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[goishen]

I am registering my problems with ME and Bioware. This is a good thing if they mess up the next ME game and need to do a U turn. Negative comments are probably more useful than lap dogs. Seeing where you went wrong, gives you a chance to go back and fix things before you burn down the whole company. Yes men are no help when you need to sort things out.

 

 

I have my own problems with ME3, mainly that they started the war too early and I felt that it just wears on you by the end of the game.  Do you hear me going around constantly screaming about it?  No.  It's been said, move on.  Find a post that you like, and click on the little "Like this" button in the bottom right.   Don't dogpile.

[Bruno Hslaw]

I have my own problems with ME3, mainly that they started the war too early and I felt that it just wears on you by the end of the game.  Do you hear me going around constantly screaming about it?  No.  It's been said, move on.  Find a post that you like, and click on the little "Like this" button in the bottom right.   Don't dogpile.

Who put you in charge of me. Oh that's right no one. Why do you not just move on, Find posts you like and stop trash talking those you disagree with Now go tell your mummy some one told you straight.

[Malthier]

Who put you in charge of me. Oh that's right no one. Why do you not just move on, Find posts you like and stop trash talking those you disagree with Now go tell your mummy some one told you straight.

 

You want to talk straight? You're cluttering this thread with the same tired complaints about the ME3 ending that 100,000 people before you have already expressed and then trying to veil the whining under the mantra of constructive negative feedback. Problem being that everyone can see how you began this conversation with a doomsday prediction about how our choices wont ever matter.

 

that's not constructive, man. That's just you making stupid baseless predictions.

[Bruno Hslaw]

You want to talk straight? You're cluttering this thread with the same tired complaints about the ME3 ending that 100,000 people before you have already expressed and then trying to veil the whining under the mantra of constructive negative feedback. Problem being that everyone can see how you began this conversation with a doomsday prediction about how our choices wont ever matter.

 

that's not constructive, man. That's just you making stupid baseless predictions.

100000 cant all be wrong

 

Plus our choices 100% will not matter that is a fact, as it was for the ME trilogy. Get over it. They have not even implied it will for this new series of Me games, as a matter of fact.That is not a prediction that is a fact, based on the promises they made for ME1 that they broke.

[Malthier]

100000 cant all be wrong

 

sure they can. people are wrong all the time. but it doesn't matter because i'm not arguing about whether the ME3 ending were good or supported muh choices. the ME3 ending suckage is known. youd be offering fresher insight if you told us the colour of the sky.

 

 

 

Plus our choices 100% will not matter that is a fact, as it was for the ME trilogy. Get over it. They have not even implied it will for this new series of Me games, as a matter of fact.That is not a prediction that is a fact, based on the promises they made for ME1 that they broke.

 

 

that's the point. I am over it. you're the one mewling about it more than four years later.

[Bruno Hslaw]

sure they can. people are wrong all the time. but it doesn't matter because i'm not arguing about whether the ME3 ending were good or supported muh choices. the ME3 ending suckage is known. youd be offering fresher insight if you told us the colour of the sky.

 

 

 

that's the point. I am over it. you're the one mewling about it more than four years later.

I am simply pointing out to misguided people, who say they will matter in MEA, that based on past experience they will not matter. Try following the plot if possible. Some folk are so big a fan boy the truth hurts you even 4 years later Boo HOO Get over it the truth is not something you should cry about.

[Malthier]

I am simply pointing out to misguided people, who say they will matter in MEA, that based on past experience they will not matter. Try following the plot if possible. Some folk are so big a fan boy the truth hurts you even 4 years later Boo HOO Get over it the truth is not something you should cry about.

 

boyo, you've got a problem telling the difference between truth and your own speculation. the only sad thing here is that you're still trying to parrot everyone else's point back at them and actually thinking no one will notice.

[goishen]

I stopped arguing with him when he started his pedantic "You aren't the boss of me!" stuff.  Wow, really?  You're gonna go there?

[Tela_Vasir]

100000 cant all be wrong

 

Plus our choices 100% will not matter that is a fact, as it was for the ME trilogy. Get over it. They have not even implied it will for this new series of Me games, as a matter of fact.That is not a prediction that is a fact, based on the promises they made for ME1 that they broke.

 

You're boring everyone here with your attitude and you surely don't know anything about game development. So, do us a favor and stop whining about how bad MEA will be.   

[Draining Dragon]

100000 cant all be wrong

That's a fallacy. 100000 people most certainly can be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia...ntum_ad_populum

[Degrees1991]

Lol the ending again. What is this thread about just general talk?

Hope for the Hanar to be in this game heavy and not be a joke race. They have a beautiful culture.

