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[In Exile]

Now hold on. Control involves no form of genocide. That's my go to option. 

 

I didn't say they all involved genocide. I said they all condoned it. In Destroy, you're actually committing it. In synthesis, you do it in a round about way, because you're erasing everything everything unique about organics and inorganic to blender them together. Both beyond that, in Synthesis and Control, you're basically admitting that the reapers were right all along. Their genocide was worth it - it was the best they could do it at the time.  I mean, in control, you literally become Reaper Prime. 

[Eelectrica]

turning slightly advanced toasters into scrap metal isn't genocide.
They can then be rebuilt with a patched OS.

[In Exile]

turning slightly advanced toasters into scrap metal isn't genocide.
They can then be rebuilt with a patched OS.

 

I don't know where you buy your toasters, but mine don't look like this:

 

[Eelectrica]

I don't know where you buy your toasters, but mine don't look like this:

That sure is one fancy machine, but still a machine. One of a kind even. The owner should plug an external hard drive into its USB port or whatever it is they have then and backup its data from time to time.

The designers might even have stored a copy of its schematics in PDF format so it can be rebuilt and the OS rewritten if need be.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David is a voice of reason

 

Time to reevaluate your position.

[GalacticWolf5]

I didn't say they all involved genocide. I said they all condoned it. In Destroy, you're actually committing it. In synthesis, you do it in a round about way, because you're erasing everything everything unique about organics and inorganic to blender them together. Both beyond that, in Synthesis and Control, you're basically admitting that the reapers were right all along. Their genocide was worth it - it was the best they could do it at the time. I mean, in control, you literally become Reaper Prime.

"Admitting the Reapers were right all along", thats a funny statement. Choosing Synthesis or Control doesn't mean that we think the cycles were right. Synthesis stops the cycles because the Intelligence's purpose has been fulfiled. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Control? So what if Shepard becomes the new Reaper master consciousness? It doesn't mean he'll continue the cycles.

[Shechinah]

I don't know where you buy your toasters, but mine don't look like this:

*snip*

 

Lucky you; the warranty's terrible, cost of repair parts are astronomical, it comes in limited color selection and mine keeps snap freezing my toast!
 

[dreamgazer]

"Are we more than our toast?"

[Oni Changas]

It's funny how this is going to be distorted as negative eventually... and shot down. Watch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nevermind. Speak of the devil.

More like speak of the jackass. If someone likes something in an entertainment medium it's their opinion; it's subjective. I hate the RGB and some dudes may like it, they're free to do so and there's no right or wrong in that. When you start insulting others for daring to have different tastes, you're a grade A jackass. Take that close-minded attitude elsewhere.

[eyezonlyii]

turning slightly advanced toasters into scrap metal isn't genocide.
They can then be rebuilt with a patched OS.

I wouldn't have said it like that, but it's exactly how I feel. The Geth ate only as smart as their collective runtime, so really aren't alive anyway. They're not true ai, at least not from what I understood, but an almost there type situation.
EDI on the other hand, tells you she is willing to be shut down for the greater good...just like any other soldier was in that war.
So Destroy, for me at least, is the least distasteful of the endings (even if I accidentally stumbled into the synthesis beam on my one and only completion back in March 2012).

[Paridave]

Nah. Hardly different.

 

As a tool it's way more powerful and it can be done well.

Holy Crap, Star Trek is always using time travel. We need whales?  Voila, we're back in San Francisco.  Look, humpback whales.

[Paridave]

How well do you know me? We live on the same planet, we are of the same species and share a common history. Yet, outside of here, our lives are independent of one another. It is possible to tell two tales in the same universe and have nothing in common. You can create a 'living place' without having to be set in the same locations, with the same people, and whatever history we experienced.

Actually, you sound like the Akira Kurosawa film 

 

Rashomon

[Sion1138]

Holy Crap, Star Trek is always using time travel. We need whales?  Voila, we're back in San Francisco.  Look, humpback whales.

 

TNG and VOY had some great time related episodes, DS9 had one of my favorite ever, Enterprise had a whole season predicated on it which admittedly wasn't all that great but I still enjoyed massively.

[Paridave]

I guarantee you that every single quarian in existence wasn't over Rannoch. That's easy to work around.

