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[Silvair]

 

(1) because it is. Whether you like it or not.

(2) What? How does Control mean that there is no solution? Yeah Synthesis stops all conflict between Organics and Synthetics.

 

 

What's wrong with fulfulling the Reaper's purpose(Synthesis)? How is peace between Organics and Synthetics bad? The Reapers are NOT evil. They are trying to make lasting peace. From our perspective they look evil, but they're really not. They're not doing this for the sake of being evil.

 

 

The Reapers are actually preserving people, they're not killing everyone. Did you miss the part when the Reapers where explained?

 

Yes what the Geth did to the Quarians was pretty much genocide. They almost wiped them out.

 

How Shepard uses the Reapers depends of the player. We all have a different Shepard, if yours would start the cycles again that's your problem not mine.

 

 

No it's not. It doesn't exterminate Organics, Synthetics and their cultures. The line between the two simply disappears and everyone finally fully understand each others and can live in peace. You misunderstood Synthesis.

Almost none of that made any sense.

 

The reapers are literally just slaughtering everyone and harvesting what they deemed as the "best" race of each cycle to add to their own people.  Nothing more.  They even go out of their way to be dicks about it.

 

With the geth, it was literally just Quarians throwing themselves into a blender until there wasn't anyone left to throw.  That's on top of killing THEMSELVES for those who sided with the Geth.

 

On Synthesis...how is simply turning organics into partial robots supposed to solve anything, exactly?  A better example of actual synthesis is the Geth integrating into the Quarians' suits and systems, or Legion and EDI adopting human mannerisms and habits.

 

 But Synthesis made NO sense.  All it did was give people wires and circuits.  I fail to see how that would stop any of the fighting.  If anything, it would cause MORE fighting and bigotry, as caste systems are formed around the biorganic differences, and others rebel against being forced to become what is essentially Husks.  UNLESS you are implying that it removed human nature from all organics, and replaced it with the cold logic of the synthetics.  In which case that's ALSO not a true synthesis, just turning organics into full synthetics.

It's inherently implausible for the Synthesis ending to work.  Shepard already ACHIEVED Synthesis (potentially) through the Legion/EDI interactions.

[AlanC9]

So long as they're not a mindless Sonic hater/Synthesis lover, it usually gets the point across.

Everyone being forcibly turned into robots would be nightmarish.

If you say so. I didn't even see what your point was. The two situations don't strike me as being similar enough for any analogy between the comic and the game to work. But I freely admit to having a little trouble taking the argument seriously.

[Silvair]

And here we have someone who clearly didn't understand Synthesis.

 

Synthesis doesn't turn every Organic into robots. Synthesis and your ''Roboticizer'' are two completely different things.

 

Where are you getting that Synthesised Organics and Synthetics are living nightmares?

 

About Control, what did you even try to say? What's soooo bad about having Shepard using the Reapers to protect people?

 

About Destroy, 1. It's not even a solution. 2. Synthetics can't be recovered. You can only build new ones.

You don't understand Synthesis, either, neither did the writers.  All it showed/told was it would "erase the lines", and all it showed was integrating wires and circuitry into organics.  Nothing more.  Most people would be FREAKING OUT at suddenly being turned into what they were fighting for their life against.  More than anything else, all Synthesis did was further illustrate how the Reapers and Catalyst fail to comprehend the distinctions between organics and synthetics, individuality, and personal relationships, which has been an ongoing flaw throughout the series.

And if it affected their minds, that's even worse, as I just said.

Well, if its Renegade Shepard, then its just the Reapers all over again, and if its Paragon, its still living in fear of him going Renegade.  It's not like you could REJECT the "help" of a reaper fleet.

 

On Destroy, it is the ORIGINAL solution: Defeat/Destroy the reapers.  It's what you'd been striving for the entire trilogy.  The synthetics are a necessary sacrifice, but they can literally just be remade under the same parameters they were originally.  And since it functions like a wave, I'm willing to bet a few were in shielded areas, or simply outside the range of, and spared from what amounted to a mass EMP wave.  They wouldn't be EXACTLY the same, but they could easily be simply retaught what they learned through recordings and such.

[GalacticWolf5]

Almost none of that made any sense.

 

How so?

 

With the geth, it was literally just Quarians throwing themselves into a blender until there wasn't anyone left to throw.  That's on top of killing THEMSELVES for those who sided with the Geth.