[Scarlett]

I'm not sure if somebody posted this here, so... it's not a lot, and we already saw the character, but at least it's a very good resolution.

 

The pathfinder, by Herbert Lowis :

http://www.zbrushcen...sts-Recap/page4

 

Scroll a bit. He looks amazing

 

I can't wait to see more artworks (characters, studies, and backgrounds). I always love the artistc studies for video games, I hope they will publish an artbook.

[Bruno Hslaw]

You're boring everyone here with your attitude and you surely don't know anything about game development. So, do us a favor and stop whining about how bad MEA will be.   

I do know they have not promised jack about our decisions meaning anything in MEA, while they promised we would shape the original series with our decisions. That speaks volumes. They have not repeated the old failed promises for this game which means your decisions are not worth anything. You are boring in your lack of comprehension. 

[Bruno Hslaw]

That's a fallacy. 100000 people most certainly can be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia...ntum_ad_populum

Yes lilke you and your ilk are wrong totally agree with that.

[Ajensis]

Reminder to fellow forumites that if someone contributes nothing worthwhile, the best discourse is to just ignore them. The more you respond, the more they'll respond back, multiplying the amount of tiresome posts.

 

I'm not sure if somebody posted this here, so... it's not a lot, and we already saw the character, but at least it's a very good resolution.

 

It has been shared before in, I believe, the Twitter thread. Still, someone might've missed it, so never hurts to post it again

[Tela_Vasir]

 

I do know they have not promised jack about our decisions meaning anything in MEA, while they promised we would shape the original series with our decisions. That speaks volumes. They have not repeated the old failed promises for this game which means your decisions are not worth anything. You are boring in your lack of comprehension. 

 

We don't even know if it will be a trilogy. As a developer and from what I've heard, I know that they learned from the previous games. Mistakes happens (I've never seen a 100% success project, something always go wrong, from the lore to gameplay) and BioWare is full of good people, gamers at first. In our industry, expectations are pretty high and you're always trying to do your best, challenge yourself (and surely when you're developing a game for 4-6 years, with a lot of employees) so, while I was disappointed by ME's ending, I know MEA can and will most likely be a great game. Game development is far from being a fun process, that's something most customers don't even realize. So be a little more respectful and let them do their game based on their "vision". It's a creative process after all and if you don't like it, that's fine. Don't buy it.    

 

 

Will they make mistakes ? Probably, just like everyone else (Naughty Dog games aren't perfect either, key people've left the studio too). Will our choices matter ? We don't know yet, as we don't know if it will be a series. Plus, all they've talk about are the feelings : "exploration" etc. And that is a pretty good hint : they've become very cautious about the "choices debate". 

 

So stop believing you're a knight on his white horse, as you're merely speculating (should I say whining ?) and, as I said, you don't know anything about game development. 

 

[Bruno Hslaw]

We don't even know if it will be a trilogy. As a developer and from what I've heard, I know that they learned from the previous games. Mistakes happens (I've never seen a 100% success project, something always go wrong, from the lore to gameplay) and BioWare is full of good people, gamers at first. In our industry, expectations are pretty high and you're always trying to do your best, challenge yourself (and surely when you're developing a game for 4-6 years, with a lot of employees) so, while I was disappointed by ME's ending, I know MEA can and will most likely be a great game. Game development is far from being a fun process, that's something most customers don't even realize. So be a little more respectful and let them do their game based on their "vision". It's a creative process after all and if you don't like it, that's fine. Don't buy it.    

 

 

Will they make mistakes ? Probably, just like everyone else (Naughty Dog games aren't perfect either, key people've left the studio too). Will our choices matter ? We don't know yet, as we don't know if it will be a series. Plus, all they've talk about are the feelings : "exploration" etc. And that is a pretty good hint : they've become very cautious about the "choices debate". 

 

So stop believing you're a knight on his white horse, as you're merely speculating (should I say whining ?) and, as I said, you don't know anything about game development. 

 

Better to base speculation on a developers previous track record, than high hopes that are based on your own wants rather than reality. Even BW have made no promises for this game and your decisions having any worth.

[Tela_Vasir]

LOL.

 

Can't change a troll, I guess. Anyway...

 

 

The pathfinder, by Herbert Lowis :

http://www.zbrushcen...sts-Recap/page4

 

Scroll a bit. He looks amazing 

 

 

Indeed.

[Bruno Hslaw]

Gotta love folks who can not accept being wrong, crying troll. Well done.

[Natureguy85]

Exactly what is it about BSN that makes you think there's any lack of negative feedback that you need to make up for?

 

Eh, sometimes people want to throw in their own two cents, even if it's all been said before. It can be a good mental and creative exercise.

