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[Silvair]

It's completely separate from the trilogy 

Allegedly.

Its still using everything FROM the original trilogy, if the trailer is any indication.

[Gwydden]

Allegedly.

Its still using everything FROM the original trilogy, if the trailer is any indication.

What is 'everything'? Setting, plot, characters?

 

The rest is set-dressing.

[AresKeith]

Allegedly.

Its still using everything FROM the original trilogy, if the trailer is any indication.

 

Can you clarify this?

[Daerog]

Because ignoring everything that happend in the last 1-3 game is lazy

 

and it's taking the easy way out.

 

It frees them to tell the story they want to tell within the idea of Mass Effect.

 

Lazy? Easy way out? Why make it harder than it needs to be? Should people walk on their hands to the bathroom in the mornings or shave using a Bowie Knife?

 

Shepard is done, there is a new hero who has a different mission and may not care about what happened in the past. Not everyone cares about history.

 

Sure, they could have made ME4, acknowledging all the previous choices and such, but why walk on eggshells during the whole development process when they can run free somewhere else?

 

More immersion? Sure, I can get that, but it's not like they are dismissing whatever history unfolded in the previous trilogy, they are just moving on and there is no need to bring up history... unless there is some history buff in the crew.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can you clarify this?

There are guns from the original trilogy. 

There are armors from the original trilogy. 

There is tech from the original trilogy. 

There are races from the original trilogy. 

etc

 

I think that's what they mean. 

[saladinbob]

DS9 takes warming up to but I also didn't like it as much as the others, but the one episode I was talking about was the one where Sisko gets thrown out of time and Benjamin basically drags him along, where he appears every decade or so for a brief period.

 

Elephant tears.

 

I would like a game that is personal like the Bioware RPG, with strong elements of a Trek show. Like, being a sort of Captain Picard. A bunch of heavy sci-fi / philosophical short stories, plus an overarching plot and character and relationship development woven through it.

 

Depends on what you like, I guess. I liked all Star Trek but DS9 was an order of magnitude above all others. I loved it because it was darker, grittier, not as clean cut and squeaky clean like the rest. It's romances ran across a good portion of the series, it's characters where flawed and the problems they faced didn't go away forcing them to deal with them in imperfect ways and face the consequences of their decisions. This is what I want to see in games I play, nuanced characters with flaws trying to make the best of a bad situation and having to deal with the consequences of their actions. This is what makes gaming interesting to me. Anything else is just The Sims.

[Silvair]

"Admitting the Reapers were right all along", thats a funny statement. Choosing Synthesis or Control doesn't mean that we think the cycles were right. Synthesis stops the cycles because the Intelligence's purpose has been fulfiled. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Control? So what if Shepard becomes the new Reaper master consciousness? It doesn't mean he'll continue the cycles.

Synthesis traps all sapient life in a living nightmare of fused flesh, against their will.  The Quarians alone would have nervous breakdowns, etc.  And its not like they are doing a fusion dance with Geth, its just Roboticizing all organics.

Because that's always just presented as such a pleasant experience.

 

 

Control has the potential to be helpful or tyrannical, but either way, its still Reaper Overlords.

Destroy is the only option that actually ends things without long lasting effects (well besides the loss of the relays causing the death of millions by stranding them.)  The synthetics can be rebuilt or recovered.

[Silvair]

What is 'everything'? Setting, plot, characters?

 

The rest is set-dressing.

 

Can you clarify this?

Again?  They are using tech and procedures from the original mass effect trilogy, on top of what appears to be the same races.

If this is supposed to really be an entire galaxy away, a millenia later, then that's a huge snag.  

 

It just raises the question of "why even bother moving to andromeda if its the same?  And if you have to keep things the same to make it still Mass Effect, then shoulda either just kept it in the milky way, or ditched it all and made a new scifi property out of the Andromeda galaxy.

[AresKeith]

Again?  They are using tech and procedures from the original mass effect trilogy, on top of what appears to be the same races.

