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[Serelir]

Excellent idea for a thread! I'd been thinking about how much I like some characters that other people hate, and how most well-written characters are ambiguous. My father once said, in one of our few conversations, that what we most dislike in others are the things we dislike about ourselves.

 

I'm just going to do DAI for now, because otherwise I'll write a book.

 

Least-liked characters:

 

Vivienne - When she descended the stairs like Ziggy Stardust, I thought, "This is going to be so much fun!" Needless to say, I was in for a MAJOR letdown. However, I admire her style and confidence, and her concern for the well-being of the empire. As long as I don't talk to her or have to hear her speak, everything is fine.

 

Sera - As much as I disagree with her methods and her contempt for culture and history, her complete disregard of the rampant racism against elves and her self-centered lack of empathy, I agree with her that income disparity and abuse of the poor are huge issues in Thedas, and I also enjoy pranks (but try to restrain myself). I like her room and her cabinet of curiosities, too.

 

Most-liked characters:

 

Varric - It's completely unfair how he displays his chest hair but doesn't allow me to pet it. Then again, I don't want to mess up the delicate "just friends" boundaries we have going. He's also been down in the dumps for this game, which is sad but understandable considering everything that's happened.

 

Cole - hard to find something to dislike about him - he's such an interesting character, especially if you know something about Buddhism, compassion and the spirits. If forced to pick something, I guess it's disappointing that he doesn't laugh at my jokes very often.

 

Solas - I felt hurt that he dissed my culture, but we talked about it later. I don't like it that he thinks he's smarter than I am, even if it might be true. My male elf is envious of his manly shoulders. Also, that ugly sweater needs to disappear in the wash.

 

Dorian - He hates nature, and I love it, but I understand what a strain it is keeping all those doodads and gewgaws shiny while you're out in the woods, not to mention the moustache wax. He made me change my gender just so I could romance him.

 

Iron Bull - it's difficult for me to think of anything I dislike about him. Maybe that I don't get a chance to explain my reasoning when he disapproves of my choices. I'm really not into those floppy pants. Maybe I dislike that I can't have a fun BDSM relationship with him and a romantic, lovey dovey relationship with someone else at the same time.

 

Cullen - He's lost his sting, and he's verging on Whitebread. If he gets puffy and takes up golf, it would just be too atrocious. At least he has his angsty drug addiction to give him depth. Also, can we get past all the d*mn kissing and go for it more than once???! That date was really cheap, too, and the dance was short. *sigh*

 

I hope they never read this. I wouldn't want to know what my friends hate about me.

[Korva]

The one I truly hate is Morrigan, and I honestly can't see a single redeeming thing about her. As for other characters I can't stand:

 

Iron Bull: Krem's with him. I think, or I hope, that left to his own devices, Bull would choose the Chargers in his personal mission.

Loghain: Helped free Ferelden from Orlais.

Oghren: The goodbye at the gates of Denerim and the epilogue slide in which he and Felsi name their kid for my Warden were actually quite touching.

Sera: She at least tries to help some of the people who are most commonly overlooked and abused.

Sten: Really hard to come up with something positive here. He ... played with a kitten once?

Vivienne: Style, intelligence and determination, even though the writers kind of fail to properly express these qualities.

 

I didn't play Awakening or DA2, or this list would likely be longer.

[BobtheMalodorousAlpaca]

Excellent idea for a thread! I'd been thinking about how much I like some characters that other people hate, and how most well-written characters are ambiguous. My father once said, in one of our few conversations, that what we most dislike in others are the things we dislike about ourselves.

 

I'm just going to do DAI for now, because otherwise I'll write a book.

 

Least-liked characters:

 

Vivienne - When she descended the stairs like Ziggy Stardust, I thought, "This is going to be so much fun!" Needless to say, I was in for a MAJOR letdown. However, I admire her style and confidence, and her concern for the well-being of the empire. As long as I don't talk to her or have to hear her speak, everything is fine.

