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#101
ZoliCs

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That has nothing to do with the feasibility of continuing the story from a default state.

 

As I said, the only difference is that the tables would be turned between the fans.

 

People are pissed off about this, you would be pissed off about canon and that's why you argue against it.

 

Not because 'They can't do it' or anything of the sort.

 

It's about what was promised. Milky Way wasn't, choices mattering was.



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Because there is no possible way we could make that trip minus a DEM if it was during the events of ME3. 

 

Secret super-relay because. The Reapers created a "Get out of Milky Way free" card because.



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Secret super-relay because. The Reapers created a "Get out of Milky Way free" card because.

Those are Deus Ex Machinas(DEM). I said there was no way without using that plot device. 



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It's about what was promised. Milky Way wasn't, choices mattering was.

Bioware have already made certain choices canon such as Udina being councilor canon.



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Bioware have already made certain choices canon such as Udina being councilor canon.

 

Because Anderson stepped down. If you can find as easy a way to reconcile ME3's endings, let us know.


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Because there is no possible way we could make that trip minus a DEM if it was during the events of ME3. 

 

A DEM isn't needed.

 

The Reapers could make the trip in just over 200 years, without drive discharge or refueling. Having the Council races reverse engineer technology from one of the destroyed Reapers to find a way to eliminate the need for drive discharge or refueling, makes the trip doable even if they couldn't match the Reapers' speed.

 

It would be no more far-fetched than the galaxy reverse engineering Reaper tech to create Thanix weapons or reverse engineering 50,000 year old Prothean tech on Mars to master FTL. It also wouldn't be a DEM, because the ability already exists in-universe. A DEM would be the Reapers needing to drive discharge and refuel, but the Council races finding old Leviathan tech that eliminates the need for refueling or drive discharge, without such an ability ever being mentioned in the series before it was needed for the ark plot.


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It's about what was promised. Milky Way wasn't, choices mattering was.

 

Within the trilogy, yes. But as you are aware, the trilogy is over.

 

Look, my favorite game of all time is KotOR.

 

After KotOR, they made TOR and they pretty much canonized everything.

 

So, were my choices respected? I say yes, because I still remember them, and I know what I did in that story, and it's mine. I don't care if they say otherwise.

 

But I can still play TOR as something separate and if they made KotOR 3 based on canon, I would jump at it.



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Within the trilogy, yes. But as you are aware, the trilogy is over.

 

Quote them where they said only withing the trilogy.



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Yeah? That's so easy? What if I chose Control and the game tells me it was Destruction all along? Or how about Refusal? Two centuries later there are only Reapers mopping up the last stragglers and no space faring culture left.

Then that particular Shepard created a future that isn't much like the one we're playing in. What's the problem?

Edit: yeah, I get that a bunch of us would go bananas over this. I'm just asking for the rational basis.

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No it can't. They would have to choose a canon ending/galaxy state and then largely ignore every malleable variable to accommodate new games set in the Milky Way. ME3 royally screwed the series with it's exceptionally bad writing. Deal with it and move on.

Also, I think some are finding it difficult to understand Bioware now sees "Mass Effect" as an umbrella title over what appears to be an anthology series, rather then one continuous thread of story lines.  For all we know, the ending of Mass Effect Andromeda may change that galaxy forever as well, allowing for future Mass Effect games to move on to other galaxies.  Remember, the Mass Effect Universe is large.   



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Because Anderson stepped down. If you can find as easy a way to reconcile ME3's endings, let us know.

 

You can, in the same way you'd do for a wormhole.

 

Alternate timelines emerge due to some quirk of the Crucible discharge, yaddi, yadda...

 

I'm sure if I had nothing better to do I'd be able to come up with a coherent explanation based in highly theoretical physics after a bit of research.



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Unless they went to Andromeda before the end of ME3, wouldn't the whole "Transmuting everything in the entire galaxy" thing mean they have to address synthesis regardless of setting? Refusal too for that matter.


That's why most of us are betting that they left before.
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Quote them where they said only withing the trilogy.

 

Come on. That's just ridiculously unfair arguing.

 

What, is it supposed to be implied that they'll be preserved until the very end of time?

 

Quote the opposite.



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Because there is no possible way we could make that trip minus a DEM if it was during the events of ME3.


The whole series is based on nothing more than straight up fantasy magic. The protagonist found a fantasy magic sci-fi device that kicked off the plot is literally how the series got started.
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The whole series is based on nothing more than straight up fantasy magic. The protagonist found a fantasy magic sci-fi device that kicked off the plot is literally how the series got started.

 

Harsh criteria there.

 

The beacon is just a hard-drive with the capability to transmit information directly into the brain.

 

Not so far-fetched that.



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Harsh criteria there.

The beacon is just a hard-drive with the capability to transmit information directly into the brain.

Not so far-fetched that.

Into the brain of any organic sentient. Except not precisely, since you need some mystical mumbo-jumbo to be able to completely understand it.

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Quote the opposite.

 

I'm not obligated to quote anything. You said only within the trilogy. The fact is they advertised ME the way that choices matter. They didn't do the same with the Milky Way. So if they have to prioritize one it sure as hell should be what they advertised.


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#118
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Harsh criteria there.

The beacon is just a hard-drive with the capability to transmit information directly into the brain.

Not so far-fetched that.


It's as plausible as reviving Shepard from the dead in ME2, which is to say complete nonsense from the POV of IRL science.
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I'm not obligated to quote anything. You said only within the trilogy. The fact is they advertised ME the way that choices matter. They didn't do the same with the Milky Way. So if they have to prioritize one it sure as hell should be what they advertised.

 

Because that's totally going to go over well given the scale of the ending choices and the ME3 ending controversy? Bioware had enough import issues with ME2 and 3. 



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Harsh criteria there.

 

The beacon is just a hard-drive with the capability to transmit information directly into the brain.

 

Not so far-fetched that.

 

No, he's right. Mass Effect is far from sci-fi, it's space magic fantasy. Its laws change over the course of the three games, too.



#121
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Because that's totally going to go over well given the scale of the ending choices and the ME3 ending controversy? Bioware had enough import issues with ME2 and 3. 

 

They don't have to import anything. Just leave them behind. That's better than being overwritten.



#122
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They don't have to import anything. Just leave them behind. That's better than being overwritten.

 

Unless I'm misreading your post, how exactly do you plan to pull this off without a world state? You claimed that Bioware said with ME that "choices would matter". 



#123
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It's as plausible as reviving Shepard from the dead in ME2, which is to say complete nonsense from the POV of IRL science.

 

Not comparable.

 

The Lazarus project? Yeah, that's utter nonsense.

 

So what then, we need even more monumental galactic nonsense to hammer it home, eh?


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#124
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Man I ain't even mad. I don't really give a quad about tropes so long as the game is fun and I can repeat playthroughs multiple times and still find something new, while firing new weapons at new enemies and talking to more aliens. I've come to terms with the fact that the trilogy is dead, though I'm pleased that this isn't a prequel. 


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gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

 

seriously though what on earth are you even saying