 

 

 

I have my own problems with ME3, mainly that they started the war too early and I felt that it just wears on you by the end of the game.  Do you hear me going around constantly screaming about it?  No.  It's been said, move on.  Find a post that you like, and click on the little "Like this" button in the bottom right.   Don't dogpile.

 

You're screaming about his posts though. Just scroll right on past

 

 

Lol the ending again. What is this thread about just general talk?

 

Probably, until new info comes out.

 

 

 

We don't even know if it will be a trilogy. As a developer and from what I've heard, I know that they learned from the previous games.

 

They didn't learn that Mac Walters shouldn't be involved. He is the director.

 

 

 

So be a little more respectful and let them do their game based on their "vision". It's a creative process after all and if you don't like it, that's fine. Don't buy it.    

 

Their visions for ME2 and ME3 were terrible, at least in the writing department.

[Tela_Vasir]

 

They didn't learn that Mac Walters shouldn't be involved. He is the director.

 

Mac Walters isn't the reason of ME mistakes. We're talking about a studio with at least 150 employees and we're talking about a AAA game.  When a team that size fails to deliver the "expected product", the entire team is responsible for that. Triple A games are so big and with tons of iteration that you almost can't even tell who's worked on that part of the game. 

 

And I think the team have learned a lot. Every "failed" project teaches us something and after 4 years of development, progress and setbacks... unless BioWare is full of foolish people (I don't think so), they've learned a lot. But they'll make other mistakes, just like everyone else.

 

 

Their visions for ME2 and ME3 were terrible, at least in the writing department.

 

I agree but as I said, they hopefully learned a thing or two.

[Natureguy85]

Mac Walters isn't the reason of ME mistakes. We're talking about a studio with at least 150 employees and we're talking about a AAA game.  When a team that size fails to deliver the "expected product", the entire team is responsible for that. Triple A games are so big and with tons of iteration that you almost can't even tell who's worked on that part of the game. 

 

And I think the team have learned a lot. Every "failed" project teaches us something and after 4 years of development, progress and setbacks... unless BioWare is full of foolish people (I don't think so), they've learned a lot. But they'll make other mistakes, just like everyone else.

 

 

I agree but as I said, they hopefully learned a thing or two.

 

The lead writer most certainly is the reason for writing mistakes. Especially when he and Casey Hudson locked themselves in a room with the ending and a joint.

 

I hope you're right about learning, but their latest games show a problematic trend. ME2, ME3, and DA2 were big steps down from the preceding games in their respective series, at least as far as the writing. I haven't played Inquisition but the mixed reviews don't speak well to that trend.

[Tela_Vasir]

Well... The lead writer ensures that everything is consistent but as the project starts to ramp up, he loses his "writing role". We don't know who wrotes the ending part. Patrick Weekes said it was Walters (and Hudson) but I honestly don't believe him,  as the writing process didn't change that much from 2008, is similar to other studios' workflow, and the LW has a similar role in almost every game company. They probably did the "review" process however (or at least a part of it), just like the rest of the writing team... 

 

From BioWare 2008 GDC conf' :

 

 

BioWare employs 26 writers in our Edmonton office, and we are a key part of the Design Team. The Lead Writer reports directly to the Lead Designers.

 

Though the projects usually begin with just the Lead Writer, the writing team starts to ramp up in pre-production, often adding another senior writer and eventually reaching a team size of 4-5 writers and an editor during full production.

 

Each writer will generally work on a specific area in the game, and usually only one writer will write a given character. Exceptions to this are the PC and the henchmen. However, even in this case there’s usually an owner for each of these characters who is responsible for reviewing all the writing and ensuring consistency.

 

We also to regular peer reviews of the areas and are our own worst critics.

[...]

 

Once we have the setting and the characters planned out, the writing begins in earnest.

 

As I mentioned before, we work in a team of writers. Responsibility is divided into areas of the game. On Mass Effect, that usually worked out to a world or planet (roughly 2-3 hours of gameplay). Within that area, we try to keep just one writer to allow for consistency. The Lead Writer or Managing Editor ensures that each area is consistent with the rest of the game, but we also have peer reviews to assist with this.

 

[...]

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I just pray & hope that they don't mess up. But we'll see what's coming up @ E3 this year.

[Scarlett]

From BioWare 2008 GDC conf' :

 

Thanks for quoting this, it's really interesting, I mean, to know better how a company works and products a video game. I'm always really curious to learn more about the process.

 

 

I just pray & hope that they don't mess up. But we'll see what's coming up @ E3 this year.

E3, not necessarily, it seems EA has its own convention this year... let me ask google again, ah yes, June 12th to June 14th (when E3 is June 14th to June 16h if I remember correctly).

Well anyways, June will be an interesting month