 

Sera - As much as I disagree with her methods and her contempt for culture and history, I agree with her that income disparity and abuse of the poor are huge issues in Thedas, and I also enjoy pranks (but try to restrain myself). I like her room and her cabinet of curiosities, too.

 

Most-liked characters:

 

Varric - It's completely unfair how he displays his chest hair but doesn't allow me to pet it. Then again, I don't want to mess up the delicate "just friends" boundaries we have going. He's also been down in the dumps for this game, which is sad but understandable considering everything that's happened.

 

Solas - I felt hurt that he dissed my culture, but we talked about it later. I don't like it that he thinks he's smarter than I am, even if it might be true. My male elf is envious of his manly shoulders. Also, that ugly sweater needs to disappear in the wash.

 

Dorian - He hates nature, and I love it, but I understand what a strain it is keeping all those doodads and gewgaws shiny while you're out in the woods, not to mention the moustache wax. He made me change my gender just so I could romance him.

 

Iron Bull - it's difficult for me to think of anything I dislike about him. Maybe that I don't get a chance to explain my reasoning when he disapproves of my choices. I'm really not into those floppy pants. Maybe I dislike that I can't have a fun BDSM relationship with him and a romantic, lovey dovey relationship with someone else at the same time.

 

Cullen - He's lost his sting, and he's verging on Whitebread. If he gets puffy and takes up golf, it would just be too atrocious. At least he has his angsty drug addiction to give him depth. Also, can we get past all the d*mn kissing and go for it more than once???! That date was really cheap, too, and the dance was short. *sigh*

 

I hope they never read this. I wouldn't want to know what my friends hate about me.

 

I'm glad that you like the idea for this thread. I hoped that it could get people to question their views on characters slightly. Your father is a wise man; I dislike people who are too perfect, because I'm too perfect (I kid).

 

Don't be afraid to add your list of characteres from previous DA games. Some of what you said had me in stitches.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Vivienne is rude and condescending, but she's also loyal to anyone who can earn her respect and will stand up for what she believes in no matter who says otherwise.

[Carmen_Willow]

I really dislike Sera, but I love her witty plays-on-words.

I really like Solas, but I hate the fact that he doesn't trust me with the truth.

[duckley]

I am hard pressed to find anything I like about Iron Bull, Vivienne, or Blackwall. IMHO  Iron Bull is a weird wuss, Vivienne a arrogant drama queen, and Blackwall is a self-righteous lying whiner.

 

Sera is at least nothing more than who she says she is... I will give her that. I also dislike Josephine - as I find her silly and petty - however, I guess that is what you need in her role.

 

I also cannot find any redeeming qualities about the culture of Orlais - would love the mask fairy to pop by and take all their masks and pretentions away. Yeesh!

[Carmen_Willow]

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I also cannot find any redeeming qualities about the culture of Orlais - would love the mask fairy to pop by and take all their masks and pretentions away. Yeesh!

If we are going to have the mask fairy, can we have the hair fairy come and give us decent hair. No wonder they wear hats and masks, I'd hide those buzz cuts too!

[GGGenesis]

Who I don't like so much:
 

Sera - I like dirty humour. I can see the two of us being friends. But as an Inquisitor, she's a pain in the butt. I do love her VA and the delivery was great. I also admire her determination to support the 'little people'. And I think her fear of death just made her seem so...well it made sense. It made her less of a childish prankster and more fragile. 

Vivienne -  I do love her garments. Also, she's gorgeous. 

Clarel - at least she redeemed herself (and then threw me into the Fade).

Erimond - It takes guts to insult someone who just knocked you onto your butt.

 

Characters I really like:

 

Dorian - he's too perfect. But the only criticism I have is his hatred of rain. I love rain!
Solas - Corypheus

Leliana - looks like a bird of paradise with that eyeshadow
Cole - underbite for days

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 There are only four characters I dislike (or worse), so...

 

4.) Sten -- more complicated than what he appears to be on the surface.

