Do people want them to try and canonize an ending? Or try to work with the mess that was ME3's finale?
This is better. Fresh characters, setting with the same familiar races and universe we love. This is actually exactly what I hoped for. Basically a reboot without being a reboot
From what I've seen they want to stay in the Milky Way to tell more stories there. The problem with this is they have to canonize an ending, as you've observed.
Do people want them to try and canonize an ending? Or try to work with the mess that was ME3's finale?
This is better. Fresh characters, setting with the same familiar races and universe we love. This is actually exactly what I hoped for. Basically a reboot without being a reboot
Ummm..no. Different galaxy, no faces we know and love, no familiar setting, no home planet, nothing. Rather pointless, really.
No. Would you be surprised if I said I was religious myself?
I'm saying a religion based on Shepard is stupid. It shows me these people aren't engaged in critical thought. There's little basis for it. Except maybe one case, when you ally Geth and Quarians (and maybe choose Synthesis later). Garrus himself calls you saint-like after that.
Low EMS Destroy is screwed... and the Normandy itself is stranded. If anyone is alive at all. Humans probably wouldn't be around much for sure.
So you are saying that new religions means you're stupid then? That religions or beliefs that aren't your own, that are more modern than yours, means you're stupid? It means you don't engage in "critical thought" and that your religion must have a basis to it other than a "little" amount?
And you consider saving the galaxy to be "little basis", yes?
Also low EMS Destroy had Hackett speaking and a canon that showed the galaxy will rebuild. As you can see, even it was nowhere near your headcanon state.
Okay, I see what you're all saying. What I'm saying is that the reach of the whichever ending was selected might not effect a distant galaxy the same way that it did the Milky Way. They might be using ancient, dormant Mass Relays this time and jumpstarting them, or they might have just managed to recreate a Mass Relay for the first time in ever, after centuries of trying. It would still be technology taken from billion+ year old space Cthulu.
The explanation that the story provides might be perfectly reasonable in context. Of course it's not going to be hard science or hold water against careful scrutiny, but that's been the way of this technology from the beginning. It's always been space magic, so that's probably what we should expect this time around as well.
I've been assuming that traces of inactive Reaper tech would linger, even if they themselves are destroyed.
i think the main issue is that Mass Effect lore started strong with the first game, started to crumble with 2 to streamline it into an action game, then by 3 it was a whithering husk full of (plot) holes that made no logical sense, and this upcoming game looks to be even worse in that regard.
No. Would you be surprised if I said I was religious myself?
I'm saying a religion based on Shepard is stupid. It shows me these people aren't engaged in critical thought. There's little basis for it. Except maybe one case, when you ally Geth and Quarians (and maybe choose Synthesis later). Garrus himself calls you saint-like after that.
Low EMS Destroy is screwed... and the Normandy itself is stranded. If anyone is alive at all. Humans probably wouldn't be around much for sure.
The idea is Shepard became legendary....but it doesn't make sense because this is a time where there would be audio/video records of Shepard. So he wouldn't have become THAT type of legendary, unless all of galactic civilization was reset to the stone age following ME3, losing all records and technology, which just raises even MORE questions of how they became space worthy again, in the exact same manner, minus the tech they used to do it the first time.
and yeah, most humans were wiped out, and we don't have the advantages of Asari or Krogan to make up for it. Not just Earth's population, but between harvesting in 2, and obviously they would be targeting human colonies as a priority throughout 3.
Someone who calls a mere man or a woman "The Shepard" IS stupid. Especially in my case.. when Shepard was basically just a soldier, with really bad social skills. And much worse. They weren't listening to anything about me at all.
If he's indicative of their culture, then they're probably failing at having any institutions that champion critical thinking on these remarkable levels you wish to give to them so quickly.
As for the rest, that's how civilization develops. People rely on competitive behavior and hunting at their most basic. Then move on to agriculture and building communities (and in turn, housing said communities..which takes construction and developing the necessary stone, wood, and metal working skills along the way). And so and so on forth. This isn't headcanon. It's just anthropology. You can't jump to godlike levels when you start off with basically nothing.
I'm totally willing to hear things out.. It's why I'm talking to you. But I can't control how my mind brainstorms how these situations play out. To quote Lewis Black... "..... I have 'thoughts'".
When I take the worst case scenario into account --- and then bring them to the point where they look like people in that new trailer -- then I have to guess it's been at least thousands of years since ME3. Not hundreds for sure.
I suppose....one possible handwave explanation is that the future civilizations drew inspiration from the remnants of Council Space galactic society, much in the same way they drew from (what they thought were) Prothean ruins. As in, they DID start from the ground up, but leapfrogged after finding ancient tech, only in this case, the "ancient tech" is that of the original trilogy, rather than prothean/reaper stuff like before. This would kinda explain why there's a random N7 symbol (They don't understand the meaning), and why everything generally looks familiar, despite the supposed time gap.
seriously though why/how is there a Carnifax?
