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[Massa FX]

I don't understand this line of thinking. There is literally an entire galaxy left to explore in the Milky Way. Less than 1% of it has been mapped and explored during the time of the original trilogy.

 

What can I say. Knowing that Earth is in the system but that I cannot go there would really make me upset. Knowing I couldn't visit Thessia... but it was in the system somewhere would put a damper on my mood, or not being able to walk through the citadel... sure would be odd. 

 

But who knows? One of the concept artwork looked a lot like The Citadel revamped. Maybe we will be able to cross over to the Milky Way. 

 

Won't know until we finish the end-game of Andromeda.

[o Ventus]

Because, as you put it, all of the precursor races younger than the reapers would've gotten genocide'd. So I suppose you could Stark Trek it, find some planet that's at a level of technological development similar to our own... but that wouldn't be a fun game, IMO. 

 

Why would one race going extinct mean that the entire planet was sterilized? Do you know how nature, life, and ecosystems work? An untold number of species here on Earth have all died out, and there are still hundreds of millions of species left.

[Mcfly616]

1. ME:A would have had four problems to deal with regardless of what canon ending it choose. Green explosion. AI genocide (so no plots centered around any technology of that kind). Actual galactic reaper genocide (in refuse). Or what the **** do we do about Shepardlyst and the army of reapers (in Control). None of that is any good as a starter.

 

2. It'd be worse if they didn't. 

 

3. If that's true, then there's absolutely nothing worth exploring in the Milky Way other than a bunch of burned out husks as planets and a plot reduced to more politicking between existing races, which leads us right back to the problem in #1. 

  1. So they don't choose a canon ending. 

 

  2. No, it wouldn't. Since you didn't bother going into detail, I won't.

 

  3. Yeah, because Reapers went around completely destroying planets, and life never evolved and continued on those planets ever again. "Politicking between existing races"? Is that as far as your imagination goes? They can tell any type of story they want within the existing setting/timeline. Instead they're running away from it. The easy way out.

 

  4. You did say there were "four problems". And then you just proceeded to state a bunch of your own opinions. "None of that is good", "it'd be worse", "there's absolutely nothing worth exploring" etc etc. Opinions. Nothing more.

[von uber]

I don't see how this is a mass effect game.
The individual mechanics are not unique to mass effect, the setting is what is. Oh and the illusion of choice.

It strikes me that this is purely a branding exercise. Sorry, it's 'franchise' isn't it. God I hate that word.

I am distinctly unexcited by this. Which is a real shame.

[o Ventus]

I am distinctly unexcited by this. Which is a real shame.

 

Me too. Even after I heard of the leaks for ME3, I was still excited to play it because I thought "hey, maybe it's not as bad as it sounds."

 

Now, I don't really want anything to do with it. I may still play it so I can have a more formal opinion on it, but I am not anxious or really holding my breath for it.

[In Exile]

Why would one race going extinct mean that the entire planet was sterilized? Do you know how nature, life, and ecosystems work? An untold number of species here on Earth have all died out, and there are still hundreds of millions of species left.

 

Maybe we're not using the term the same way. Let me put it this way: I would describe Ilos as a burned out husk. I get the feeling you wouldn't. 

 

  1. So they don't choose a canon ending. 

 

  2. No, it wouldn't. Since you didn't bother going into detail, I won't.

 

  3. Yeah, because Reapers went around completely destroying planets, and life never evolved and continued on those planets ever again. "Politicking between existing races"? Is that as far as your imagination goes? They can tell any type story they want within the existing setting/timeline.

 

1. They can't keep it in the Milky Way and not choose a canon without wasting so many resources in giving weight to each choice that basically ME4 would be a 10 hour game. 

 

2. Yes, it would.

 

3. They can't tell any type of story they want. For example, they can't tell a story where Shepard is alive alongside the geth. But more to the point, with the hard limit that the most advance precusor race in existence are the reapers, and without violating their own lore by secretly having a whole other intergalactic race of equally advanced alien species that the reapers just somehow missed, they're stuck with political games between the Council races. 

[von uber]

Oh and the other stupid thing? Virtually every single codex entry about the known species we have will reference the milky way - origins, history, biology, culture.
A place they've abandoned.


