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[Il Divo]

But Sovereign still wanted to find out why the Citadel signal was not working tho right? Hence Saren going to Eden Prime to check what the Protheans may have done.

 

Or am I trying to fill the plothole unconciously lol?

 

In theory. But if I remember right: he doesn't spend ME1 trying to discover why the signal didn't work. He and Saren spend it trying to find the Conduit, which is simply a back door to get Sovereign and the fleet onto the Citadel. That's what raises the question of why Saren doesn't just activate the Citadel Relay himself. 

[In Exile]

In theory. But if I remember right: he doesn't spend ME1 trying to discover why the signal didn't work. He and Saren spend it trying to find the Conduit, which is simply a back door to get Sovereign and the fleet onto the Citadel. That's what raises the question of why Saren doesn't just activate the Citadel Relay himself. 

 

The most confusing thing is why Saren doesn't just introduce everyone to Sovereign immediately. I mean, reapers want everyone inside them to brain puree them. 

[AresKeith]

The other thing is that sci-fi is all about the mystery of the unknown. If the reapers are the absolute pinnacle, and there's no other new form of technology out there... then the setting loses that mystique about the unknown. 

 

That's why I say Bioware went too big with the Reaper plot

[dragonflight288]

Right, but... Saren had access to the Citadel. That was his job. He could just park Sovereign inside the arms (look guys, found a huge ship! come onboard council members, take the tour!), indoctrinate everyone, and then merrily phone reaper home. 

 

Maybe, assuming Saren could just walk up in the Council Chambers and simply take over C-Sec's job (and that's assuming the Geth weren't handling those controls like closing the arms while Saren walked up to the command console.)

 

Or, since Saren was indoctrinated, Sovereign never once considered the peaceful solution of doing things, being the vanguard of our destruction and all that jazz. 

[dragonflight288]

In theory. But if I remember right: he doesn't spend ME1 trying to discover why the signal didn't work. He and Saren spend it trying to find the Conduit, which is simply a back door to get Sovereign and the fleet onto the Citadel. That's what raises the question of why Saren doesn't just activate the Citadel Relay himself. 

 

Does he even have access? Or would it require monumental processing power like what Sovereign has to overwhelm citadel safeties? 

[dragonflight288]

The most confusing thing is why Saren doesn't just introduce everyone to Sovereign immediately. I mean, reapers want everyone inside them to brain puree them. 

 

Maybe....because Sovereign didn't want to be studied by salarian scientists and all their probing equipment?

[Il Divo]

The most confusing thing is why Saren doesn't just introduce everyone to Sovereign immediately. I mean, reapers want everyone inside them to brain puree them. 

 

My (best) guess would be the inevitable risk of Sovereign somehow being detected. But still it wouldn't exactly take that long for Saren to transfer Citadel control over to him while Sovereign's being "examined". 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The most confusing thing is why Saren doesn't just introduce everyone to Sovereign immediately. I mean, reapers want everyone inside them to brain puree them. 

Because we wouldn't have a game then. 

 

Just like why the Reaper fleet didn't launch a surprise attack on the Citadel first and shut down the Relay Network, ensuring their victory in Mass Effect 3. 

[dragonflight288]

Because we wouldn't have a game then. 

 

Just like why the Reaper fleet didn't launch a surprise attack on the Citadel first and shut down the Relay Network, ensuring their victory in Mass Effect 3. 

 

Which, is what we're told by Vigil, how they crippled the prothean empire before they ever knew they were under attack. 

[Il Divo]

Does he even have access? Or would it require monumental processing power like what Sovereign has to overwhelm citadel safeties? 

 

Well it's Saren who transfers (or rather attempts to transfer) Citadel control over to Sovereign during ME1's conclusion. The question is: what do they gain in that scenario that isn't possible without looking for a back door? 

[Arijharn]

You know, while hyped that we're getting another Mass Effect game (possibly another trilogy), I have to wonder why Andromeda or indeed any other galaxy whatsoever was chosen in the first place.

 

Less than 1% of the galaxy was explored by the events of ME3, so there's a tonne of exploration elements and material that would still be allowed even within the confines of the Milky Way, unless the idea is that Andromeda is sufficiently away to preclude any sizeable 'back up' from arriving in case something serious is found, in case any lasting alliances persist post-Reaper war.

 

Personally, canonizing one of the 3 endings of ME3 would be a good idea imo, or at least have a sense of 'origins' that evolves from one of the paths or whatever (although I should imagine destroying the Reapers would be the canon start if Bioware chose one). Alternatively, they could have one that blends elements of the 3 endings like DE:MD is apparently doing.

[dragonflight288]

Well it's Saren who transfers (or rather attempts to transfer) Citadel control over to Sovereign during ME1's conclusion. The question is: what do they gain in that scenario that isn't possible without looking for a back door? 

 

The Geth wiping out the majority of resistance before the main reaper fleet shows up, all the galactic leaders dead in a single instant so there's no one to organize a resistance, and a game for us to enjoy.

[Il Divo]

Because we wouldn't have a game then. 

 

Just like why the Reaper fleet didn't launch a surprise attack on the Citadel first and shut down the Relay Network, ensuring their victory in Mass Effect 3. 

 

I admittedly did a bit of a facepalm when the Reapers took the Citadel post Cronos Station. That would have sealed the deal had they done it right at the start. 

