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[ZoliCs]

I hear the The Witcher 3 doesn't respect divergent choices from The Witcher 2.

 

Nobody complained, game got a bunch of perfect scores.

 

So?

[DaemionMoadrin]

Except they don;t have to do any of that they just need to set if one or two centuries after the reaper war and base it of one of the endings.

 

Yeah? That's so easy? What if I chose Control and the game tells me it was Destruction all along? Or how about Refusal? Two centuries later there are only Reapers mopping up the last stragglers and no space faring culture left.

 

I want you to tell all the ME fans that only one ending is canon and the rest can suck it. Shitstorm would be a complete understatement.

[Conal Pierse]

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[Sion1138]

So?

 

So it works. It can work, easily.

 

It's the same thing anyway.

 

If they did that, you'd be slightly pissed. The way they actually did it, a bunch of other people are slightly pissed.

[Drone223]

Yeah? That's so easy? What if I chose Control and the game tells me it was Destruction all along? Or how about Refusal? Two centuries later there are only Reapers mopping up the last stragglers and no space faring culture left.

 

I want you to tell all the ME fans that only one ending is canon and the rest can suck it. Shitstorm would be a complete understatement.

Ditching the galaxy for good (if that's the case) and moving to another one already rendering player choices pointless since it defeats the purpose of saving it in the first place.

[ZoliCs]

It basically boils down to setting vs choices. I don't remember Bioware advertising ME as a Milky Way exclusive game, they did say choices matter though...

[Drone223]

So it works.

 

It can work, easily.

Yep if the story is well crafted then I can live with a game not respecting past choices.

[dreamgazer]

No it can't. They would have to choose a canon ending/galaxy state and then largely ignore every malleable variable to accommodate new games set in the Milky Way. ME3 royally screwed the series with it's exceptionally bad writing. Deal with it and move on.

Quality of writing actually has nothing to do with it. Divergence of any kind, perfectly written or not, would have to be addressed or avoided in the sequel.

[ZoliCs]

So it works.

 

It can work, easily.

 

I heared they also don't let you customize your character either...Should that be a thing too?

 

Witcher is the Witcher, Mass Effect is Mass Efffect.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Ditching the galaxy for good (if that's the case) and moving to another one already rendering player choices pointless since it defeats the purpose of saving it in the first place.

 

So what?

 

At least it would be logical. Not like your ideas.

[Arcian]

So?

Ignoring ME3's sh!tty endings wouldn't be the end of the world for the fanbase. Quite literally the opposite, in fact.

[Steppenwolf]

Ditching the galaxy for good (if that's the case) and moving to another one already rendering player choices pointless since it defeats the purpose of saving it in the first place.

That makes zero sense. That's like saying Nolan's Batman trilogy is pointless because Ben Affleck is the new Batman.

[Broganisity]

Everyone uses tropes. They are a part of story telling. The problem is taking a fresh take on the trope, perhaps enforcing it in some ways or subverting it elsewhere.

[Drone223]

So what?

 

At least it would be logical. Not like your ideas.

No it wouldn't, the idea of seeing something interesting and well built being tossed away like rubbish will only be a huge disservice to the series.

[Sion1138]

I heared they also don't let you customize your character either...Should that be a thing too?

 

Witcher is the Witcher, Mass Effect is Mass Efffect.

 

That has nothing to do with the feasibility of continuing the story from a default state.

 

As I said, the only difference is that the tables would be turned between the fans.

 

People are pissed off about this, you would be pissed off about canon and that's why you argue against it.

 

Not because 'They can't do it' or anything of the sort.

[Spacepunk01]

Nope. How do you know that the vast majority of it is unexplored? Every time you scanned a planet in the previous games it told you that it had be dicovered, catalogued and often enough mined/settled/fought over centuries ago.

 

Also, if you want a new game that takes your existing canon into account, then it can not be set in the Milky Way or .. as I have mentioned before... you'd need 4 different games. Or if it is set 50.000 years in the future, then none of the current species would be in it.

 

How many star systems did we visit in the original trilogy? About 50, a 100? It doesn't really matter, because the Milky Way consists of more than 300 billion stars! 

[In Exile]

How many star systems did we visit in the original trilogy? About 50, a 100? It doesn't really matter, because the Milky Way consists of more than 300 billion stars!

None of that matters. Green explosion affected it.

[Han Shot First]

Tropes are not bad.  Originality is overrated.  ME:A will stand or fall on its own merits.

 

This.

 

Ever since TV Tropes gained in popularity people have been quick to cite examples of tropes in games as evidence that the games are objectively bad, even though the site itself warns that tropes are not necessarily bad. 

 

There are only so many different ways to tell a story and humanity has been doing it for at least tens of thousands of years. There is no such thing as a completely original story anymore and there likely hasn't been for millenia. Every game you've ever played, every film or TV show you've ever watched, and every work of fiction you've ever read...has elements that could get a mention on TV Tropes.

 

Besides there not being any information on the new game besides its setting, thus making the trope criticism both odd and premature, the OP is going to need something more substantial than 'tropes' if he/she intends for their criticism to be taken seriously. 

[Sion1138]

Hey, they made a canon Revan. They didn't respect my choices.

 

I didn't care.

 

They also made a canon Hawke. Huge 'shitstorm' about that no doubt.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nope. How do you know that the vast majority of it is unexplored? Every time you scanned a planet in the previous games it told you that it had be dicovered, catalogued and often enough mined/settled/fought over centuries ago.

Because the Codex tells us that less than 1% of the Milky Way has been explored by our cycle. 

[Drone223]

That makes zero sense. That's like saying Nolan's Batman trilogy is pointless because Ben Affleck is the new Batman.

Apples and oranges.

 

The milky way has the potential to tell a lot of stories, its just going to be a huge waste of that potential if Bioware decide to ditch it for good.

[Daralii]

None of that matters. Green explosion affected it.

Unless they went to Andromeda before the end of ME3, wouldn't the whole "Transmuting everything in the entire galaxy" thing mean they have to address synthesis regardless of setting? Refusal too for that matter.

[In Exile]

Unless they went to Andromeda before the end of ME3, wouldn't the whole "Transmuting everything in the entire galaxy" thing mean they have to address synthesis regardless of setting? Refusal too for that matter.

Why wouldn't we think that's exactly what they did? It's the most obvious solution to this mess, and the "N7" sign is clearly telling us humans in ME:A are contemporaries to Shepard.

[DuskWanderer]

It's a little early to be drawing conclusions like this. It's been, what, 24 hours since this has been revealed. 

 

I'll give BioWARE a chance. I have a very clear idea of what went right and wrong with the ME trilogy we already have. I'll judge for myself if Andromeda is worthy of play. I don't like the idea of going to a brand new galaxy, but I'm sure Andromeda was created with the knowledge that someone thought of t hat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why wouldn't we think that's exactly what they did? It's the most obvious solution to this mess, and the "N7" sign is clearly telling us humans in ME:A are contemporaries to Shepard.

Because there is no possible way we could make that trip minus a DEM if it was during the events of ME3.