Genius.

[GalacticWolf5]

They won't use a canon ending. They already confirmed it. Stop saying that they will.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They won't use a canon ending. They already confirmed it. Stop saying that they will.

No, they chose a canon ending: "And the Milky Way will never be seen again." 

[o Ventus]

Maybe we're not using the term the same way. Let me put it this way: I would describe Ilos as a burned out husk. I get the feeling you wouldn't. 

 

"Burned out husk" implies that it is but a shell of what it used to be (let's assume a blue world with a thriving civilization or 2), probably no longer incapable of sustaining life. The planet would be, in effect, sterile, and a useless hunk of rock floating out in the universe. Ilos would not fit that bill. It's clearly capable of having living creatures inhabit it, as seen by Shepard and co. doing their thing on the ground. It's entirely likely that there are other forms of wildlife or flora on Ilos that simply aren't seen, since that entire segment of the game takes place in 1 facility.

 

It's not as if the Reapers kill every living creature on the planet when they show up, they only wipe out the sentient, advanced races. Animals, plants, and cavemen people are left behind.

[Steelcan]

No, they chose a canon ending: "And the Milky Way will never be seen again." 

"all we have are legends about the Shepard"

 

brace yourselves for that line

[In Exile]

"Burned out husk" implies that it is but a shell of what it used to be (let's assume a blue world with a thriving civilization or 2), probably no longer incapable of sustaining life. The planet would be, in effect, sterile, and a useless hunk of rock floating out in the universe. Ilos would not fit that bill. It's clearly capable of having living creatures inhabit it, as seen by Shepard and co. doing their thing on the ground. It's entirely likely that there are other forms of wildlife or flora on Ilos that simply aren't seen, since that entire segment of the game takes place in 1 facility.

 

It's not as if the Reapers kill every living creature on the planet when they show up, they only wipe out the sentient, advanced races. Animals, plants, and cavemen people are left behind.

 

We're not using the word the same way. Here is what I mean:

 

 

That's a burned out husk. We'd either get barren planets that can't support human life (and why would we be there?), empty planets that can support human life (but why would we explore planets with nothing on them?), or burned out husks. It's just the sci-fi equivalent of fantasy ruins. 

[Mcfly616]

Maybe we're not using the term the same way. Let me put it this way: I would describe Ilos as a burned out husk. I get the feeling you wouldn't. 

 

 

1. They can't keep it in the Milky Way and not choose a canon without wasting so many resources in giving weight to each choice that basically ME4 would be a 10 hour game. 

 

2. Yes, it would.

 

3. They can't tell any type of story they want. For example, they can't tell a story where Shepard is alive alongside the geth. But more to the point, with the hard limit that the most advance precusor race in existence are the reapers, and without violating their own lore by secretly having a whole other intergalactic race of equally advanced alien species that the reapers just somehow missed, they're stuck with political games between the Council races. 

Ilos was one planet dealt with in a specific manner due to its strategic importance to the Prothean Empire.

 

1. No, you just assume that they would require an import function when one is not required at all.

 

2. No. It wouldn't. 

 

3. It seems that is as far as your imagination goes. So much for a caper, thriller, revenge tale etc. Everything must boil down to "epic war vs precursor race OR politics". Gotcha.

 

 

 

  4. You did say there were "four problems" in the first post I quoted. And then you just proceeded to state a bunch of your own opinions. "None of that is good", "it'd be worse", "there's absolutely nothing worth exploring" etc etc. Opinions. Nothing more.

[o Ventus]

We're not using the word the same way. Here is what I mean:

 

 

That's a burned out husk. We'd either get barren planets that can't support human life (and why would we be there?), empty planets that can support human life (but why would we explore planets with nothing on them?), or burned out husks. It's just the sci-fi equivalent of fantasy ruins. 

 

Yeah, that's not what the Reapers do.

[guntar74]

I'm glad its moving away from it. The trilogy had its time, those characters had there stories, let other places and people shine now. To me Mass Effect was always just about being a great sci fi space rpg experiance and i don't see them moving to a diff galaxy taking away from that at all. If anything being in a new place will let them be far more creative with new races, enemies and plots. 

