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[Dunmer of Redoran]

Mass Effect is a character-driven franchise. If you abandon the characters, you abandon the thing that drew the most fans.

 

 

ME4 characters might be good. They might be better than the ones in ME1-3. But they'll perpetually be the "other" guys.

[Massa FX]

But you'll probably play as would-be Shepard anyway, which is kind of worse.

 

That is going to be the biggest hill to climb past for me.

 

I'll compare Shepard to the new protagonist. I won't be able to help that. Sure. But, I'm willing to keep my Shepard where she is. I'll still play ME1-ME3. But, I think there's room in my gamer heart for someone new. Not to replace Shep. No-one can do that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do people want them to try and canonize an ending? Or try to work with the mess that was ME3's finale?

 

This is better. Fresh characters, setting with the same familiar races and universe we love. This is actually exactly what I hoped for. Basically a reboot without being a reboot

Vehemently disagree. Throwing the entire trilogy away is not a better solution. 

[Massa FX]

It's not about Shepard. We're talking about a whole galaxy. That's a reason to be bummed more than Shepard.

 

I'm not bummed about exploring a new galaxy. I look forward to it. Gah! Looking forward to the newness because what's gone on before will always be there for me to take out and play. 

 

For me, it's a good thing. It'll allow me to move beyond the trilogy much easier if it's a new setting. I won't have to grieve all over again for Shepard, the crew, the Normandy of old.

[Sion1138]

I'll compare Shepard to the new protagonist. I won't be able to help that. Sure. But, I'm willing to keep my Shepard where she is. I'll still play ME1-ME3. But, I think there's room in my gamer heart for someone new. Not to replace Shep. No-one can do that.

 

What did you think the music was hinting at?

[Annihilator27]

It was the only direction they could take...Maybe Reaper Shepard will say hey haha

[KaiserShep]

Mass Effect is a character-driven franchise. If you abandon the characters, you abandon the thing that drew the most fans.

 

 

ME4 characters might be good. They might be better than the ones in ME1-3. But they'll perpetually be the "other" guys.

 

On the flip side of that, sticking to the old characters forever gets pretty stale. On top of that, you can kill every single one of them, including the typically unkillable Liara. 

 

Vehemently disagree. Throwing the entire trilogy away is not a better solution. 

 

Let's face it: no matter what they did, people would be very unhappy about it. If BioWare canonized an ending and rolled with that, some people would be mad. If they made a prequel or "mid"quel, people would be mad about that too. 

[Funkcase]

The only problem was synthesis. Control and Destroy would have been able to work with a sequel (as the Reapers could simply have been moved back into Dark Space in Control). So I doubt we'll ever return to the Milky Way in the Mass Effect universe. This is a shame, however, I remain excited about the Mass Effect universe.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let's face it: no matter what they did, people would be very unhappy about it. If BioWare canonized an ending and rolled with that, some people would be mad. If they made a prequel or "mid"quel, people would be mad about that too. 

So they go with the worst option? 

[geth47]

No ending should be considered canonical. It would beat the whole purpose and betray the premise of the series. Those who disagree should stick to linear games with no types of branching paths or alternative endings that do not equal game over screens. 

 

Choosing destroy would be a cake in the face of those who would rather control or even go with fusion. Of even the refusal crowd. 

 

Take note that nothing prevents the destroy ending from having happened. You will simply never obtain confirmation. Nor will you know if Tali died (in a number of different ways) or survived till the end. Of if Wreav or Wrex is in control of the Krogans or if Eve is there to help them. All the scenarios are maintained as possible, but none is regarded as guaranteed. 

 

To proceed in any other way would be extremely disrespectful to the series itself and the fans. The fact that the developers made this choice shows the apropriate respect for the series and the consumers. A step in the right direction. Let the haters cry and eat cake.

 

So the only proper way to do it is not touching the issue. Going far enough away from the crucible´s repercussions was a wise choice to continue the series, since they wanted to do more stuff after the trilogy.

 

At first I was concerned. Now I´m very much relaxed that it´s true. Should something good come out of it, great. Should it suck, I can head-canon easily into nonexistence. 

 

 

The very notion that the developers are IGNORING the trilogy is an entirely false assumption. It´s the very opposite of the truth. They are acknowledging the trilogy exactly for what it was - a series of games with several different outcomes for small, medium and big events, and even on enormous event at the end -  and they have made the conscious decision to RESPECT this aspect of the trilogy. Way to go, Bioware. 

 

To decide for one canonical path would be detrimental to the trilogy. Would be to stablish in a sense one path as the right and official and all the others as wrong, unofficial and therefore inferior. 

 

It´s obvious to me that the people in charge of bioware nowadays certainly understand and respect Mass Effect much better than the angry people feeling betrayed and stabbed for no reason whatsoever. 

 

To avoid touching a subject is not ignoring or denying the subject. In this case, is best to leave it alone if any mention of it would require a recognition of a certain outcome invalidating all the other options. 

