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[dragonflight288]

How? Explain how it would work without addressing the trilogy and not **** everyone off.

 

By keeping to the rules set by the Mass Effect universe. Having Eezo, biotics, mass effect fields, but a different setting with different characters.

 

It would be no different from when Bioware made a Star Wars game that had absolutely nothing to do with any of the movies since they took place 4000 years before the movies. Just set it in the same universe with the same basic rules. The force, Jedi and Sith, intergalactic war, and lots of droids.

 

And they made one of the greatest RPGs of all time (in my opinion) with KOTOR, with some of my favorite characters from ANY game (HK-47!), and possibly the single biggest and most unexpected plot twist I've ever experienced in any game that wasn't Jade Empire. 

[Steppenwolf]

The canon endings are Destroy, COntrol, or Synthesis (and the "screw you, ending hater!" Refuse)
 
So the canon ending should be...non of the above.  THe Crucible does something entirely different from any of these things.  And the series continues from there.  Everyone starts out at the same point.

How is retconning the trilogy preferable to a new setting?
 
 

Like suddenly having the technology to travel to another galaxy isn't?

Wormhole.

[KaiserShep]

Like suddenly having the technology to travel to another galaxy isn't?

 

It's only sudden if you don't account for what is likely a huge time gap between the story of this game and the original trilogy. 

[Iakus]

It's only sudden if you don't account for what is likely a huge time gap between the story of this game and the original trilogy.

Given even the Reapers didn't have this level of technology that would have to be quite a time gap

[camphor]

Given even the Reapers didn't have this level of technology that would have to be quite a time gap

reapers did have the technoligy acually they could have made it in less then 300 years thats not opinion thats fact they dont have to discharge 

[In Exile]

Given even the Reapers didn't have this level of technology that would have to be quite a time gap

 

So? There's no reason to think that the Reapers are the pinnacle of anything technological in the universe. It's all space magic. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

reapers did have the technoligy acually they could have made it in less then 300 years thats not opinion thats fact they dont have to discharge 

Yeah. For all we know the 50,000 years between harvests of the Milky Way is the Reapers harvesting the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in our local galactic group. The time adds up. 

[Lady Artifice]

I think the central contention about this issue is whether we perceive traveling through a wormhole to be a cliche. It's a trope, for sure, but a trope is just a narrative device, and all stories rely on them. We absolutely can't tell stories without them. A lot of dead horse tropes/cliches happen to have something objectionable or flawed about them in the first place. Like the mustache twirling melodrama villain tying the damsel to the train tracks. Eventually, people started to wonder why so many antagonists are motivated to tie ladies to train tracks. Audiences matured, and now villains who do things just for the evulz are more few and far between, and they generally have to be much more convincing and scary to work (like Heath Ledger's Joker). 

 

At this point, wormholes are used in science fiction, and they don't necessarily hold up to real scientific scrutiny, but they are reasonable within a science fiction narrative, and they might be a necessary device to tell stories about intergalactic travel. 

 

And while I realize that a lot of people don't want them to be doing intergalactic travel in the first place when there's still so much of the Milky Way that we haven't explored, I really don't see how they could resolve the problems with the ME3 ending enough to do so. They made an error in judgement, and I don't think there's a way to fix it to the satisfaction of the majority. The writers are boxed in, so the only possibility available to them is to move away from the situation entirely. To move forward. 

[shepskisaac]

Given even the Reapers didn't have this level of technology that would have to be quite a time gap

It would disregard the point of swapping to a different galaxy anyway. If the expedition/ark leaves AFTER ME3 endings, we get exactly the same issues of potentially-green races, dead Krogans, Quarians etc as in the Milky Way.

 

In other words - no matter what, this has to be done before ME3 ends.

[Jorji Costava]

A few quick things here:

 

First of all, what exactly is this thread supposed to be about? Can't say I really know at this point.

 

Second, I just don't know what the big deal is with ME's use of familiar scifi tropes. IMO, ME1 was quite deliberate in cramming in as many such tropes into the game as humanly possible: There's the ancient advanced species that mysteriously disappeared, blue-skinned space babes, AI that rebels against its masters, corrupt futuristic corporations, the theme of humanity trying to prove itself on the galactic scene, etc. Basically, ME1 is Miller's Crossing, except with space ships and aliens instead of Depression-era gangsters.

 

Tropes aren't bad in and of themselves; they can be used to tremendous effect. If anyone on these boards felt differently, then I guess I don't know why they'd be here in the first place.

[Foxhound2121]

Yes, stop using that spaceship trope in my space games.

[Paulomedi]

Stupid thread is stupid.

 

Elaborate, OP, or let this thread die.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Stupid thread is stupid.

 

Elaborate, OP, or let this thread die.

 

The thread was about BioWare's hack writing before someone changed the title and mentioned tropes.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I find this vague attempt to demonize my fellow tropes personally offensive.