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[CrutchCricket]

Hell, we've apparently crossed a 2.5 million light year gulf of dark space.  A feat beyond even the Reapers.  

 

What's a few thousand more light years compared to that space magic?  

Something you won't do =/= something you can't do.

 

This is the only way.

[Iakus]

Something you won't do =/= something you can't do.

 

This is the only way.

If the Reapers could do it, they would.

 

If only to "protect" the Milky Way from outside synthetics.

[NM_Che56]

So are we not needing Mass Relays to travel around the galaxy anymore? I can't see how there would be any Relays in Andromeda unless the Reapers built some there too. But the ship in the trailer seemed to manage just fine without a Relay.

 

Is Bioware just retconning the lore or something? The name of the game comes from what the Mass Relays do for god's sake. Are they really just throwing everything out the window and starting from scratch? I'm not going to believe that we somehow figured out how to replicate what the Mass Relays do in (at most) a couple hundred of years when the Reapers couldn't do it in millions of years.

new tech. New time.  

 

Did Bioware confirm anything? What was discovered? Where we are in terms of time? Remember that the relays were developed as a means of harvesting. They were spider webs that we would trip that would alert the spider that it's time to prey.

 

This tech is also used for more than just relays, incidentally.  So as long as some of the tech relies on mass effect fields, then the term sill has meaning.  relays were just one application. We'll still have biotics and other things.

[NM_Che56]

If the Reapers could do it, they would.

 

If only to "protect" the Milky Way from outside synthetics.

Where in the lore did we hear of "outside synthetics"?  they were designed to solve a problem.  What cause did they have to venture beyond the location of said problem (i.e. The Milky Way)?

[NM_Che56]

I had hope, once.

 

In 2012

And you're here...3 years and some change later.  If hope is gone, then why do you linger...?

[CrutchCricket]

Where in the lore did we hear of "outside synthetics"?  they were designed to solve a problem.  What cause did they have to venture beyond the location of said problem (i.e. The Milky Way)?

Exactly. As retarded at the holokid was, it still needed a defined scope, a range of operation.

 

That range was the Milky Way.

[Jester]

Exactly. Mass Relays would make the travel between them near instantaneous, solving the problem. 

The point of the new game is exploration.

Mass Relays are used to travel to systems, which are already known. 

 

Thus, they are useless when it comes to exploration. 

[In Exile]

Hell, we've apparently crossed a 2.5 million light year gulf of dark space. A feat beyond even the Reapers.

What's a few thousand more light years compared to that space magic?

And since - along with quantum mechanics -the reapers having discovered all possible technology and exhausting transportation is a fundamental feature of Mass Effect lore this is an issue.

Bioware could have avoided this if they specifically made the main (and hated) plot of the third game about how the reapers were so limited they couldn't even develop the technology to achieve their own purpose, but that ship sailed.

[AlanC9]

Bioware could have avoided this if they specifically made the main (and hated) plot of the third game about how the reapers were so limited they couldn't even develop the technology to achieve their own purpose, but that ship sailed.

That was actually the only redeeming feature of the Dark Energy plot.

[FlyingSquirrel]

A game about exploration set in one cluster... disappointing. You'd think they'd try and up the ante for this next game, wouldn't you?

 

Well, maybe the individual planets and/or their moons will all have more content associated with them. In ME1-3, the majority probably just have a description for you to read, with at most one main mission and one side mission per cluster along with some resources to recover. If a single cluster has, say, 5 stars, each with 6-7 planets that are either solid or have habitable moons, that's enough for 30-35 missions without visiting any planet more than once.

[azarhal]

I thought the Reapers wanted people to advance down a certain path.

Population control, perhaps... ?

 

Technological evolution control, not population control.

[Catastrophy]

1/10 for trying.

[Nitrocuban]

Um, they could just add blue LEDs to the Stargates Mass Relays in Andromeda, right?

[Wayning_Star]

I just thought of something? I  wonder if the Leviathan have turned all reaper yet, OR not around at all. They'd have to be some where or the human culture wouldn't be able to be there for the show. So that 'could' mean it's all so far in the future that no one even knows anymore of their cosmic influences?  Nah, record keeping was too good for that, so... ffffffffffizzbot..