 

When you play ME2 with no import but the comic book installed the intro features liara but leaves the virmire survivor hidden from view, as well as garrus, since Garrus could not even been recruited and we don´t know who survived. Same thing goes for the new game. 

 

The choice has already been made and it´s too late to give up now. I´m quite happy about it. Deal with it, and live with it. Or leave and don´t even play the game. 

 

And frankly, it´s a great way to attract more people to play. Besides, the new protagonist should really avoid living under shepard´s shadow and conquer his/her own space with his/her own set of decisions.

[GalacticWolf5]

They've already confirmed that there is no canon ending, so people should stop talking about that.

[TheJediSaint]

The new Mass Effect does not deserve to have the festering carcass of an albatross that was ME3's ending dangling around its neck.

 

I want to pretend that ME3's ending never happened and focus on what's important.  Seeking out new life to kill and/or seduce.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

On the flip side of that, sticking to the old characters forever gets pretty stale. On top of that, you can kill every single one of them, including the typically unkillable Liara. 

 

I'm not disputing that one bit. Sometimes it's better to put a franchise out to pasture. Friends is one of the most successful character-driven media franchises of all time, but it ended. Mass Effect could do the same.

 

Alternately, they could follow the path of Ratchet & Clank and do what Insomniac is doing: just reboot the franchise with the same core characters, setting and story, but overhaul the gameplay, graphics, etc. for a vastly superior experience that stays true to the original. I hope the new R&C is highly successful, because it would set a tremendous precedent for character-based game series.

[Linkenski]

Because everyone has a boner for Shepard and can't let him go, even though his arc and entire narrative surrounding him ended with... well, that ending.

[BabyPuncher]

The new Mass Effect does not deserve to have the festering carcass of an albatross that was ME'3 ending dangling around its neck.

 

I want to pretend that ME3's ending never happened and focus on what's important.  Seeking out new life to kill and/or seduce.

 

Which is precisely why they need to do what they need to do to resolve all the idiocy and get past it, instead of just pretending it doesn't matter since it's happening back in the Milky Way and leave it hanging around and players asking questions for the next ten years.

[KaiserShep]

So they go with the worst option? 

 

Worst to you, maybe. The original trilogy has tons of baggage that can never be followed through well without significant cost. Heck I didn't really want to go to Andromeda either, but I sure as hell didn't want to go into the past, which, to me, would be the absolute worst option. Frankly, the prequel was the thing I feared the most for the continuation of the franchise, so I'm just relieved that we got the future at all.

[In Exile]

I'm absolutely delighted this will be a soft reboot.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Worst to you, maybe. The original trilogy has tons of baggage that can never be followed through well without significant cost. 

No, it is the objective worst. Well, tied with some others but I'm talking about for sequels. 

Instead of just getting rid of the ending, they get rid of everything. All the planets, all the characters, all the lore, and probably some of the races. 

[saladinbob]

I can only speak for myself in this but it's a combination of ignoring the consequences of those awful endings and potential plot. For me, the idea of seeing a Milky Way struggling to come to terms with the Reaper invasion and a Council struggling for legitimacy due to their denials would have made for a far more nuanced plot than so hairy fairy Ark theory nonsense. It's bad enough ending the last trilogy with so many plot holes without starting the next one with the biggest of all. One thing I think I can speak for most people who are critical of it is not so much that we're pissed as that we'll take some convincing. Bioware's writer/s have their work cut out for them.

[Wonderllama4]

It's time to start fresh, look forward, and not look back. We had our time with Liara and the others. It's time for change. Time for another Asari hottie to captivate our hearts and write fanfic about! Time for another burly Krogan to laugh with! Time for another boring human male to completely hate and ignore!

 

Onwards... to the future!!!

[KaiserShep]

There's no such thing as an "objectively" worst option here. 

[In Exile]

No, it is the objective worst. Well, tied with some others but I'm talking about for sequels.
Instead of just getting rid of the ending, they get rid of everything. All the planets, all the characters, all the lore, and probably some of the races.

Which is what makes it the best option. Except for the fact they aren't getting rid of most of the lore.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Which is what makes it the best option. Except for the fact they aren't getting rid of most of the lore.

No, it makes it one of the worst, and the worst for a sequel(something that takes place after). 

Yes they are.

They are getting rid of all relations with the races other than "We're friendly enough to ride to a new galaxy together". 

They are getting rid of all the planets and the lore connected to them. 

They are ripping some of the lore apart to even get us to a new galaxy. 

[saladinbob]

It's time to start fresh, look forward, and not look back. We had our time with Liara and the others. It's time for change. Time for another Asari hottie to captivate our hearts and write fanfic about! Time for another burly Krogan to laugh with! Time for another boring human male to completely hate and ignore!

 

Onwards... to the future!!!

 

Why? Continuity is the key to success. The biggest franchises are successful because they maintain that continuity, not because they tore up the book and started again.

[Steelcan]

guys if this keeps up I will have to give David a like