 

3.) Alistair -- not badly-written, pretty realistic, interesting internal struggle.

 

2.) Terribl -- that I can call her Terribl. Also, I am supportive of her cause, even though I am inclined to believe what Marethari revealed in the end. I cannot stand her persona, but I can agree with her on lots of things.

 

1.) Anders -- has his moments: healing the destitute for nothing, saving one of your siblings in the Deep Roads, helping with Bartrand. Beyond these occasional showings, though, the guy is scum IMO.

 

 

Also, SolASS is one of my favorite characters, although I disagree with virtually everything he believes in.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Characters I dislike:

1. Alistair - He was fun to manipulate on my blood mage Amell, I guess.

2. Sera - She is pretty hilarious at times and I do appreciate her disdain for nobles and the like. And she gave me a war table operation for the jar of bees. Jar. Of. Bees.

3. Anders - He.. likes cats..? ....yea I got nothing

4. Isabela - She's really well-written and has a ton of depth compared to many others. All/almost all of her party banter with Aveline is pretty funny, too.

 

The only character I like (I only like about 3 characters across all games, though I don't necessarily dislike the rest) who does/says things I dislike - that I can think of atm - is Cole.

Stop violating peoples' minds, you creeper. Rummaging around in the darkest recesses of someone's mind and then projecting that bad/traumatizing stuff for everyone to hear is NOT cool. 

[Lazarillo]

The only character I like (I only like about 3 characters across all games, though I don't necessarily dislike the rest) who does/says things I dislike - that I can think of atm - is Cole.

Stop violating peoples' minds, you creeper. Rummaging around in the darkest recesses of someone's mind and then projecting that bad/traumatizing stuff for everyone to hear is NOT cool. 

 

He doesn't rummage around as much as he overhears.  Of course, he does then project.  But if you think the context in which spirits normally interact with "mortals",  that's pretty normal. The Fade is the place of dreams, and dreams are the stage on which your thoughts and feelings perform.  That hadn't actually occurred to me, either until I read your post, but if you think about what Cole talks about as if it would give form to a dream, suddenly the way he speaks and acts makes complete sense.

[DuskWanderer]

If I'm going to go with other characters outside of Inquisition...

 

Alistair - He needs a spine. More so than the thing with Goldanna

 

Morrigan - Unlike the other examples, this one was actually fixed. Unfortunately, it was with the slap Morrigan mod. I should not be penalized for doing quests!

 

Sten - Actually give me the opportunity to call out the Qun for it's BS, rather than being so agreeable

 

Carver - Even if there was a rivalry, give me some maturity. His friendship dialogue was great

 

Bethany - Needs some rivalry. She's too nice. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Varric

Cassandra assaulting him was completely called for.

Lying little ****.

[Deztyn]

I actually find him to be more of a Solas-supremacist, since he doesn't seem to think much of anyone besides himself most of the time. The more I play DAI, the more I don't like him. Seeing what happens in his arc will be most interesting.

 

Honestly, I'm not sure that Solas thinks too much of himself either. He just thinks everyone else is worse.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 As to the reverse (liked characters' disliked traits)...

 

 

Loghain: he really did make some pretty boneheaded/WTF-worthy decisions, like allying with Uldred.

 

Vivienne: I like her style -- arrogance, elitism and all -- but at times she really does lay that on too thick and rightly gets shown up for it.

 

Isabela: same as^ ... I like one of the main things she is about -- sex enthusiast -- but she lays that on too thick at times.

 

SolASS: only thing that truly bothers me about him is his approval -- the hyper-sensitive and contradictory nature of it.

 

Sera: on paper, I hate almost everything about her. Yet somehow the product was someone I liked/enjoyed. It's weird. Oh, here's one: does not respect Loghain.

 

Leliana: her politics are crazy and ignorant. I mean, when the hell did she become some credible authority on the mage issue? Also, Justinia's ghost was way too attached to her development in this game. Like, 3-4 dialogues with Leliana are about that wrinkly old hag whose voice was grating. Bleh.