 

So ya i'm not pissed or dissapointed at all, looking forward to it

[Iakus]

Do people want them to try and canonize an ending? Or try to work with the mess that was ME3's finale?

 

This is better. Fresh characters, setting with the same familiar races and universe we love. This is actually exactly what I hoped for. Basically a reboot without being a reboot

 

I can only speak for myself, but:

 

1) Because galactic travel shouldn't be possible.  It would take centuries for a ship to even cross the gulf between the galaxies, let alone find a garden world (that's not already occupied).  And without a way to discharge a drive core periodically, a ship will fry itself and the crew long before that happens.

 

2) Because if galactic travel was possible, there is absolutely no reason not to think the Reapers have gone there as well.  And so we'd be stuck with harvested cycles, Crucibles, and ME3 endings.

 

3) Because it is painfully obvious why we are relocating to Andromeda.  A terrible, terrible ending that frakked with the entire galaxy and Bioware is too proud to backtrack on it.  So the only answer left is permanent exile from a galaxy containing 300 billion stars which it is feasible to reach given mass effect technology.  

 

4) Because it's abandoning the familiar touchstones of the precious games:  The Council, the Citadel, the mass relay network.  And so on.  I looked at the trailer, and I didn't see Mass Effect, I saw a scifi shooter.  Like any of a dozen others out there.  I don't understand why it's even called "Mass Effect"

[Steelcan]

I'm glad its moving away from it. The trilogy had its time, those characters had there stories, let other places and people shine now. To me Mass Effect was always just about being a great sci fi space rpg experiance and i don't see them moving to a diff galaxy taking away from that at all. If anything being in a new place will let them be far more creative with new races, enemies and plots. 

 

So ya i'm not pissed or dissapointed at all, looking forward to it

then once this trilogy runs its course we can to another whole new universe, because no one actually wants to stick around in the original setting

[o Ventus]

then once this trilogy runs its course we can to another whole new universe, because no one actually wants to stick around in the original setting

 

Well yeah, when ME: Andromeda 3 is done, not-Shepard and crew will pack up and travel into the 4th dimension.

[Oldren Shepard]

Canonize destory, other states are nonimportable

Fresh slate without deciding to abandon the galaxy

I'm glad that there aren't people like you making the new game.

[Steelcan]

I'm glad that there aren't people like you making the new game.

instead we have the person responsible for the ME3 mess and the utterly atrocious comics that followed it, and the lead writer of Halo 4 whose sole accomplishment is "Not as bad a writer as Karen Traviss"

[Silvair]

Because they are abandoning a fleshed out universe that we've become immersed in and attached to.  It didn't need to continue Shepards story or even involve the Normandy crew, but an entire other galaxy means there shouldn't be ANYTHING from the original trilogy present, which means its not really Mass Effect.

Also, as Iakus said, none of this should be possible. The mass relays were destroyed, stranding most if not all of galactic civilization in Earths solar system.  The only explanation is these are people who already were exploring/got lost outside of the Milky way before the Reaper wars.

[Oldren Shepard]

Guys, I liked the original trilogy too, and I loved the characters. But ME3 ended bad. Yeah they could canonize destroy (the best ending), but that would anger alot of people too. This is the best route, lets just get a fresh take on ME. Hopefully a more personal story too.

The best ending for you and others

[Iakus]

then once this trilogy runs its course we can to another whole new universe, because no one actually wants to stick around in the original setting

Gotta keep upping those stakes 

[KaiserShep]

I can only speak for myself, but:

 

1) Because galactic travel shouldn't be possible. 

 

Well, there is eezo, which is essentially space lyrium, and technology that can slingshot large objects across lightyears in an instant. I always wondered if that thing in the concept image was some sort of hypergate that's more advanced than the relays of the old franchise. 

[o Ventus]

Gotta keep upping those stakes 

 

"Goku Not-Shepard! You have to stop Kid Buu the Not-Reapers from destroying all life in the universe! Use the Spirit Bomb Not-Crucible!"

 

My God, they're suffering from Dragon Ball Z syndrome, where the next arc has to massively raise the stakes in comparison to the last.