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It's not that separated. It's right next to Bajor and Cardassian space. It's only seperated from Earth... but the show goes to Earth more than any other Trek. 
 
It's premise is still about the same old concerns... about integrating Bajor into the Federation. It's not some brand new setting. 
 
 
I don't know why you're pushing this. I've met you halfway with Voyager.  :lol:


Just reiterating some of the similarities between the two raw setting shifts, to which there are more than a few.

I can't dispute the particulars because we don't know the particulars about ME:Andromeda yet.

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Canonizing the ending will go against bioware's whole development philosophy.



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Canonizing the ending will go against bioware's whole development philosophy.

Doesn't matter to some people, they want to be in the Milky Way Galaxy and don't care at all what has to be done to get them there.



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Guess I played Baldur's Gate wrong.

 

KOTOR too...


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Guess I played Baldur's Gate wrong.

 

KOTOR too...

Not sure how you figure that, but since your into making dramatic statements I'll just let this go.



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Ending aside, I wonder if they'll canonize the fate of the Quarians and Krogan. Or was someone wise enough to put some token Quarians into a cryo pod in the nick of time.

 

Or maybe the Quarians just as well might be dead to memory and we'll never see their kind again.



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Guys, I liked the original trilogy too, and I loved the characters. But ME3 ended bad. Yeah they could canonize destroy (the best ending)

 

Oh shut up already. 



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I like to think the people at Bioware are adults and let the whole ending thing go, oh I don't know, three years ago or so. If they're anything like me they must be wondering why so many people seem obsessed with it still.

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Not sure how you figure that, but since your into making dramatic statements I'll just let this go.

Baldur's Gate canonizes your companions (Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Jaheira, and Khalid) in addition to Imoen becoming a mage.  In addition, many characters turn up alive who may be dead.

 

KOTOR Revan is canonically LSM, romanced Bastila (and had a child with her) and has a set appearance.


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Ending aside, I wonder if they'll canonize the fate of the Quarians and Krogan. Or was someone wise enough to put some token Quarians into a cryo pod in the nick of time.


I guarantee you that every single quarian in existence wasn't over Rannoch. That's easy to work around.

The krogan, however, will be interesting to see, especially since one can be seen briefly in the new trailer.

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Canonizing the ending will go against bioware's whole development philosophy.


Agreed, but this is a problem with that philosophy, and has been since at least HotU, if not BG2. Although handwaving everything is a form of canonization, yep.

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Ending aside, I wonder if they'll canonize the fate of the Quarians and Krogan. Or was someone wise enough to put some token Quarians into a cryo pod in the nick of time.

 

Or maybe the Quarians just as well might be dead to memory and we'll never see their kind again.

Given the existence of krogan here, the genophage will almost have to be an issue.



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Baldur's Gate canonizes your companions (Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Jaheira, and Khalid) in addition to Imoen becoming a mage.  In addition, many characters turn up alive who may be dead.
 
KOTOR Revan is canonically LSM, romanced Bastila (and had a child with her) and has a set appearance.


So ... we should canonize some stuff for ME:A?

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So ... we should canonize some stuff for ME:A?

 

Just the opposite, I think ME3 should be ignored.  Hell, I'd prefer a Mass Effect: Days of Future Past as an ME4.

 

But fleeing the galaxy is not ignoring ME3.

 

Point being, having a policy of "no canon" is not a historical precedent with Bioware.  If they really wanted to further mess with the endings, they could.


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Baldur's Gate canonizes your companions (Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Jaheira, and Khalid) in addition to Imoen becoming a mage.  In addition, many characters turn up alive who may be dead.

 

KOTOR Revan is canonically LSM, romanced Bastila (and had a child with her) and has a set appearance.

That was before the import system was a huge part of their system. By Baldur's Gate, it was only a fluff feature rather than a full fledged one. Also if I remember correctly, KOTOR was a one off. I don't think you could import your save into KOTOR 2.


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I like to think the people at Bioware are adults and let the whole ending thing go, oh I don't know, three years ago or so. If they're anything like me they must be wondering why so many people seem obsessed with it still.

 

When you spent hundreds of dollars(if not thousands) and hours upon hours of time on something and it ends up with a conclusion like that, there's a bit of an understandable reason for people to not let it go.

 

In a way, I haven't. I have in that I'm not raging or flipping out like some have over the years, but I've learned from ME3;I'm not jumping onto the Andromeda boat until Bioware can win my confidence in them again.


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I like to think the people at Bioware are adults and let the whole ending thing go, oh I don't know, three years ago or so. If they're anything like me they must be wondering why so many people seem obsessed with it still.

 

If they did that, it's remarkable. It's harder to let go as a creator.. but I don't know anything about games. I'm a musician. Game developers probably deal with a helluva lot more disappointment and compromise on a regular basis.

 

 

I know that it wasn't true for Gaider and DA2. One of his last blogs he was talking about still being bummed with how the expansion got canceled...and some of what he had planned. He still said it hurt and didn't want to talk that much about it. This was already after DAI released.


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Agreed, but this is a problem with that philosophy, and has been since at least HotU, if not BG2. Although handwaving everything is a form of canonization, yep.

Definitely. The import causes a lot of problems. They should only limit it to a few choices while not discarding but ignoring all the other choices.



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I guarantee you that every single quarian in existence wasn't over Rannoch. That's easy to work around.The krogan, however, will be interesting to see, especially since one can be seen briefly in the new trailer.


Well, it's not too hard to imagine the genophage being cured whatever happens. What one scientist can do, another can do.

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Guess I played Baldur's Gate wrong.
 
KOTOR too...

 
And Mass Effect 2, some people played it wrong  too.
 

Well, it's not too hard to imagine the genophage being cured whatever happens. What one scientist can do, another can do.


No way mate, Bioware will surely "preserve our decisions".

 

I read it on BSN.



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Just the opposite, I think ME3 should be ignored.


They're not going to completely ignore a full game in the series, nor would I and many others want them to.

Talk like that really isn't helpful.

Point being, having a policy of "no canon" is not a historical precedent with Bioware.


It also never was true: Mass Effect always had some form of canon driving it, with parameters that kept variables under control.

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I guarantee you that every single quarian in existence wasn't over Rannoch. That's easy to work around.

The krogan, however, will be interesting to see, especially since one can be seen briefly in the new trailer.

 

Enough to rebuild a population from then, you think? There was a call for the Quarians to return to their fleets.. I think a lot obeyed. I'm sure some didn't, but... 



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Doesn't matter to some people, they want to be in the Milky Way Galaxy and don't care at all what has to be done to get them there.

That's absurd.  I'm perfectly fine with a new galaxy.  Still think they should canonize an ending.  If there are ties to the old trilogy, it's history.  Can't just pretend it's not there.


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Technically all those times you died in combat are alternate timelines where the hero loses, the one time you beat a game is a canon run.  :P



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Enough to rebuild a population from then, you think?


Probably, yeah. As many will be away from Rannoch as BioWare needs, and their traveling nature makes that relatively easy to work around.