 

Cole: yeah, his whole privacy-invasion thing is really scummy, even if he does not get that. But I love that insight into the other companions. Guilty pleasure.

 

Cullen: vastly over-simplified portrayal of recovery from drug addiction. (Inq: "No, Cullen. Don't do it." C: "... Okay!")

 

Josie: overly diplomatic/pacifist demeanor, fairly 1-D/bland.

 

Bethany: like^ ... too nice.

 

Blackwall: his efforts to reform himself are commendable but his naivete is just odd for a former military man.

 

Morrigan: overrated. In the big scheme of things, she is a nobody. Also, I did not find her humor that funny.

 

Dog (Origins): virtually never worth putting in the party over anybody that can actually speak sentences.

 

Cassandra: as stated above, too agreeable. An agreeableness that has turned her character rather dull to me. Transparent.

 

Iron Bull: character model is laughable -- huge body, with head smaller than individual pectoral muscles. Also not a fan of his frat boy-like persona.

 

Dorian: no teeth. He sees things he does not like, and his solution is: ... run away. It's not just the way that he fled his homeland, giving up the status he could have used to change things. When the Inquisitor tranquils the man Dorian once revered, he greatly disapproves, but when actually faced with the Inquisitor, he is terribly passive about it. I am just not seeing how Dorian is any hope for Tevinter. He is weak IMO.

 

Zevran: lied about lock-picking skill!! 

 

Oghren: approval is like a damn mine-field in DA:A.

 

Varric: ... nothing?? I honestly cannot find any real personal gripe with Varric. Nothing significant, anyway.

 

Shale: also nothing. Shale is perfect. 

[NorwegianPirate]

Vivienne: She is witty and I admire her confidence.

 

Sera: She's cute and funny and has a cool sense of style.

 

Cullen: He's very pretty, I suppose.

[roselavellan]

Vivienne: I like her... hmm... clothes.

 

Iron Bull: I like his dedication to his team.

[Serelir]

I also cannot find any redeeming qualities about the culture of Orlais - would love the mask fairy to pop by and take all their masks and pretentions away. Yeesh!

It just wouldn't be Orlais without all the folderol. It's a perfect contrast to doggy muddy-boots Ferelden.

[Giton]

The Inquisitor: I liked when Corypheus threw her.

[phyreblade74]

Let me see.

 

Anders from DA2.  He was perhaps the first character in that game I ever successfully rivaled, because he just irked me so much.  Even through my very first playthrough, where I thought maybe, just maybe I'd romance him (except the white-haired elf snagged my notice, sigh) ... but anyway.  Most of it was his constant, never-ending rants concerning the plight of mages everywhere.  Mind you, I went into DA2 convinced mages deserved freedom and the Circle was nothing more than a prison for people who didn't deserve to be treated so badly.  But Anders' constant harping on the issue made me start wondering -- I mean, "everywhere"?  Wynne never complained so much.  How could Anders speak for EVERY mage.  And if there was no Circle, then what solution was there, when everywhere my Hawke turned there was yet another blood mage or maddened apostate mage doing things that hurt people.  And THEN Anders blew up the Chantry!  I was so dumbfounded, so totally ticked off I sided with the Templars and never really forgave Anders.  But aside from his absolute craziness (I actually think he was seriously mentally ill and it just wore him down, mind you) -- I've always adored Anders' snarkiness and his complete focus on healing anyone and everyone he possibly could with no expectation of personal gain.