 

Oh I never said the opposite. I know that the Geth acted in self-defense. But they still almost wiped out the Quarians.

 

On Synthesis...how is simply turning organics into partial robots supposed to solve anything, exactly?  A better example of actual synthesis is the Geth integrating into the Quarians' suits and systems, or Legion and EDI adopting human mannerisms and habits.

 

 But Synthesis made NO sense.  All it did was give people wires and circuits.  I fail to see how that would stop any of the fighting.  If anything, it would cause MORE fighting and bigotry, as caste systems are formed around the biorganic differences, and others rebel against being forced to become what is essentially Husks.  UNLESS you are implying that it removed human nature from all organics, and replaced it with the cold logic of the synthetics.

 

This all we know about Synthesis.

Spoiler

What more do you expect me to tell you?

[DFMelancholine]

You mean the race known as the Remnant that the leak mentioned? 

  Yes and no.Because we are not entirely sure if the leak is 100% true.

So far, the location is true.(Andromeda)

Even if it's not, I am 100% sure we'll be seeing some kind of ancient advanced civilization whether they are called Remnants or whatever.

When I read the leak post and read about those Remnants...to be honest I had a crazy crackpot theory which I posted in this forum.What if the Remnants were indeed...Protheans who found their way to Andromeda?That could be an interesting twist.

Anywaym if they indeed pull that trope, I hope they make it interesting at least.Because it is an overused trope...

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Is there any other series where the ending was so bad, and the writers so inept that rather than try and work with the setting, they throw up their hands say "screw it" and move to a new galaxy?

If they're gonna just abandon the entire Milky Way, then there was no reason not to change the endings entirely. And of they want to claim artistic integrity they shouldn't have abandoned ship.

 

Ahhhhhhh, even if the endings were done in a way that was popular, they would still involve sweeping changes on a galatic scale. Even with the destory option. I fail to see how they could continue if they wanted to avoid making any one ending canon.

 

The ending really wasn't that bad. It wasn't so much poorly written as lame and not living up to the hype.

[dragonflight288]

Ahhhhhhh, even if the endings were done in a way that was popular, they would still involve sweeping changes on a galatic scale. Even with the destory option. I fail to see how they could continue if they wanted to avoid making any one ending canon.

 

The ending really wasn't that bad. It wasn't so much poorly written as lame and not living up to the hype.

 

Or the promise that there wouldn't be an a, b or c ending. 

[GalacticWolf5]

Well, if its Renegade Shepard, then its just the Reapers all over again, and if its Paragon, its still living in fear of him going Renegade.  It's not like you could REJECT the "help" of a reaper fleet.

 

1. Renegade Shepard doesn't continue the cycles, unless you decide that your Shepard will at some point. But the epilogue shows that he won't for some time. Plus, why would he even start the cycles for? He has no reason to, unlike the Catalyst.

 

2. That's a really really bad argument. So bad that it made me laugh. If you fear that your own Paragon Shepard would go Renegade that's your problem. My Paragon Shepard won't.

 

3. Yes. It depends of your Shepard. A really nice Shepard could accept the fact that there is no need for the Reapers in the situation.

[Silvair]

1. Renegade Shepard doesn't continue the cycles, unless you decide that your Shepard will at some point. But the epilogue shows that he won't for some time. Plus, why would he even start the cycles for? He has no reason to, unlike the Catalyst.

 

2. That's a really really bad argument. So bad that it made me laugh. If you fear that your own Paragon Shepard would go Renegade that's your problem. My Paragon Shepard won't.

 

3. Yes. It depends of your Shepard. A really nice Shepard could accept the fact that there is no need for the Reapers in the situation.

1) Renegade Shep didn't have a real reason for HALF the dickish stuff he does.  A Renegade Overlord Shep could just decide to slaughter a planet for the lulz.

 

2) Not me. I'm pointing out the logic that most people would still be inherently terrified of reapers, especially people who weren't personally familiar with Shepard, or totally unaware/in disbelief that Shepard controls them now.  Think about out it.  These beings that just wiped out most of the galaxy, suddenly stop and start fixing things? who WOULDN'T be incredibly unnerved and suspicious?

