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#51
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Yeah, I'm not sure I understand the 'Milky Way or I'm out' mindset either.

 

I get the attachment to that setting, since I loved it too. But I also think people are overreacting a bit. There's a lot more to the Mass Effect universe than just the Citadel, Illium, or Omega. Also one game set elsewhere does not necessarily mean that the series will never return to Council or Terminus space.


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So the only thing you like about the Mass Effect series is the Milky Way setting? There's nothing more to the franchise?

I never said the MW was the only thing I liked about the ME series, there are a lot of things that define the ME the setting being among them. Moving to another galaxy is just completely unnecessary since a exploration style story can easily been done in the Milky way galaxy since the vast majority of it is unexplored.



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Man, you're telling me lol

 

 

All I did was post my distaste for Bioware's conceptual approach to the continuation of the series. Guess all the post-ME3 hostility was lying dormant as it seems to be coming out in full effect here.

 

I was talking about you.

 

Don't tell people to "contribute or hush up" when your OP contains absolutely nothing of value. What plot devices? What cliches? What are you even talking about?

 

Screw it, I'm just reporting this to be closed down.


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Yeah, let's write a new lore, make new races, new tech, new art only because you are butthurt....

 

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Except all of that can be done without moving to another galaxy as the vast majority of the the milky way is unexplored.



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Well here is how Tvtropes describes doing a tropeless tale. :P Thing is tropes are tools, they are neither good nor bad. One can use the tools poorly or use them baddly but that is more on the devoloper in using them, instead of the tools themselves. Every story has tropes, you can't have a tropeless tale.


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If anyone was wondering, smallpox originated in Andromeda. Mmm.



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Wow, there's some great action in this thread. Glad I came. This be good.

 

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Locations such as Omega and the Citadel are iconic to the franchise, then you have the mass relay's themselves and the various organizations in the galaxy they'll be gone for good. It'll mean that the ME series is going to lose some of the aspect that helped defined the franchise.

 

Honestly? That's a good thing.

 

This is probably set far in the future, so no one you knew from before will be still around (except Reaper AI Shepard from the Control ending).

 

Omega without Aria is just a pale shadow, it would make me sad. The Citadel... uh... chances are it's still in orbit over Earth. And humans are the dominating species in the galaxy.

 

Did I mention that the setting doesn't allow proper growth anymore? Do you want to re-hash all the old stuff or do you want new stories? Because I'd rather explore new planets and encounter new species instead of dealing with Council politics, mercs going pirate or Rachni/Genophage/Morning War shenanigans again. We already did that, time for something new.


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Except all of that can be done without moving to another galaxy as the vast majority of the the milky way is unexplored.

 

No, it can't.


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I never said the MW was the only thing I liked about the ME series, there are a lot of things that define the ME the setting being among them. Moving to another galaxy is just completely unnecessary since a exploration style story can easily been done in the Milky way galaxy since the vast majority of it is unexplored.

 

No it can't. They would have to choose a canon ending/galaxy state and then largely ignore every malleable variable to accommodate new games set in the Milky Way. ME3 royally screwed the series with it's exceptionally bad writing. Deal with it and move on.


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Ever since I played ME1 and realized that the Reapers had created a cycle of galactic extinction that was limited to a single galaxy, I have wondered about what could be happening in other galaxies, particularly M31 Andromeda, the closest spiral galaxy to the Milky Way.

 

Before ME3, I never believed that we would actually see Andromeda. After ME3, I thought it was a very unlikely possibility. But it's actually happening, and I'm excited.



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Yes they can, its just a matter of putting enough thought and effort into it.



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Moving to another galaxy is just completely unnecessary since a exploration style story can easily been done in the Milky way galaxy since the vast majority of it is unexplored.

 

Nope. How do you know that the vast majority of it is unexplored? Every time you scanned a planet in the previous games it told you that it had be dicovered, catalogued and often enough mined/settled/fought over centuries ago.

 

Also, if you want a new game that takes your existing canon into account, then it can not be set in the Milky Way or .. as I have mentioned before... you'd need 4 different games. Or if it is set 50.000 years in the future, then none of the current species would be in it.



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There's no hint of the actual plot and yet you already dislike it?

Cool cool.
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I never said the MW was the only thing I liked about the ME series, there are a lot of things that define the ME the setting being among them. Moving to another galaxy is just completely unnecessary since a exploration style story can easily been done in the Milky way galaxy since the vast majority of it is unexplored.

There's no way to avoid the galaxy spanning explosion except to get out of the galaxy.

Hell, if you picked synthesis depending on the timing you've basically got humans escaping an extinction level event back home.

Edit: Also depending on the timing the ending even works with refuse.

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No it can't. They would have to choose a canon ending/galaxy state and then largely ignore every malleable variable to accommodate new games set in the Milky Way. ME3 royally screwed the series with it's exceptionally bad writing. Deal with it and move on.

 

The concept of respecting choices has kind of become a golden calf.

 

It's being stretched far beyond any rational or practical interpretation.



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Yes they can, its just a matter of putting enough thought and effort into it.

 

So you say they can make a sequel where literally every race could be extinct or alive?

 

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The concept of respecting choices has kind of become a golden calf.

 

It's being stretched far beyond any rational interpretation.

 

BioWare told us our choices mattered. Are we supposed to assume they lied the hole time now that it's inconvenient for them to respect our choices?

And what about all of the variables that out choices impact in major ways, like the Krogan, Quarians and Reapers? They would just have to be ignored.



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I hear the The Witcher 3 doesn't respect divergent choices from The Witcher 2.

 

Nobody complained, game got a bunch of perfect scores.


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Nope. How do you know that the vast majority of it is unexplored? Every time you scanned a planet in the previous games it told you that it had be dicovered, catalogued and often enough mined/settled/fought over centuries ago.

 

 

The codex sums it up nicely

 

"There are between two and four hundred billion stars in the galaxy, and less than 1% of them have ever been visited or had their systems properly surveyed."

 

Suffice to stay there is still a lot left to explore in the Milky way galaxy.

 

Also, if you want a new game that takes your existing canon into account, then it can not be set in the Milky Way or .. as I have mentioned before... you'd need 4 different games. Or if it is set 50.000 years in the future, then none of the current species would be in it.

 

Except they don;t have to do any of that they just need to set if one or two centuries after the reaper war and base it of one of the endings.



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#74
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So you say they can make a sequel where literally every race could be extinct or alive?

Seeing as how the krogan are appearing in the next ME title they should have no problem finding a way to implement the other species in a similar way as well. If krogan coming along to another galaxy then they and other species easily still be around in the Milky way after the war. As I said before its just a matter of putting in the effort to come up with a way to impalement in a good manner.



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BioWare told us our choices mattered. Are we supposed to assume they lied the hole time now that it's inconvenient for them to respect our choices?

And what about all of the variables that out choices impact in major ways, like the Krogan, Quarians and Reapers? They would just have to be ignored.

 

No, they've been respected throughout the trilogy. You've seen that, you've done that.

 

Nothing prevents you from keeping your own version of what happened.

 

To expect these choices to be respected until the very end of time is... I don't know.