[DextroDNA]

1/10 for trying.

Wat?

[Spacepunk01]

Where in the lore did we hear of "outside synthetics"?  they were designed to solve a problem.  What cause did they have to venture beyond the location of said problem (i.e. The Milky Way)?

 

The Reapers were hyper-advanced machines. AGI (artificial general intelligence) as we know it will always look for ways to optimize its efficiency and thereby increase the chances of success. The Reapers weren't contained to the Milky Way. They had a mandate to preserve organic life. Traveling to Andromeda to expand their operations would only make sense. The more crop fields they have access to, the greater the chance for success when the harvest comes along.

 

The Reapers were so advanced that they could've made the journey to Andromeda millions of years before the events of Mass Effect. This would've expanded their operations and increased the harvesting potential. There is no way that a hyper-advances intelligence would neglect this option.

[CrutchCricket]

The Reapers were hyper-advanced machines. AGI (artificial general intelligence) as we know it will always look for ways to optimize its efficiency and thereby increase the chances of success. The Reapers weren't contained to the Milky Way. They had a mandate to preserve organic life. Traveling to Andromeda to expand their operations would only make sense. The more crop fields they have access to, the greater the chance for success when the harvest comes along.

 

The Reapers were so advanced that they could've made the journey to Andromeda millions of years before the events of Mass Effect. This would've expanded their operations and increased the harvesting potential. There is no way that a hyper-advances intelligence would neglect this option.

Again, even a mandate as dumb as the holokid's needs to have a defined scope. "Preserve life everywhere" is nonsensical, even more so than what we currently have.

 

The Leviathans would have no reason to assume (or care about) life in other galaxies. "Dead thralls give no tribute"- well neither do hypothetical thralls you can't get to that might not even exist.

[Wayning_Star]

the leviathan think in absolutes so there would be no 'hypothetical' thralls. They even made Shepard into a thrall. He/She didn't know it of course, just the way it works with an apex race...

[Dubozz]

We have space magic. We don't need anything else.

[CrutchCricket]

the leviathan think in absolutes so there would be no 'hypothetical' thralls. They even made Shepard into a thrall. He/She didn't know it of course, just the way it works with an apex race...

They "absolutely" have nothing to do with other galaxies, or what life may or may not be there.

 

And I don't think thrall means what you think it means. Except for when they assume direct control, lesser organics are not affected by Leviathans. Like, at all. Unlike indoctrination, there's no lasting effect.

[MoonblaDAI]

I've never believed the ark theory and never will, it's nonsensical to me. Why are we going to colonise another galaxy when we have one we haven't explored 99% of and would be easier to explore than a whole new galaxy?

I'm assuming that when you talk about "we" you're talking about your Shepard and his peers as human in the context of the ME story. Therefore, regardless of what ending you choose most of the Milky Way is in ruins from the Reaper's harvesting. Even if "we" haven't explored 99% of the galaxy around the timeline of ME, the safest assumption is that most of it should have been razed to the ground and would make sense (if the technology to travel there is available) to scout a new Galaxy untouched by the Reapers.

[Iakus]

And you're here...3 years and some change later.  If hope is gone, then why do you linger...?

Dragon Age, the 3rd IP.

 

There's some threads in Off-topic that are interesting.

 

And I like to still point and laugh at what Mass Effect has become.

[Iakus]

Exactly. As retarded at the holokid was, it still needed a defined scope, a range of operation.

 

That range was the Milky Way.

 

 

"To solve this problem we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost.

 

The scope is not limited to the galaxy.  It's all life.

[Yggdrasil]

I don't think it's a given that the Reapers would want to travel to another galaxy just because they were able.  They had massive resources but not infinite resources.  My impression is that synthetic intelligence is rigid and limited by a lack of creative inspiration or ambition.  They have a certain parameter and scope for their function, so I don't see them as having any reason to branch out into the next galaxy, whether or not the technology exists.

[CrutchCricket]

The scope is not limited to the galaxy.  It's all life.

See above, where that doesn't make any goddamn sense.