 

3)  Ties back into 2.  Remember, this isn't really Shepard, its a Shepard/Catalyst/Reaper fusion, who doesn't even identify as Shepard anymore, but as a new gestalt entity.  It's more likely that the ReaperShep would simply do whatever he thought best, only in a nonaggressive manner, but extremely unlikely that the Reapers would simply "stop" just because locals asked him to.  Shepard did whatever they wanted/thought best, regardless of locals, even as a human.

 

 

 

 

I mean, even the Extended Cut, most of it, just didn't make ANY sense once you applied any miniscule amount of logic to it.

 

Actually there's a trope for this:  Fridge Logic/Fridge Horror.

[GalacticWolf5]

1) Renegade Shep didn't have a real reason for HALF the dickish stuff he does.  A Renegade Overlord Shep could just decide to slaughter a planet for the lulz.

 

2) Not me. I'm pointing out the logic that most people would still be inherently terrified of reapers, especially people who weren't personally familiar with Shepard, or totally unaware/in disbelief that Shepard controls them now.  Think about out it.  These beings that just wiped out most of the galaxy, suddenly stop and start fixing things? who WOULDN'T be incredibly unnerved and suspicious?

 

3)  Ties back into 2.  Remember, this isn't really Shepard, its a Shepard/Catalyst/Reaper fusion, who doesn't even identify as Shepard anymore, but as a new gestalt entity.  It's more likely that the ReaperShep would simply do whatever he thought best, only in a nonaggressive manner, but extremely unlikely that the Reapers would simply "stop" just because locals asked him to.  Shepard did whatever they wanted/thought best, regardless of locals, even as a human.

 

I mean, even the Extended Cut, most of it, just didn't make ANY sense once you applied any miniscule amount of logic to it.

 

Actually there's a trope for this:  Fridge Logic/Fridge Horror.

 

1. True. Anyways, it all comes down to what you think your Shepard would do.

 

2. I know that people won't trust this right away. It will take time, but eventually they do (as seen in the epilogue). Also, Shepard can simply tell them that it's him. They might not believe it right away but they will.

 

3. It is Shepard. It's explained in the ending that Shepard replaces the Catalyst and that only is corporeal form is dissolved. His mind is uploaded to become the new Reaper master consciousness. He definitly changed (who wouldn't after receiving so much knowledge), but it's still Shepard. Think of it like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen.

 

The EC makes sense. Especially with Leviathan DLC.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually in the Bioware blog, we are told that the N7 soldier we see in the preview is NOT the protagonist.

Bioware earlier also said that we will have something to do with N7 though. 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

bioware is distancing themselves from the old mass erect games because they know they screwed the pooch when not screwing the pooch mattered the most.

 

now whats your favorite color?

[Daerog]

Hmmm... Dr. Manhattan isn't that great of a point to use. When Doctor Manhattan came to be, he was no longer Dr. Osterman. He pretended to continue being that person who died, but while it was his will/essence/soul that continued through Doctor Manhattan, the blue superhero stopped being Dr. Osterman and became something far, far different. He could barely relate to people, or just surpassed them, and I would think the same for Control Shepard, that while it is Shepard now, it won't be Shepard as s/he would be if s/he stayed human, that Shepard is something completely different now, even if the initial "programming" is the same, it may not last in the future. Similar to how the big blue guy decided to go play god somewhere else in the universe. Shepard is very different when becoming the Reaper Regent.

 

I find Destruction the only tolerable ending for myself, as making oneself supreme dictator of the galaxy seems so wrong, even if the intentions are initially good.

 

(and Synthesis is just complete bs)

[dreamgazer]

now whats your favorite color?

 

Dunno. Either red ...

 

 

... or blue.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dunno. Either red ...

 

*snip*

 

... or blue.

 

*snip*

This post after reading Star Wars stuff made me think of this.

[Hazegurl]

1) Renegade Shep didn't have a real reason for HALF the dickish stuff he does.  A Renegade Overlord Shep could just decide to slaughter a planet for the lulz.

That's hardly an accurate portrayal of Renegade Shepard.  Nearly every renegade choice had a reason behind it.  It was usually either the most efficient move or an decision that guaranteed results.  Most Paragon choices were based on luck and hope.  Overall, both Renegade and Paragon Shepard did what they thought was best for the galaxy.  I doubt Renegade Shepard would just start blowing up planets for the heck of it.  Even if he is on an overlord power trip, he'll have a reason for his actions, he just won't care about you feel about it.