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So you are saying that new religions means you're stupid then? That religions or beliefs that aren't your own, that are more modern than yours, means you're stupid? It means you don't engage in "critical thought" and that your religion must have a basis to it other than a "little" amount?
And you consider saving the galaxy to be "little basis", yes?
Also low EMS Destroy had Hackett speaking and a canon that showed the galaxy will rebuild. As you can see, even it was nowhere near your headcanon state.
I'm hoping this is a rhetorical question... and you're just being funny.
You just compared Shepard's video game cult to reality. And you also assumed that I don't criticize my own beliefs, for that matter. As if I'm not as harsh about it. Like my thoughts completely black out, when it comes to only me. Do I really turn you off so much... that you completely turned me into some petty douchebag. Come on, dude. 
Just ask me if I do that. Don't assume it.
Anyways. We know Shepard's story from scratch. We live it. It wasn't even played like a religious story. It's just a shooter character, for godsakes (no pun intended). We experience it all firsthand. How do you expect me to take this?
So you are saying that new religions means you're stupid then? That religions or beliefs that aren't your own, that are more modern than yours, means you're stupid? It means you don't engage in "critical thought" and that your religion must have a basis to it other than a "little" amount?
And you consider saving the galaxy to be "little basis", yes?
Also low EMS Destroy had Hackett speaking and a canon that showed the galaxy will rebuild. As you can see, even it was nowhere near your headcanon state.
you aren't thinking this through.
The religion doesn't make sense. This isn't like Hanar who don't have actual records of protheans. There's SURVEILLANCE of shepard. There's no room for myth.
also just saying the galaxy will rebuild is a problem when there's no feasible way for it to happen. This is YOUR headcanon at this point.
From what I've seen they want to stay in the Milky Way to tell more stories there. The problem with this is they have to canonize an ending, as you've observed.
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Here's what I don't get. Everything in the milky way would obviously be made up. None of the stuff we encountere reflects reality beyond tangentially maybe being in its IRL position.
So really want people want is the Citadel + all the species home worlds + for them to have large populations we can meet.
Yeah, it's not like we're leaving the real Milky Way. It's just a fictional one. But it was cool anyways. It's an attachment to the general mythos and lore the trilogy was founded on.
What this new game seems to say is that Mass Effect is founded on something more abstract... like game mechanics. The "exploration" is in the spirit of Mass Effect. The Mako. And then it's a nod to a symbol: N7.
The difference with the complainers is that we saw Mass Effect as more than exploration and the Mako and N7. What else there to anchor it all to the series?
I'm hoping this is a rhetorical question... and you're just being funny.
You just compared Shepard's video game cult to reality. And you also assumed that I don't criticize my own beliefs, for that matter. As if I'm not as harsh about it. Like my thoughts completely black out, when it comes to only me. Do I really turn you off so much... that you completely turned me into some petty douchebag. Come on, dude.
Just ask me if I do that. Don't assume it.
Anyways. We know Shepard's story from scratch. We live it. It wasn't even played like a religious story. It's just a shooter character, for godsakes (no pun intended). We experience it all firsthand. How do you expect me to take this?
Ah no it wasn't, you're being unclear on what you're actually saying, I want to fully understand what point your'e trying to make. By the looks of it you're saying that new religions means a civilisation is stupid and doesn't engage in "critical thought". That it's not capable for a civilisation that has such beliefs to create advanced technology, you even straight up emphasised "stupid".
So could you answer the questions? I want to see if this apparent 'new religion or beliefs = stupid civilisation' insinutation is correct.
you aren't thinking this through.
The religion doesn't make sense. This isn't like Hanar who don't have actual records of protheans. There's SURVEILLANCE of shepard. There's no room for myth.
also just saying the galaxy will rebuild is a problem when there's no feasible way for it to happen. This is YOUR headcanon at this point.
Well Jediism is the 4th largest religion in the UK, it's even protected under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act. What is your opinion on that? Is that religion somehow not a religion?
For your second part, say the actual canon goes "The galaxy rebuilt after destroy", like it suggests at the end of Destroy, what then? Will you accept canon?
This is starting to remind me of that Ed Wood movie. They're just winging it..
Considering ME2 bears striking similarities to Plan 9 From Outer Space, wouldn't this just be continuing that legacy?
Ah no it wasn't, you're being unclear on what you're actually saying, I want to fully understand what point your'e trying to make. By the looks of it you're saying that new religions means a civilisation is stupid and doesn't engage in "critical thought". That it's not capable for a civilisation that has such beliefs to create advanced technology, you even straight up emphasised "stupid".