If this is supposed to really be an entire galaxy away, a millenia later, then that's a huge snag.  

 

It just raises the question of "why even bother moving to andromeda if its the same?  And if you have to keep things the same to make it still Mass Effect, then shoulda either just kept it in the milky way, or ditched it all and made a new scifi property out of the Andromeda galaxy.

 

Ofcourse they're gonna use the same tech from the Original trilogy they came from the Milky Way

 

And just because they still have some of the old tech doesn't mean new tech won't appear

[Silvair]

Ofcourse they're gonna use the same tech from the Original trilogy they came from the Milky Way

 

And just because they still have some of the old tech doesn't mean new tech won't appear

Either way it comes across as a bit of a plot hole.  

What's the cause for technology to not advance over a thousand years?  Even when the reapers deliberately stagnated tech, it still advanced at a steady rate.
 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would hope they still use mass effect technology, considering, you know, it's the namesake of the franchise.

[AresKeith]

Either way it comes across as a bit of a plot hole.  

What's the cause for technology to not advance over a thousand years?  Even when the reapers deliberately stagnated tech, it still advanced at a steady rate.
 

 

Well there's speculation that the trip to Andromeda occurs before the ending choice happens which would make sense why they are still using the same level of tech

[Madrict]

I just want them to remaster the original trilogy so I can play all of it on my PS4....I was happy with the endings after they added in Citadel. I wouldn't really change anything. My favourite game series. I really hope they do change their minds and do a current gen remaster

[DFMelancholine]

This is not such an easy question.

I will just give my opinion on the matter as I have written it on other comment sections regarding the new ME game.

 

Mass Effect has been , is and will forever be my favourite game series and I am deeply excited about the new game, I've been waiting for it for a long time.However...as a fan I still have to admit that I feel gutted that it is totally unrelated to the previous trilogy.All I worked for,all the time I invested, all I fell in love with just to be replaced by a brand new shiny beginning with the past reduced only to exist as a mere footnote,reference,easter egg,cameo,codex entry etc. It just doesn't feel fair.

 

Let's face it.Their decision to move to another galaxy seems to be less of a natural creative transition and more a forced route to take.If the ME3 ending had been handled better in the writing department I am 100% sure today we'd be having a "Mass Effect 4" with Shepard&Co as the cast.

I am in no way infering that Andromeda will be a bad game,it may be a great game and I will probably have tons of fun playing it but I just know I will never achieve that special connection with it like I had with the previous trilogy.Mass Effect can represent many things to each fan.To me Mass Effect were the characters and without those characters I can't call it Mass Effect.But that is just me.

 

Again, I might grow to love this new "beginning" but it will always be second.

[AlanC9]

Synthesis traps all sapient life in a living nightmare of fused flesh, against their will.  The Quarians alone would have nervous breakdowns, etc.  And its not like they are doing a fusion dance with Geth, its just Roboticizing all organics.
Because that's always just presented as such a pleasant experience.
 

I'm not sure I've ever seen a Sonic comic deployed non-ironically before.

[Morty Smith]

People should look forward to new challenges and learn from the past. But the past should never cloud your horizon or your aim.

[Silvair]

I'm not sure I've ever seen a Sonic comic deployed non-ironically before.

It got surprisingly dark and serious at times in its 20+ year run.

it's my go to reference for people being turned into robots against their will.  Relevant when discussing the Synergy ending.

 

[DFMelancholine]

"Goku Not-Shepard! You have to stop Kid Buu the Not-Reapers from destroying all life in the universe! Use the Spirit Bomb Not-Crucible!"

 

My God, they're suffering from Dragon Ball Z syndrome, where the next arc has to massively raise the stakes in comparison to the last.

 Let's not forget that the Andromeda-totally-Not-Milky-Way galaxy will probably have its own Totally-Not-Prothean type of ancient advanced civilization...

[DFMelancholine]

Even in other galaxies we are forced to be N7 soldier

 

Yep...They gotta market the game don't they!

Another thing that is pissing me off.

