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[dreamgazer]

Would it help if I said Red Son is critically acclaimed? 

It is, but as an Elseworlds installment, a line of stories deliberately treated as extravagant non-canon "what ifs".

[Il Divo]

It is, but as an Elseworlds installment, a line of stories deliberately treated as extravagant non-canon "what ifs".

 

That's true, but on the other end of the spectrum, I don't think it really matters from a canon-perspective. Canon tends to indicate a single time line that the vast majority of story lines will fall into. Ex: Jason Todd's death at the hands of the Joker and subsequent resurrection is considered canon. With Mass Effect, even with the novels, I don't think we have to worry about an overall continuity. In effect, they could call it whatever they want. Alternate universe, non canon, etc. 

 

 

On the other hand, Dark Knight Returns is else worlds and critically acclaimed...and I really hated that story line. 

[Oldren Shepard]

this isn't a controversial casting choice

 

this is taking the franchise to an entirely new galaxy because the writers are too scared/too incompetent to write a story in their own damn universe

In my ending they all achieve a level of comprehension and knowledge that seems you and i... we wont get.

[felipejiraya]

People will whine for whatever reason, that's the nature of the internet and these creatures who inhabit it.

[Mathias]

Do people want them to try and canonize an ending? Or try to work with the mess that was ME3's finale?

 

This is better. Fresh characters, setting with the same familiar races and universe we love. This is actually exactly what I hoped for. Basically a reboot without being a reboot

 

That's exactly why they did it and it's the best move they could've made. Either the people who hate it will never understand why, or maybe someday will.

 

 

The time to fix the ME3 endings was back in early 2012. They gave us the Extended Cut. That was Bioware's "fix" of the ending, whether fans liked it or not (I didn't). So there is no further fixing the ending. They made their statement and are sticking with it. But they're also realists in the sense that a lot of fans still aren't happy with how ME3 ended, and that those endings put them in a corner. This was the best course of action for them to take.

 

Hopefully those who hate the idea will eventually warm up to it. If not then goodbye. You will not be missed.

[dragonflight288]

I don't see how this is a mass effect game.
The individual mechanics are not unique to mass effect, the setting is what is. Oh and the illusion of choice.

It strikes me that this is purely a branding exercise. Sorry, it's 'franchise' isn't it. God I hate that word.

I am distinctly unexcited by this. Which is a real shame.

 

If it utilizes mass effect fields, element zero, biotics, and follows the same rules of the galaxy set by the lore in the trilogy, it is a mass effect game, but not connected to the story of Shepard, the conflict with the Reapers, and as we're going to a new galaxy, that opens many possibilities on new races and would explain why we wouldn't see old ones that may or may not have died out thanks to our choices.

 

I will be neither unimpressed or impressed with the concept until the game itself is released and I see for myself the quality of writing that would explain how humans traveled to another galaxy, and then, and only then, will I make my judgement. 

 

I won't call it crappy writing or even a reboot based on one single video that doesn't even show the protagonist but will probably be a companion or an important NPC and a whole lot of speculation on our part. 

 

It's kind of like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. It's set in the Star Wars universe, with the Force, turbo-lasers and lightsabers, but since it takes place 4000 years before A New Hope, it opens us to individual and unique stories and characters that have absolutely nothing to do with the movies. 

 

If it's in the same universe and follows the same basic rules of the Mass Effect universe, it can work based on the quality of the writing. 

 

I'm sorry you're unexcited, but at the same time, it's not a really big deal either. Like I said, so far we only had one video and the confirmation that we're going to be in another galaxy and will likely be playing a human, and that's really all we know about it. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well I have to say it. By putting this one out in Andromeda, the writers finally admitted that the ending to Mass Effect 3 was absolute crap and that there was no way to write out of it without throwing away the entire Milky Way Galaxy and all of the works of Drew and all the other writers. Less than 5 minutes of the entire story did that - the conversation with Starbrat in the Original Ending. The ironic part? Faced with choosing Red, Green, or Blue themselves, the writers choked and wouldn't even choose their own refuse.

[The Arbiter]

Do people want them to try and canonize an ending? Or try to work with the mess that was ME3's finale?

 

This is better. Fresh characters, setting with the same familiar races and universe we love. This is actually exactly what I hoped for. Basically a reboot without being a reboot

what do you call a reboot that is not actually a reboot? - A RESTART. you are welcome

[The Arbiter]

Well I have to say it. By putting this one out in Andromeda, the writers finally admitted that the ending to Mass Effect 3 was absolute crap and that there was no way to write out of it without throwing away the entire Milky Way Galaxy and all of the works of Drew and all the other writers. Less than 5 minutes of the entire story did that - the conversation with Starbrat in the Original Ending. The ironic part? Faced with choosing Red, Green, or Blue themselves, the writers choked and wouldn't even choose their own refuse.