 

 

As for my ending. Destroy and MEHEM (Which is basically destroy) are my choices.  Immortal overlord Shepard sounds fun though.

[Silvair]

Hmmm... Dr. Manhattan isn't that great of a point to use. When Doctor Manhattan came to be, he was no longer Dr. Osterman. He pretended to continue being that person who died, but while it was his will/essence/soul that continued through Doctor Manhattan, the blue superhero stopped being Dr. Osterman and became something far, far different. He could barely relate to people, or just surpassed them, and I would think the same for Control Shepard, that while it is Shepard now, it won't be Shepard as s/he would be if s/he stayed human, that Shepard is something completely different now, even if the initial "programming" is the same, it may not last in the future. Similar to how the big blue guy decided to go play god somewhere else in the universe. Shepard is very different when becoming the Reaper Regent.

 

I find Destruction the only tolerable ending for myself, as making oneself supreme dictator of the galaxy seems so wrong, even if the intentions are initially good.

 

(and Synthesis is just complete bs)

Exactly.  Shepard becomes something else entirely, detached and above what he intended to protect.

 

Synthesis really is just "space magic" because there isn't an ounce of logic or sense in it.

 

 

That's hardly an accurate portrayal of Renegade Shepard.  Nearly every renegade choice had a reason behind it.  It was usually either the most efficient move or an decision that guaranteed results.  Most Paragon choices were based on luck and hope.  Overall, both Renegade and Paragon Shepard did what they thought was best for the galaxy.  I doubt Renegade Shepard would just start blowing up planets for the heck of it.  Even if he is on an overlord power trip, he'll have a reason for his actions, he just won't care about you feel about it.

 

 

As for my ending. Destroy and MEHEM (Which is basically destroy) are my choices.  Immortal overlord Shepard sounds fun though.

 

Really? renegade shep torture tasers a mechanic, just shoves some poor sap out a skyscraper window (even the squadmates go what the hell), and sent a volus to his death because its funny.  Most of the renegade options are there JUST because being a dick is funny, but a lot of them were totally unnecessary.

[AlanC9]

2) Not me. I'm pointing out the logic that most people would still be inherently terrified of reapers, especially people who weren't personally familiar with Shepard, or totally unaware/in disbelief that Shepard controls them now. Think about out it. These beings that just wiped out most of the galaxy, suddenly stop and start fixing things? who WOULDN'T be incredibly unnerved and suspicious?.

I don't see a serious problem here. If some cluster doesn't want the Reapers rebuilding the local relay, let them become a pathetic backwater. After a millenium or two it'll all sort out.

I'm also not sure what's wrong with Shepard being detached and above what he's protecting.

[Artemis_Entrari]

It's funny, TBH.

 

See, the problem is that when Bioware did the endings, almost everyone had a butthurt

 

But now that the Endings are disconsidered, the same people are angry because of it.

 

You can't make people happy...

 

Someone else who doesn't seem to understand what the "butthurt" is about.  It's been said already in this thread numerous times that the issue is that everything that happened in the trilogy is being wiped clean, not just the ending.  A person can hate the ending and still love 95% of the rest of the series.  That 95% is what people are disappointed about seeing wiped clean, yet you're the second person to pull out the "lol people hate the endings and now cry because they're not being used" thing.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Exactly.  Shepard becomes something else entirely, detached and above what he intended to protect.

 

Synthesis really is just "space magic" because there isn't an ounce of logic or sense in it.

 

 

 

Really? renegade shep torture tasers a mechanic, just shoves some poor sap out a skyscraper window (even the squadmates go what the hell), and sent a volus to his death because its funny.  Most of the renegade options are there JUST because being a dick is funny, but a lot of them were totally unnecessary.

 

Renegade shep electrocuted a mechanic working on a gunship which you fight shortly afterwards as a boss fight. He didn't do it for fun, he did it to weaken an enemy he was about to fight. The other two examples are just being cruel for amusement but thats just two examples. For the most part, Renegade sheps actions are just ruthless actions vs badguys because its quick.

 

 

Someone else who doesn't seem to understand what the "butthurt" is about.  It's been said already in this thread numerous times that the issue is that everything that happened in the trilogy is being wiped clean, not just the ending.  A person can hate the ending and still love 95% of the rest of the series.  That 95% is what people are disappointed about seeing wiped clean, yet you're the second person to pull out the "lol people hate the endings and now cry because they're not being used" thing.