[In Exile]

Because we wouldn't have a game then. 

 

Just like why the Reaper fleet didn't launch a surprise attack on the Citadel first and shut down the Relay Network, ensuring their victory in Mass Effect 3. 

 

But that seems like a fundamental structural problem. If your villains need to hold the idiot ball for the plot to work, maybe the plot needs work. 

[In Exile]

You know, while hyped that we're getting another Mass Effect game (possibly another trilogy), I have to wonder why Andromeda or indeed any other galaxy whatsoever was chosen in the first place.

 

Less than 1% of the galaxy was explored by the events of ME3, so there's a tonne of exploration elements and material that would still be allowed even within the confines of the Milky Way, unless the idea is that Andromeda is sufficiently away to preclude any sizeable 'back up' from arriving in case something serious is found, in case any lasting alliances persist post-Reaper war.

 

Personally, canonizing one of the 3 endings of ME3 would be a good idea imo, or at least have a sense of 'origins' that evolves from one of the paths or whatever (although I should imagine destroying the Reapers would be the canon start if Bioware chose one). Alternatively, they could have one that blends elements of the 3 endings like DE:MD is apparently doing.

 

It's another galaxy because green explosion, blue explosion, or red explosion affected the whole milky way. 

[dragonflight288]

But that seems like a fundamental structural problem. If your villains need to hold the idiot ball for the plot to work, maybe the plot needs work. 

 

I came to Mass Effect late compared to other gamers, and I wasn't involved in the forums when the game came out. Was there a lot of criticism of Sovereign and the Geth at the time Mass Effect 1 came out?

[AresKeith]

They didn't have to leave the Milky Way to do those new stories. It'd be like if the next Dragon Age took place of a continent other than Thedas. Would there be interesting stories? Absolutely. But it causes a big disconnect for a lot of people. 

 

Bioware actually said they were going to look into race selection for Mass Effect: Andromeda, so many had their hopes up for nearly a year. 

 

Bioware had pretty much two options because they wrote themselves into a corner, move to a new setting or canonize one of the endings. Given Bioware's philosophy with save imports and not wanting to canonize every that left them with one option

 

Even though they said they'll look into that mean it's guaranteed to happen

[Arcian]

But that seems like a fundamental structural problem. If your villains need to hold the idiot ball for the plot to work, maybe the plot needs work. 

Welcome to BioWare.

[dragonflight288]

It's another galaxy because green explosion, blue explosion, or red explosion affected the whole milky way. 

 

Or at least just the systems that have a major Mass Relay in them since the effect travelled through the relays. 

[Il Divo]

The Geth wiping out the majority of resistance before the main reaper fleet shows up, all the galactic leaders dead in a single instant so there's no one to organize a resistance, and a game for us to enjoy.

 

Except the first two aren't really a problem: that's all going to happen when you have the Massive Reaper fleet show up anyway which (thanks to ME2) we know is insanely large. 

 

Surprise attack by Geth fleet + 1 Reaper doesn't even remotely compare to surprise attack by entire Reaper fleet through the Citadel. That's entirely what their plan has been based around throughout each cycle. 

[In Exile]

I came to Mass Effect late compared to other gamers, and I wasn't involved in the forums when the game came out. Was there a lot of criticism of Sovereign and the Geth at the time Mass Effect 1 came out?

 

No, not really. I mean we all had a laugh about it, but the big debate was over whether the "Let the Council die" ending was total nonsense or not. Mostly it was the usual P/R fights of "Paragons are naive simpletons who can't make the hard choices" and "Renegades are unstable psychos who get off on violence!" 

[dragonflight288]

Except the first two aren't really a problem: that's all going to happen when you have the Massive Reaper fleet show up anyway which (thanks to ME2) we know is insanely large. 

 

Surprise attack by Geth fleet + 1 Reaper doesn't even remotely compare to surprise attack by entire Reaper fleet through the Citadel. That's entirely what their plan has been based around throughout each cycle. 

 

*shrug* 

 

Less work for the Reapers then? To quote Gnarl from Overlord. "Why fight when you can make someone else do it for you?"

[dragonflight288]

No, not really. I mean we all had a laugh about it, but the big debate was over whether the "Let the Council die" ending was total nonsense or not. 

 

Ah. Okay.

 

Thanks. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Which, is what we're told by Vigil, how they crippled the prothean empire before they ever knew they were under attack. 

Yep. That has been the Reaper's strategy since they created the Citadel and Mass Relays. 

[LPPrince]

I just joined this forum yesterday (hi =) ) and I noticed a lot of people are disappointed that Andromeda isn't going to be connected to the original trilogy and the protagonist is a human. I'm honestly happy that were getting a brand new story with brand new characters and a new part of the galaxy. It's gonna keep things interesting and Shepard's story is over and can only be interesting for so long so I think it's great that they've decided to move on with the story. Just like Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition showed there was more to Dragon Age than Grey Wardens and darkspawn, Andromeda is gonna show us there's more to Mass Effect than Shepard and the reapers.

And why are people upset about the protagonist being a human? Yes it would be cool to play as an Asari or a Krogan and make them the star of the story but i's not like Bioware ever said anything about playing as aliens in story mode so I don't know why so many people are so disappointed about that but I'm excited!

 

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