 

Merrill from DA2.  I love how cute Merrill is, seriously.  She's this adorable little fluff bunny of a character who seems to stumble along trying to figure out this strange world that is Kirkwall.  She's SO cute, that I started wondering if it was all some elaborate act at one point.  No one could be that much a ditz, right?  But I eventually accepted that was Merrill, and left it be.  But there's only one single playthrough where I didn't rival her and that was my first.  She just reminds me of my teenagers actually.  So completely convinced she knows better than everyone, that no one, no matter how much more experienced and knowledgeable than her, could possibly understand how SHE gets it.  As if any mage would be so foolish, to so utterly deny how such fanatical focus on putting that mirror back together again was itself bad juju.  Seriously, that's all that you think about, work on, don't even leave your little house for but putting the mirror back together, and you don't think all those people telling you to stop just might possibly be right?  Just maybe?  Just a little?  Still, she totally lost me when she called Feynriel a halfbreed.  I still can't help thinking of her as a ditzy teen, though, and I never really do much aside from scolding her.  Pitiful kid.  (This is also one of the reasons I was never able to romance her, btw)

 

Then there's Blackwall.  I wasn't sure how to approach Blackwall when I was considering him through all the game information being released prior to DAI's launch.  I liked the thought of seeing another Warden, always thought we needed more perspective on the Wardens aside from the brief look of them we see past our own youngling Wardens in Origins.  But Blackwall, when I finally met him, was utterly lackluster.  To be frank, I was so bored by him that the final twist was like, "Oh, well that explains why I got nothing really worthwhile from you when it comes to Warden lore and understanding.  Thanks for nothing!"  But that only ticked me off, too.  The actual reasoning behind his actions and what led him to do what he did only bothered me even more.  It's not that he lied, so much as what he actually did just ... I was like, "For gold?  You did it for friggin' money?"  Yea, I was peeved.  I basically left him in the stables then, and figured he was lucky for that much of a chance.  What I do like about him, though, is his amazing ability to look really awesome in every screenshot I take where he's in the group.  I don't know how he manages it, to be honest.

 

Those are the characters that managed to reach the point where I'd use the word "dislike".  But there is something to be said that they managed it, too.  Hey, they did effect my emotions, shrug.

[Incantrix]

My most hated: Morrigan.

 

I like..the winterpalace dress. That is it. 

 

[NoForgiveness]

Vivienne - i like some of her outfits... other then that i don't really have any room for anything other then hate, as far as she goes.

Solas - find him very boring. Though his twist is pretty freaking awesome.

Dorian - i like some of his jokes... i guess

[M-Taylor]

Origins -

 

Wynne: She's kind and compassionate, and I admire that in people. You can be as dickish as you like to her but she's still quite civil and consoles your character after certain events.

 

Oghren: Literally nothing, sorry dwarf-ie. I guess I like that I can tell him no to being a Warden.

 

DA2:

 

Sebastian: I like his faith and conviction. I think it's misplaced and I also think he's over zealous with it, but they're both hard things to follow so props to him for doing so.

 

Inquisition:

 

Iron Bull: I like his up front nature when dealing with people; you're either worth his time or you're not. It's as simple as that, and it's a trait that I think I possess and like other people to possess as well. Saves a lot of time on false pretenses.

 

 

Nice thread, quite tricky though. Like someone said, I only really 'dislike' a character if there's nothing really redeemable. Out of those four, as you can tell Oghren is my least favourite. The others are boarding dislike but there yet. Iron Bull's voice grates on me though because it sounds like exactly what it is; a weird forced 'foreign' accent, but undeniably American in origin. I don't know why they got Freddie, I really don't haha.

[berelinde]

Great idea for a thread!

 

Before DAI, the only thing I liked about Leliana was her hair... but DAI changed everything. I really, really appreciate the journey she makes in DAI. She starts out bitter and disillusioned after Justinia's death, but with patience (and a little coaching), she finds new meaning in her life. I actually enjoy talking to her now, and that means something coming from me.

 

Taken as a whole, I find Wynne intolerable... but I like how she treats Alistair. He desperately needs a mother figure in his life, and she does a good job of it.

 

On the other side of the balance sheet...

 

Blackwall is one of my favorite characters in DAI. I love how he never stops striving for redemption, but there are times when he sounds a bit preachy. It isn't a deal-breaker for me, but he could tone it down a bit.