, reply no more I will.

[Natureguy85]

"Better" game, it sure is with it's long ass Fade and Deep Roads sections which later becomes a chore in consecutive playthroughs, not mentioning the hyper realistic "gift" system, or the steady combat, ridiculous side quest system "Go there, kill those guys" x6, and countless of game breaking glitches that are yet to be fixed.

And for the record, I love both, I'm playing Origins right now, but nowadays, I mostly care about the companions interactions and the ramifications of that, because the rest of the game aged badly, whereas ME3 still gives me a ton of fun and plays well.

Anyways, went off-topic I did, reply no more I will.

 

And fighting Cerberus over and over again in ridiculous situations like Surkesh or the Citadel wasn't a chore? And Cerberus was better than the Reapers at least. Apparently you prefer "overhear conversation, probe planet" to "go kill those guys". I didn't get any game breaking bugs in Origins so I can't speak to that. Not to mention Origins being older.

 

As for character interactions, the gifts were silly, but you at last got a reaction and could shape your relationships somewhat. You can't really do that in ME outside of romances, which is a shame. ME1 set the stage to do just that but the sequels never followed up. And Origins gave a proper epilogue, where ME3 did not.

[ZipZap2000]

Let's not pretend that the ending dislikers didn't do at least as much belittling as the other side.

And I put that in past tense because I'm hoping we've moved past all that.

I agree with the top post but the bottom one might be debatable.

[Natureguy85]

Let's not pretend that the ending dislikers didn't do at least as much belittling as the other side.

 

I can't speak for others, but for my part it was due to being told I just didn't understand the ending.

[Ajensis]

I agree with the top post but the bottom one might be debatable.

 

Oh, definitely. Hence the hoping

 

I can't speak for others, but for my part it was due to being told I just didn't understand the ending.

 

Which is of course ridiculous, especially given how many people voiced their discontent. But there was a large amount of lashing out at those who liked the ending too, or even threads that just expressed their satisfaction with the game as a whole without ever mentioning the ending. It was very hard to be a BSN member and simply enjoy ME3 back in 2012 without multiple people immediately telling you that you were wrong and couldn't possibly derive satisfaction from it.

Belittling other people back for how you were treated doesn't accomplish much. In a perfect world we'd just accept differing viewpoints. At least it's incomparably better now than almost 4 years ago, so let's keep that up and keep moving in the right direction

Edit: and for the record, I don't recall seeing any such behaviour from you in this forum, so don't take this to mean I've got a beef with you.

[clst]

mass effect 3 was a great experience not everything was great but the game in the end was very good . the ending was the ending  every game as one so be it . i hope mass effect andromeda will be a mix between mass effect 3 and dragon age inquisition .

>> we wll have more costumize thing ( ship , armor  ect ect ) like it was on inquisition

>> inquisition is a standard  on what bioware game should be .

>>after they should copy on other game like witcher 3 for sidequest ( integreate the sidequest on the experience  ) not only fetch quest

 

we will see  and hope bioware listen to us  not every thing  but some of it  to make a great game .

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

mass effect 3 was a great experience not everything was great but the game in the end was very good . the ending was the ending  every game as one so be it . i hope mass effect andromeda will be a mix between mass effect 3 and dragon age inquisition .
>> we wll have more costumize thing ( ship , armor  ect ect ) like it was on inquisition
>> inquisition is a standard  on what bioware game should be .
>>after they should copy on other game like witcher 3 for sidequest ( integreate the sidequest on the experience  ) not only fetch quest
 
we will see  and hope bioware listen to us  not every thing  but some of it  to make a great game .

Hey that's all we can hope for.

[Pee Jae]

Hey, how 'bout that Andromeda? 

[Iakus]

Hey, how 'bout that Andromeda? 

 

How about that Andromeda?  How the heck we gonna get there?

[kalikilic]

OK I haven't played the game and I know it's under development, I'm saying that to give insights of things that they can improve and grow from and BioWare should start listening to their fans. And playing just human again and is just plain old boring, another N7 to travel to another galaxy really? Before the game is announced to E3 I've read articles of people wanted to play different races, but then they want to put a human there it seems to me that they're saying "No we don't care what people want or their ideas and we don't care." And they doing the same thing over again and not expanding their creativity to make their games better, but we'll see how ME:A has turned out when released and hope for the best.