So could you answer the questions? I want to see if this apparent 'new religion or beliefs = stupid civilisation' insinutation is correct.
Well Jediism is the 4th largest religion in the UK, it's even protected under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act. What is your opinion on that? Is that religion somehow not a religion?
For your second part, say the actual canon goes "The galaxy rebuilt after destroy", like it suggests at the end of Destroy, what then? Will you accept canon?
Playing jedi isn't a real religion, that's just star wars fanboys taking things too far when playing pretend.
Crap I could totally make a real life Quarian based religion, and get it approved by the same act, but that doesn't make it any less pretend, and a mockery of true beliefs.
But going by the point your'e getting at, we could have a Shepard inspired insane CULT.
On second point, Not when the "canon" is full of plot holes that contradict itself, which is where ALL these issues and complaints are coming from.
"all we have are legends about the Shepard"
brace yourselves for that line
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Ah no it wasn't, you're being unclear on what you're actually saying, I want to fully understand what point your'e trying to make. By the looks of it you're saying that new religions means a civilisation is stupid and doesn't engage in "critical thought". That it's not capable for a civilisation that has such beliefs to create advanced technology, you even straight up emphasised "stupid".
So could you answer the questions? I want to see if this apparent 'new religion or beliefs = stupid civilisation' insinutation is correct.
Along with "stupid", I said if he's indicative of their culture, then I doubt that they have institutions that champion critical thinking. I'm using the word "institution" in an anthropological sense btw. Like a signpost on where they are in their evolutionary and educational development. It goes hand in hand with what I said about construction and metal working. Like a milestone they must have not reached in their civilization. They're not seeing a human soldier for what he or she is. They seemingly don't care about historical context. On the flipside, you'll find plenty of Buddhists, Christians, and Jews who question the histories of their beliefs or try to frame those beliefs in a grounded way. Even if it's sloppy, they try often, and don't ignore it. And when they go to most colleges, they're forced to examine it.
Well Jediism is the 4th largest religion in the UK, it's even protected under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act. What is your opinion on that? Is that religion somehow not a religion?
For your second part, say the actual canon goes "The galaxy rebuilt after destroy", like it suggests at the end of Destroy, what then? Will you accept canon?
Sure I would accept it. I don't mind a retcon. But low ems destroy is a little more bleak for the time being. Relays are gone, humanity almost wiped out, etc.. They're rebuilding from a more desolate state. It would take a long time to get to looking like this trailer again.
As for Jedis.. yeah, I think it's stupid too. It's just a movie. It's got cool philosophies -- one you could take very seriously -- but an actual religion? That's just trollish.
At the very least, I feel sorry for George Lucas.
I can only speak for myself, but:
1) Because galactic travel shouldn't be possible. It would take centuries for a ship to even cross the gulf between the galaxies, let alone find a garden world (that's not already occupied). And without a way to discharge a drive core periodically, a ship will fry itself and the crew long before that happens.
2) Because if galactic travel was possible, there is absolutely no reason not to think the Reapers have gone there as well. And so we'd be stuck with harvested cycles, Crucibles, and ME3 endings.
3) Because it is painfully obvious why we are relocating to Andromeda. A terrible, terrible ending that frakked with the entire galaxy and Bioware is too proud to backtrack on it. So the only answer left is permanent exile from a galaxy containing 300 billion stars which it is feasible to reach given mass effect technology.
4) Because it's abandoning the familiar touchstones of the precious games: The Council, the Citadel, the mass relay network. And so on. I looked at the trailer, and I didn't see Mass Effect, I saw a scifi shooter. Like any of a dozen others out there. I don't understand why it's even called "Mass Effect"
Marketing of course. Who wants to buy a game called Andromeda?
Paridave - Are you worried they'll confuse it with the TV show of the same name?
Well, people to be frank don't want to embrace something new and would rather stick with something old. Some people refuse to accept the fact that ME has change yet they'll complain about CoD not changing. They just need to let go and look forward to the next ME instead of bashing it right from the get go. None of us haven't played it, so we really cannot judge.
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Well, people to be frank don't want to embrace something new and would rather stick with something old. Some people refuse to accept the fact that ME has change yet they'll complain about CoD not changing. They just need to let go and look forward to the next ME instead of bashing it right from the get go. None of us haven't played it, so we really cannot judge.
What do you mean? CoD has definitely changed. They're fighting zombies and **** now... and have weapons like Titanfall.
Not that that any of that is good. It's kind of strange actually..considering the series' roots.
Playing jedi isn't a real religion, that's just star wars fanboys taking things too far when playing pretend.
