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[Sion1138]

Yeah, someone mentioned time travel.

 

I was heavily in favor of that. Could have solved most if not all the problems and made for an interesting story that both camps would have liked.

 

But alas...

[von uber]

I am absolutely puzzled by people who say that future stories within 'Council Space' (to use an easy phrase) aren't possible post Reaper War.

[Lividity Jones]

That's absurd.  I'm perfectly fine with a new galaxy.  Still think they should canonize an ending.  If there are ties to the old trilogy, it's history.  Can't just pretend it's not there.

 

One ending turns the entire galaxy, explored and unexplored, into the Borg, another threatens massive levels of death and starvation without an infrastructure for travel or communication, and another leaves the galaxy with supreme Dr. Manhatten-esque gods looming over everyone's heads at the command of a VI clone of Shepard. There is no way to portray the series in a way that doesn't make one canon and not the others simply by their scope. So the solution is to have the writers rush the players out the room and tell them it doesn't matter while they dangle something new and shiny in front of you. It's bullshit and there's no justification for it. Even calling this a trailer is a joke because we know about just as much as we did the day before. So why make a trailer if you won't show anything? Good job, Bioware, really restoring the faith.

[Rannik]

Dude where's Sarah Kerrigan?

 

She's in The Nexus, fighting pandas.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, someone mentioned time travel.
 
I was heavily in favor of that. Could have solved most if not all the problems and made for an interesting story that both camps would have liked.

Sure about that?

Personally, the introduction of time-travel to this series would be even worse than the introduction of the idea that we can get to Andromeda.

[Linkenski]

They're not going to completely ignore a full game in the series, nor would I and many others want them to.

Talk like that really isn't helpful.

Yeah, I AM curious to know how seriously Bioware takes this issue about moving to another galaxy and the ramification of ME3's events like the fate of the Krogans and quarians and etc. Somehow I could see us all playing this game and then becoming increasingly frustrated as it seems to take itself as a soft-reboot or vague sequel yet it won't actually fit with how things went down in the previous games and the Krogan suddenly don't have a genophage issue or the resolution of one... Knowing Mac, I always fear the worst, that he's too ignorant of these types of ramifications and because "he doesn't care for it, why should anyone?" and the "It's just a game right. Don't fuss so much over words" mentality.

[dragonflight288]

KOTOR is a terrible example.

4k years before, yet everything is exactly the same for no reason?  Why is star wars so stagnant?!

 

No, the issue here is, its an entirely separate galaxy from mass effect, in an entirely different era, i'm assuming, so there's literally NO reason for it to resemble the setting of mass effect at all, hence no reason to call it mass effect, so forcing it to use mass effect tech anyway just for the sake of brand recognition is just awkward and insulting, when they could have kept it in the setting of the milky way if they wanted to truly continue Mass Effect.

 

As is, they wanted to start a new series but kept the name "Mass effect" for marketing.

 

 

 

This has NOTHING to do with Shepard or the ME3 ending.  They could have set it before Shepard, during the 20 years of human colonization and expansion after the first contact war.  They could have set it during the two years Shepard was dead.  Or they could have set it anytime during ME's 1 and 2, pre reaper invasion, and just had no real mention of Shepards exploits, but kept the setting.

 

Instead, we get a bad omen of poor writing in the future by nonsensically having Milky Way tech, military rankings, people, and buildings, in an entirely different galaxy.

 

I was initially excited by the trailer, but the moment I applied logic, it all fell apart.  Its supposed to be about colonizing and human expansion, but it doesn't make sense either way.  Either its pre reaper war incase SOMEBODYS an idiot for winding up in a different galaxy, or its post reaper war, in which case, how did they get that far without mass relays?  You can't even explore your OWN galaxy without them.

 

I was using the example of it being set in the same universe. 

 

And Andromeda will have nothing to do with Shepard or ME3, it's is the very far future and in a separate galaxy, but my point was that if it follows the same rules as the Mass Effect universe we have come to know and love, with mass effect fields and drives, biotics, then it is a mass effect game. My post was in response to someone saying if it's not in the Milky Way and doesn't incorporate Shepard or the endings, it's not a Mass Effect game. 

 

It is a Mass Effect game, but it's a separate story from what we've already been given. 

 

And next to nothing is known about it other than it's in the far future, another galaxy, and the character in the trailer is not the protagonist. That's it. 

 

But it's set in the same universe and thus has to follow the same rules set by the trilogy in regards to how things work.

 

After that, it'll be the quality of the writing that makes it a good game or not. KOTOR is a Star Wars game, but it's not even related to the movies or the books except that it follows the same rules as the universe. There are Jedi and Sith, the Force, and many of the same species, This'll be a Mass Effect game, but it will only be related to the trilogy in that it's the same universe, and thus open to the same rules as that universe.

 

I have no doubt that it's for marketing, but that does not take away that it's a Mass Effect game. 

 

It is what it is. That was my entire point. I'm not commenting on whether it'll be good or bad, not enough intel.

[AresKeith]

Baldur's Gate canonizes your companions (Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Jaheira, and Khalid) in addition to Imoen becoming a mage.  In addition, many characters turn up alive who may be dead.

 

KOTOR Revan is canonically LSM, romanced Bastila (and had a child with her) and has a set appearance.