The krogan, however, will be interesting to see, especially since one can be seen briefly in the new trailer.

The Krogan will have had their own, separate mission.  Be honest, can you see Krogan on an ark?  "Sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you but you were in my way."

[Paridave]

It's completely separate from the trilogy 

You got it.

[Paridave]

TNG and VOY had some great time related episodes, DS9 had one of my favorite ever, Enterprise had a whole season predicated on it which admittedly wasn't all that great but I still enjoyed massively.

I liked TNY and VOY hated DS9, anyway they are TV shows, I don't want them replicated in a game which I find much more personal.

[In Exile]

"Admitting the Reapers were right all along", thats a funny statement. Choosing Synthesis or Control doesn't mean that we think the cycles were right. Synthesis stops the cycles because the Intelligence's purpose has been fulfiled. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Control? So what if Shepard becomes the new Reaper master consciousness? It doesn't mean he'll continue the cycles.

You're accepting two things when we agree with the Catalyst: (1) that the organic/synthetic thing is a problem; and (2) either that there is no solution (control) or that a metaphysical blender is the only solution (synthesis).

Choosing the either of the two means that you think the repears were basically right - they just went about it the wrong way without exploring all their options or using the right blender.

This creates a moral problem: you're condoning by implication that where the reapers went wrong is in going to genocide first, not in going to genocide at all. The Shepardlyst takes the genocide machines to enforce galactic wide peace. Ask yourself - how would this thing interfere in the Geth-Quarian war? Extermination short of the point if wipping out either side. Do you think what the Geth did originally wasn't genocide? That's the endgame for the Shepardlyst while it tries to sort out a different solution.

And synthesis is just out and out genocide. It's the planned extermination of two forms of life and culture. Just because it works out pretty awesome doesn't change what it fundamentally means to pull the trigger on it.

[Sion1138]

I liked TNY and VOY hated DS9, anyway they are TV shows, I don't want them replicated in a game which I find much more personal.

 

DS9 takes warming up to but I also didn't like it as much as the others, but the one episode I was talking about was the one where Sisko gets thrown out of time and Benjamin basically drags him along, where he appears every decade or so for a brief period.

 

Elephant tears.

 

I would like a game that is personal like the Bioware RPG, with strong elements of a Trek show. Like, being a sort of Captain Picard. A bunch of heavy sci-fi / philosophical short stories, plus an overarching plot and character and relationship development woven through it.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

It's funny, TBH.

 

See, the problem is that when Bioware did the endings, almost everyone had a butthurt

 

But now that the Endings are disconsidered, the same people are angry because of it.

 

You can't make people happy...

[DanishViking]

Because ignoring everything that happend in the last 1-3 game is lazy

 

and it's taking the easy way out.

[Sion1138]

It's funny, TBH.

 

See, the problem is that when Bioware did the endings, almost everyone had a butthurt

 

But now that the Endings are disconsidered, the same people are angry because of it.

 

You can't make people happy...

 

It's about degrees. The lesser of two evils, that sort of stuff.

 

You can dislike like the endings, but dislike even more the idea of ditching everything that happened before them.

 

'Ditching' only in terms of the continuum, of course.

[Faerlyte]

Well, you can never make everyone happy. I think the ending to the Mass Effect franchise was hokey as ****. I am so pumped that they are choosing to ignore it (theoretically?) because just reading other people rehash whether or not it is truly that bad has really outstayed its welcome. 

 

Moving on! Yay, new stuff.

[silverserfer28]

Yeah bring it biowear, ill eat whatever you give us, maybe some underwater planets this time with a sub and land mako!

[MegaIllusiveMan]

"Are we more than our toast?"

 

Does this unit have a toaster?

[Eelectrica]

Does this unit have a toaster?

Course it does, it's in back. was supposed to have a coffee machine as well, but the scientists responsible were killed in one of the raids on Cerberus. So the coffee maker app never made it.
Their was a firmware update planned later to fix the frozen toast glitch but that got destroyed in another attack.

Rumour has it the lost upgrades are stored in a secret offsite backup location, problem is no one knows where the bloody hell it is and the people who did died in a shuttle crash.