 

But thats just it, nothing in the original ending is being wiped clean. We are not seeing the aftermath but that doesn't mean those events didn't happen.

[GalacticWolf5]

Hmmm... Dr. Manhattan isn't that great of a point to use. When Doctor Manhattan came to be, he was no longer Dr. Osterman. He pretended to continue being that person who died, but while it was his will/essence/soul that continued through Doctor Manhattan, the blue superhero stopped being Dr. Osterman and became something far, far different. He could barely relate to people, or just surpassed them, and I would think the same for Control Shepard, that while it is Shepard now, it won't be Shepard as s/he would be if s/he stayed human, that Shepard is something completely different now, even if the initial "programming" is the same, it may not last in the future. Similar to how the big blue guy decided to go play god somewhere else in the universe. Shepard is very different when becoming the Reaper Regent.

I find Destruction the only tolerable ending for myself, as making oneself supreme dictator of the galaxy seems so wrong, even if the intentions are initially good.

(and Synthesis is just complete bs)

I didn't say they were the same. I just said they went through a similar situation.

They are actually quite different. Dr. Manhattan is pretty much a god now. Shepard isn't.

Manhattan changed waayyy more than Shepard.

Manhattan has a non-linear perception of time, he sees the past, present and future simultaneously. He is immensely powerful and seemingly invulnerable to all harm. He has complete awareness of and control over atomic and subatomic particles. He can alter his body's size, coloration, density, and strength. He does not need food, water, or air, and is, for all intents and purposes, immortal. He can teleport himself and others over great (even interplanetary and perhaps interstellar) distances. He is able to phase any part of his body through solid objects without damaging them, produce multiple copies of himself which function independently of each other, project destructive energy, disintegrate people, create force fields, transmute and create matter, telekinesis, reverse entropy, and, he suggests, create life and walk on the surface of the sun. All of this would definitely change someone.

Shepard is immortal. He has control of all Reapers and their troops. He possess knowledge spanning over 1 billon years. He can indoctrinate people. (I assume he can 'teleport' himself as a hologram). That's pretty much it. Of course Shepard has changed, as I've mentionned before: who wouldn't after receiving so much knowledge and becoming a Synthetic? But he's still Shepard.

Also, ''supreme dictator'' is pretty strong term. Shepard isn't a dictator if he's Paragon.

[KaiserShep]

Someone else who doesn't seem to understand what the "butthurt" is about.  It's been said already in this thread numerous times that the issue is that everything that happened in the trilogy is being wiped clean, not just the ending.  A person can hate the ending and still love 95% of the rest of the series.  That 95% is what people are disappointed about seeing wiped clean, yet you're the second person to pull out the "lol people hate the endings and now cry because they're not being used" thing.

 

In truth, I don't think it makes a lick of difference if the game takes place in Andromeda or the Milky Way. I always thought that the writers were going to send us to the fringes of the galaxy, far removed from the rest of the galaxy for whatever reason (relay system still being rebuilt or inoperable), to have us avoid all familiar places, all of which would be significantly changed based on which ending you chose and which faction you screwed over, if applicable. People were already complaining that their choices didn't matter at the end of 3; they'd just complain about this some more in this one too. I guess they always will, but I feel that the complaints would be louder because being IN the Milky Way while having all the familiar places be inaccessible would probably be seen as some sort of insult or something. 

 

I suppose that's the problem with giving us so much influence over such huge parts of galactic society, especially since we can oversee the total eradication of several species over the course of the trilogy. Ye olde Mass Effect suffered a great deal due to poor planning. 

[Silvair]

 

Renegade shep electrocuted a mechanic working on a gunship which you fight shortly afterwards as a boss fight. He didn't do it for fun, he did it to weaken an enemy he was about to fight. The other two examples are just being cruel for amusement but thats just two examples. For the most part, Renegade sheps actions are just ruthless actions vs badguys because its quick.

 

 

 

But thats just it, nothing in the original ending is being wiped clean. We are not seeing the aftermath but that doesn't mean those events didn't happen.