1) Right now, its just YOU who thinks its boring playing as a human.

 

2) so think about this for a minute. gamers rallied in what made history as one of the biggest protests in gaming ever against the ME 3 endings. Bioware "changed" none of it and claimed "artistic integrity." fast forward to today. here "you" are saying that "you" are of the opinion that playing as a human is boring. If Bioware would "change" nothing for millions, do you think they will listen to "you" ?

 

3) finally you are correct. Bioware does not care what "we" want. They care what their "focus groups" want which gives them information that helps predict the sales of the game they are making. the sales are what they care for. if this did not become blatantly apparent when they made ME3 back in 2012 i cannot help you there.

 

also let me make this clear. Anyone can throw around the collective words like "we" and "people" and such. If you are not part of the focus groups or whatever groups "test the marketability of the game", you don't exist. If you however prefer to waste your time and continue to "call out" the game company who will never read these posts, you are free to do so. got it?

 

Generally, people hate on bioware games for specific things. they hardly hate the games as a whole. and anyone who hates everything about games such as ME3 or DA:I should not play games. that's how the business goes. it is simple and need not be complicated by petty arguments.

 

developers dont get everything right. but you dont hear people talk about the witcher 3's flaws. it doesnt mean they dont exist. so dont base your arguments on things that are not said. dont deify games just because you dont know their flaws and dont demonise games just because all you care to look at are their flaws.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

1) Right now, its just YOU who thinks its boring playing as a human.

2) so think about this for a minute. gamers rallied in what made history as one of the biggest protests in gaming ever against the ME 3 endings. Bioware "changed" none of it and claimed "artistic integrity." fast forward to today. here "you" are saying that "you" are of the opinion that playing as a human is boring. If Bioware would "change" nothing for millions, do you think they will listen to "you" ?

3) finally you are correct. Bioware does not care what "we" want. They care what their "focus groups" want which gives them information that helps predict the sales of the game they are making. the sales are what they care for. if this did not become blatantly apparent when they made ME3 back in 2012 i cannot help you there.

also let me make this clear. Anyone can throw around the collective words like "we" and "people" and such. If you are not part of the focus groups or whatever groups "test the marketability of the game", you don't exist. If you however prefer to waste your time and continue to "call out" the game company who will never read these posts, you are free to do so. got it?

Generally, people hate on bioware games for specific things. they hardly hate the games as a whole. and anyone who hates everything about games such as ME3 or DA:I should not play games. that's how the business goes. it is simple and need not be complicated by petty arguments.

developers dont get everything right. but you dont hear people talk about the witcher 3's flaws. it doesnt mean they dont exist. so dont base your arguments on things that are not said. dont deify games just because you dont know their flaws and dont demonise games just because all you care to look at are their flaws.

Dude you dont have to be hostile @ me because I said a dissenting opinion or to insult me just because I don't kiss their backside and suck it up. It's never about them, it's about the fans of what they suppose to cater to. And I never intentded for people to listen to and agreeing with "me" if that's what you saying, but don't be offended of just because of something I said, it is just my opinion. And I know that no developer and video game is perfect, I didn't even expect them all to be perfect either. It's the fact that BioWare wants to stay the same on every game they make and not trying to fix where they weak on such as their gameplay mechanics, fix their world maps and designs, improve their animations, and better side quests and missions to be more fun instead of making them a chore and boring like they did on DA: Inquisition for example, it comes to a point when it's tedious, repetitive, and boring. It just bothers me that they just want to remain the same on everything they do, and not work on their weaknesses and not looking at other games to learn from them to make them better than other games not mimic games. About Witcher 3 it got almost everything right, story, combat gameplay, and characters that really delivered to the RPG genre and CDPR learned from Skyrim to see what they can do to be better than that game. And I think they should invest in playable races to create diversity and freedom of choice other than just playing human all the time, if not on Andromeda maybe on the next ME game when we get the opportunity to play different races. I just want BioWare to do better cause I love their games and I have high hopes for them to make better games.