Crap I could totally make a real life Quarian based religion, and get it approved by the same act, but that doesn't make it any less pretend, and a mockery of true beliefs.
But going by the point your'e getting at, we could have a Shepard inspired insane CULT.
On second point, Not when the "canon" is full of plot holes that contradict itself, which is where ALL these issues and complaints are coming from.
That's not what Jediism is. But your most important part was "true beliefs". What is a "true belief"?
ME:A has plot holes that contradict itself, which is where all these issues and complaints are coming from? Source?
Along with "stupid", I said if he's indicative of their culture, then I doubt that they have institutions that champion critical thinking. I'm using the word "institution" in an anthropological sense btw. Like a signpost on where they are in their evolutionary and educational development. It goes hand in hand with what I said about construction and metal working. Like a milestone they must have not reached in their civilization. Their culture solely revolves around mysticism..instead of seeing a human soldier for what he or she is. That they haven't broken past a point that starts seeing Shepard in any kind of historical light.
Sure I would accept it. I don't mind a retcon. But low ems destroy is a little more bleak for time being. Relays are gone, humanity almost wiped out, etc.. They're rebuilding from a more desolate state. It would take a long time to get to looking like this trailer again.
As for Jedis.. yeah, I think it's stupid too. It's just a movie. It's got cool philosophies -- one you could take very seriously -- but an actual religion. That's just trollish.
At the very least, I feel sorry for George Lucas.
So you are saying that new religions or beliefs means a civilisation is stupid then. I thought so.
You see that's where we disagree. I think a civilisation can be religions and that doesn't make it stupid. I think religious civilisations can create incredibly advanced technology. For example, did you know that there are religions out there today, yet we can communicate with each other instantaneously thanks to incredibly advanced technology?
It's good to see you've accepted that it takes place a long time after the events of the original trilogy though, like they said, and you accepted low EMS Destroy rather than your headcanon that was a significantly exagerated version.
I also completely disagree about you calling a religion stupid and people who believe it "trollish". You can think a religion is stupid, but basic respect is needed if their beliefs don't infringe on you. Faith is just belief without evidence, no religion has more ground to stand on than any other.
Do people want them to try and canonize an ending? Or try to work with the mess that was ME3's finale?
This is better. Fresh characters, setting with the same familiar races and universe we love. This is actually exactly what I hoped for. Basically a reboot without being a reboot
Because some people are just contrary or they just can't let it go.
From what I've seen they want to stay in the Milky Way to tell more stories there.
If we're getting the same races, then why does it matter, you know? It's all nomenclature at this point. A planet that you've never heard of in one galaxy is just as good as the next.
Because some people are just contrary or they just can't let it go.
Let what go? All the setting and lore they have built up over 3 games? I..e Mass Effect?
As said before, a Mako, a symbol and exploration is not what makes Mass Effect Mass Effect.
Marketing of course. Who wants to buy a game called Andromeda?
To me, an Andromeda exploration simulator with magic-user TPS gameplay and a responsive choice and consequence system would sound good regardless.
Making it a Mass Effect game means injecting that game's setting and its brand of characters into the mix.
In theory, it could be a lot of fun, but I'm still extremely skeptical towards how they'll bridge the gap from the Milky Way to the new galaxy.
Let what go? All the setting and lore they have built up over 3 games? I..e Mass Effect?
As said before, a Mako, a symbol and exploration is not what makes Mass Effect Mass Effect.
Explain what "lore" will be missing.
Because if they ignore everything that happend
it's lazy and cheap
and its why we are mass effect fans to begin with ( the 3 games)
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So you are saying that new religions or beliefs means a civilisation is stupid then. I thought so.
I'm saying they're institutionally stupid. If people aren't even looking at history, then that's not using critical thought. They're stuck in a bad rut. If they can't even look at history, then they will fail at science too.
You can still be religious and challenge your own faith with critical thought. Religious scholars do it all the time. Some to the point where they get accused of being atheists. But they are people of faith and intellectual at the same time. If you can't even do that, then yes, it's stupid.
It's like you want me to feel bad now.. and be more sensitive about Jedis or something. I never expected something as crazy as this at all today. lol
t's good to see you've accepted that it takes place a long time after the events of the original trilogy though, like they said, and you accepted low EMS Destroy rather than your headcanon that was a significantly exagerated version.
I already accepted when we first started this conversation. I told you specifically that I'd just like to know how long it would be.
And there's little different than low EMS destroy and what I said. I was depicting a situation with survivors of the Normandy trying to survive on a lone planet. That isn't going to go so well.
While Hackett survives in low EMS destroy, he's in a weakened fleet, next to a nearly blackened Earth.. with no relays. Exactly how they are going to advance so quickly?
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