Bioware wants to totally remove itself from the image and characters old trilogy with this new game but at the same time they use the N7 soldier marketing image to promote the new totally unrelated and removed from Shepard's story new game...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 Let's not forget that the Andromeda-totally-Not-Milky-Way galaxy will probably have its own Totally-Not-Prothean type of ancient advanced civilization...

You mean the race known as the Remnant that the leak mentioned? 

[AlanC9]

It got surprisingly dark and serious at times in its 20+ year run.
it's my go to reference for people being turned into robots against their will.  Relevant when discussing the Synergy ending.
 

Does that actually work with anyone who isn't already a Synthesis-hating Sonic fan?

[Silvair]

Does that actually work with anyone who isn't already a Synthesis-hating Sonic fan?

So long as they're not a mindless Sonic hater/Synthesis lover, it usually gets the point across.

 

Everyone being forcibly turned into robots would be nightmarish.

[GalacticWolf5]

You're accepting two things when we agree with the Catalyst: (1) that the organic/synthetic thing is a problem; and (2) either that there is no solution (control) or that a metaphysical blender is the only solution (synthesis).

 

(1) because it is. Whether you like it or not.

(2) What? How does Control mean that there is no solution? Yeah Synthesis stops all conflict between Organics and Synthetics.

 

Choosing the either of the two means that you think the repears were basically right - they just went about it the wrong way without exploring all their options or using the right blender.

 

What's wrong with fulfulling the Reaper's purpose(Synthesis)? How is peace between Organics and Synthetics bad? The Reapers are NOT evil. They are trying to make lasting peace. From our perspective they look evil, but they're really not. They're not doing this for the sake of being evil.

 

This creates a moral problem: you're condoning by implication that where the reapers went wrong is in going to genocide first, not in going to genocide at all. The Shepardlyst takes the genocide machines to enforce galactic wide peace. Ask yourself - how would this thing interfere in the Geth-Quarian war? Extermination short of the point if wipping out either side. Do you think what the Geth did originally wasn't genocide? That's the endgame for the Shepardlyst while it tries to sort out a different solution.

 

The Reapers are actually preserving people, they're not killing everyone. Did you miss the part when the Reapers where explained?

 

Yes what the Geth did to the Quarians was pretty much genocide. They almost wiped them out.

 

How Shepard uses the Reapers depends of the player. We all have a different Shepard, if yours would start the cycles again that's your problem not mine.

 

And synthesis is just out and out genocide. It's the planned extermination of two forms of life and culture. Just because it works out pretty awesome doesn't change what it fundamentally means to pull the trigger on it.

 

No it's not. It doesn't exterminate Organics, Synthetics and their cultures. The line between the two simply disappears and everyone finally fully understand each others and can live in peace. You misunderstood Synthesis.

[dragonflight288]

 

 

Even in other galaxies we are forced to be N7 soldier

 

Actually in the Bioware blog, we are told that the N7 soldier we see in the preview is NOT the protagonist.

[GalacticWolf5]

Synthesis traps all sapient life in a living nightmare of fused flesh, against their will.  The Quarians alone would have nervous breakdowns, etc.  And its not like they are doing a fusion dance with Geth, its just Roboticizing all organics.

Because that's always just presented as such a pleasant experience.

Spoiler

 

 

 

Control has the potential to be helpful or tyrannical, but either way, its still Reaper Overlords.

Destroy is the only option that actually ends things without long lasting effects (well besides the loss of the relays causing the death of millions by stranding them.)  The synthetics can be rebuilt or recovered.

 

And here we have someone who clearly didn't understand Synthesis.

 

Synthesis doesn't turn every Organic into robots. Synthesis and your ''Roboticizer'' are two completely different things.

 

Where are you getting that Synthesised Organics and Synthetics are living nightmares?

 

About Control, what did you even try to say? What's soooo bad about having Shepard using the Reapers to protect people?

 

About Destroy, 1. It's not even a solution. 2. Synthetics can't be recovered. You can only build new ones.