 

Which was done by LucasArts not Bioware

[AlanC9]

My preferred continuation point, FWIW, was set 800 years or so after Destroy, with the secret of repairing relays having just been discovered. The various clusters have all gone their own way in the meantime. I figured that Sol system would have been a good place to start, since, conveniently, there are breeding populations of most of the major races present after the war. So Liara cameos as an ancient matriarch, unless she's this game's Wynne. And so forth.

But now that this has been relegated to fanfic, I'm willing to give Andromeda a shot.

[dragonflight288]

Okay, I see what you're all saying. What I'm saying is that the reach of the whichever ending was selected might not effect a distant galaxy the same way that it did the Milky Way. They might be using ancient, dormant Mass Relays this time and jumpstarting them, or they might have just managed to recreate a Mass Relay for the first time in ever, after centuries of trying. It would still be technology taken from billion+ year old space Cthulu.

 

The explanation that the story provides might be perfectly reasonable in context. Of course it's not going to be hard science or hold water against careful scrutiny, but that's been the way of this technology from the beginning. It's always been space magic, so that's probably what we should expect this time around as well. 

 

I've been assuming that traces of inactive Reaper tech would linger, even if they themselves are destroyed. 

 

This idea is plausible. I mean, the protheans in ME1 were on the verge of recreating relays, which is how we got the conduit.

[von uber]

Imy point was that if it follows the same rules as the Mass Effect universe we have come to know and love, with mass effect fields and drives, biotics, then it is a mass effect game.

 

Is that really all Mass Effect is to you? 'Rules'? Not history, people, places? The fact that it felt like a living place?

[AlanC9]

Which was done by LucasArts not Bioware

Good catch. Was the horrible KotOR2 start also LA's fault, or was that an own-goal by Obsidian?

[Linkenski]

 

Yeah, someone mentioned time travel.

 

I was heavily in favor of that. Could have solved most if not all the problems and made for an interesting story that both camps would have liked.

 

But alas...

 

http://tvtropes.org/...Main/TimeTravel

 

 

I previously mentioned ME:A going what is equivalent to High-fantasy but as a sci-fi, but I wouldn't take it THAT far. People need to realize how much time travel in any shape or form cheapens the stories they're in, especially when we're talking about Mass Effect which grew up with techy-talky roots like Star Trek and such, where even when it don't make sense there's some pseudo-science to explain it so it seems somewhat believeable. Time travel has no excuse as far as I'm concerned. It should always be avoided unless the writers are deliberately going for Saturday Morning Cartoon levels of writing. I don't want Mass Effect to be more patronizing than it already was:

 

[AresKeith]

Good catch. Was the horrible KotOR2 start also LA's fault, or was that an own-goal by Obsidian?

 

Could be both

[LinksOcarina]

Star Trek had time travel too...

 

By the way...who said they were ignoring the trilogy?

[Rannik]

Which was done by LucasArts not Bioware

 

And then Bioware had no problem putting him and his canonized backstory literally everywhere in SWTOR, which implies they agree.

 

They even gave him his own personal expansion: Shadow of Revan and the Revanous Revanites Revaning harder.

[wright1978]

I am absolutely puzzled by people who say that future stories within 'Council Space' (to use an easy phrase) aren't possible post Reaper War.

 

I'm puzzled by people who think they are  possible without mass canonisation.

[Lividity Jones]

Is that really all Mass Effect is to you? 'Rules'? Not history, people, places? The fact that it felt like a living place?

 

Some people just look at the trailer and see the omni-blade and the N7 and ooh shiny things and new locations and they don't care about substance or building a universe. Bioware counts on it for money.

[Gwydden]

Is that really all Mass Effect is to you? 'Rules'? Not history, people, places? The fact that it felt like a living place?

That's all Mass Effect IS. I'm not attached to it, but I'm not dismissive of it either.

I don't want to see the people or places again. Not because I didn't like them, but because the trilogy's over, I had enough of them and I've moved on.

[AresKeith]

And then Bioware had no problem putting him and his canonized backstory literally everywhere in SWTOR, which implies they agree.

 

They even gave him his own personal expansion.

 

So? If Bioware wants to use Revan they would have to use the canon because LucasArts always demanded a canon for Star Wars

[dreamgazer]

I previously mentioned ME:A going what is equivalent to High-fantasy but as a sci-fi, but I wouldn't take it THAT far. People need to realize how much time travel in any shape or form cheapens the stories they're in, especially when we're talking about Mass Effect which grew up with techy-talky roots like Star Trek and such, where even when it don't make sense there's some pseudo-science to explain it so it seems somewhat believeable.

Indeed.

The number of paradoxes and other question marks about other species that would be introduced with the possibility of time-travel would be positively staggering.

[Rannik]

So? If Bioware wants to use Revan they would have to use the canon because LucasArts always demanded a canon for Star Wars

 

That's my point, they have absolutely no problem with canonized stuff, if they did they'd give us something else instead of Revan f***ing everywhere.

[Il Divo]

Which was done by LucasArts not Bioware

 

Not to mention, from what I've seen, was pretty much ripped apart by everyone I've heard speak of it. I've heard pretty decent things about TOR actually, but none of them related to the KotOR canonization. 

[AresKeith]

That's my point, they have no problem using canonized stuff, if they did they'd give us something else instead of Revan everywhere.

 

But the canon was done outside of Bioware, Bioware themselves don't want to do a canon