 

No, with Renegade Shep, he was sabotaging the gunship for practical reasons, but its HOW they did it that was obviously just "for fun".  They could have simply shot the guy or hacked the gunship (Like they did with the Eclipse's droids), but instead he picked up a high voltage tool, and made a Bond one liner while jamming it into the guys spine to listen to him scream in bloodcurdling agony for like 10 seconds straight.  Which should have alerted everyone in a 10 mile radius.

Shooting the tank below the krogan on Tuchanka is an example of ruthless efficiency, not going out of your way to impractically torture people.

 

 

In truth, I don't think it makes a lick of difference if the game takes place in Andromeda or the Milky Way. I always thought that the writers were going to send us to the fringes of the galaxy, far removed from the rest of the galaxy for whatever reason (relay system still being rebuilt or inoperable), to have us avoid all familiar places, all of which would be significantly changed based on which ending you chose and which faction you screwed over, if applicable. People were already complaining that their choices didn't matter at the end of 3; they'd just complain about this some more in this one too. I guess they always will, but I feel that the complaints would be louder because being IN the Milky Way while having all the familiar places be inaccessible would probably be seen as some sort of insult or something. 

 

I suppose that's the problem with giving us so much influence over such huge parts of galactic society, especially since we can oversee the total eradication of several species over the course of the trilogy. Ye olde Mass Effect suffered a great deal due to poor planning. 

 

No, it COULD have made no difference.  But by moving to an entirely different galaxy yet using all the same exact game resources, they shot themselves in the foot and caused all these problems.

 

It comes down to

If they wanted to keep using everything that made it Mass Effect, they shoulda stayed in the milky way.
If they wanted to do a different universe, they shoulda just dropped the Mass Effect aspect and made a new series out of it.

[Daerog]

 

 

Also, ''supreme dictator'' is pretty strong term. Shepard isn't a dictator if he's Paragon.

 

Just want to start off saying that my goal in this post is not to change anyone's mind about Shepard possibly being the great Guardian Angel of the Cosmos, which would be awesome, I just want to explain my... well, my Shepard's fear of the Control choice, I suppose.

 

Let's say Shepard is in control of the Reapers, is the unstoppable superpower who can stop wars, destroy villains, and raise up nations. How far does that power go? How far would Shepard go to do good? Would he stop pirates trying to enslave people? Would it be possible for Shepard to get misinformation from a rival Shadow Broker somehow and actually end up helping some villain make a profit when trying to stop some pirates who turned out to be mercenaries hired to take back a kidnapped child?

 

If Shepard just stands back and doesn't try to intervene in the comings and goings of the galaxy in order to not be a dictator, wouldn't Shepard be to blame for the evil s/he could stop but doesn't? It's like the problem of evil in a way. Shepard could decide to only intervene in war, but what about oppressive regimes? If Shepard intervenes in that, wouldn't s/he be interfering and controlling the different nations, and basically dictate to the galaxy what is tolerated and what isn't? Perhaps Shepard decides to barely get involved, then s/he just remains the boogey-man or the person who could do good but doesn't.

 

Shepard isn't all powerful, but is incredibly powerful, and some super villain could put Shepard in some moral dilemma, in which Shepard would be perceived as an evil monster that the galaxy must unite to fight against or something just as bad. What if Shepard becomes so disconnected with the ever changing societies and civilizations that s/he no longer relates?

 

Perhaps Shepard would just choose to shut down before things possibly get out of hand, that's a possibility, and would keep with the Paragon thing.

 

TL;DR - I used the term "dictator" because the galaxy would be at the mercy of Shepard, whether s/he is a saint or not, and if Shepard wishes to step in on matters, like a war or a regime that Shepard disapproves of, Shepard is, intentionally or not, dictating what is acceptable/tolerable in Shepard's galaxy and what isn't. Shepard may be the aloof ruler or the one involved in all matters or somewhere in between, but Shepard is the ultimate authority (outside of a religious context) in the galaxy and answers to no other (unless Shepard believes in God or something). While the term "supreme dictator" tends to invoke mustached villainy, I was going more for the basic definitions of the terms, in which case Control Shep is the Supreme Dictator.

[Avilan II]

There are at least 4 endings if you have full war score:

Destroy, Synthesis and PARAGON Control and RENEGADE Control. As you all should know by now the two versions of Control are very different from the other.

 

 

Also, I'm sure some other person has already answered the OP this but:

 

"Because they are ignoring it". That's why we are upset they are ignoring it. duh.