I really like your explanations on all threads. Short but spot on

[Rawgrim]

Given what happens to the relays at the end of ME3, it just feels messy and forced. The franchise and the lore\story took a huge hit. Simply handwaving it away won't fix anything.

[The Arbiter]

It's funny how this is going to be distorted as negative eventually... and shot down. Watch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nevermind. Speak of the devil.

I LAUGHED SO HARD

[The Elder King]

Seriously. They got Steel and David to agree. What the hell.

We're Probably near an apocalypse .

[CrazyRah]

 

 

 

 

Seriously. They got Steel and David to agree. What the hell.

 

 

That's disturbing and terrifying. Something is so very, very wrong

[Dr. Rush]

Because emotionally immature people don't know how to let go of things they enjoy. It is called an illusion of permanence. The idea that things that make you happy will last forever and be permanent. 

 

People can't accept the idea that something that they really enjoyed has a definite ending and its really, officially over, forever. So instead of appreciating what they had and moving on, they wail and gnash their teeth about how its never supposed to end.

 

People say this all the time. They want post-ending content and epilogues that go on for another 20 hours. People said at the end of the ME3 "I just want my blue babies with Liara." or "i just want to live on Rannoch with Tali" or "I just want to see Shep get up from the rubble and prove that he/she is still alive!"

 

I think gamers are mature enough to handle gore and nudity, but I don't think they are emotionally mature enough to play games that are really immersive, and when they are over, be able to let go.

 

These people can't let go, they don't want to, they want to cling to their illusions of permanence, that everything they love will last forever.

[Dr. Rush]

I think you're projecting everyone as Shepard centric. If that was the case, I can understand not clinging. Shepard is just one person. 

 

I don't know how you could look at the previous galaxy in such a trivial way though. As if people who liked it are a bad thing. "How dare you be attached to millions of lights of years of space...and civiliation... you're immature for not forgetting about trilllions of people and all the fun lore and backstory that binds us as fans."

 

You're talking about people who like the series. Why is that a grounds to insult them? I mean, wouldn't be cooler to call out people who don't like Mass Effect at all? Is this what this series has come to? Where even fans of the VERY SAME THING clash now? It's schizophrenic.

To be clear, I was responding to the thread title, referring to the people who are pissed about leaving the old trilogy behind. Not all ME fans, just the ones who can't let go. There is nothing wrong with loving ME, I sure do, but people need to be able to let go. And despite 3+ years passing since ME3 ended, many people still can't. Thats not an insult, its a psychiatric evaluation. People need to learn to let go, its a part of all life, Mass Effect is no exception. 

[wright1978]

Yeah i agree with OP. Given the trainwreck that ME3 left them with, a fresh start seems the least bad of the available options.

[The Big Red One]

Are they? I got the impression that this was the most logical and sensible choice, given that the new game is taking place in future. Just some mentions of Shepard and his mates here and there and I'll be content.

[SolNebula]

The Old Trilogy is dead! Long live Mass Effect........I guess

[Arcian]

Do people want them to try and canonize an ending?

People want them to completely ignore all of the endings and just go with a basic "Shepard defeated the Reapers, the end"-scenario, which allows for the Milky Way to continue as a setting without having to accomodate for genocide, a dictatorship or a galaxy-wide technorape of every living being.

Of course, as long as Super MAC is still in a position of power at BioWare, there's no way his vaunted endings will be declared non-canon.

[wright1978]

People want them to completely ignore all of the endings and just go with a basic "Shepard defeated the Reapers, the end"-scenario, which allows for the Milky Way to continue as a setting without having to accomodate for genocide, a dictatorship or a galaxy-wide technorape of every living being.

Of course, as long as Super MAC is still in a position of power at BioWare, there's no way his vaunted endings will be declared non-canon.

 

Which is canonising, just canonising a choice not in the games.

[Arcian]

i'm truly glad of what they're making so far and what they could accomplish, you and others are like the people complain about when choosing Heath Ledger for the joker.
 
you would want to be something like this the end

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The difference was that Heath Ledger was a really talented actor and literally no one objects to that fact after TDK... and Pacific Rim was awesome, how dare you?!

[The Elder King]

The fact is that There are a lot of people Who wanted Andromeda/leave the MW, and people Who wanted to remain in MW and don't go to Andromeda. There was no actual right choice that would satisfy everyone.

I personally saw pro and cons in Both approaches, as well as the possibility of Bioware screwing things up. I hope they won't drop the ball.