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[The Elder King]

well Weekes is in DA, Dumbrow just came back, Walters is in an advising capacity, and Hudson is gone.
That leaves only junior members of the writing staff, like the guy who wrote Miranda and Grunt in ME3

I was referring actually to Walters and others outside the writing team. It is a big decision after all.

[Aolbain]

FTFY.

 

Hahahahano.

[tevix]

To me the relays were basically chekov's guns, they served a big purpose for the reaper invasion story but not much more. Including them but not interweaving them into a plot seems a bit pointless, imo. It's like saying Star Wars isn't Star Wars without a death star.

It's more like star wars isn't star wars without the force.

[Torgette]

It's more like star wars isn't star wars without the force.

 

I guess I missed the part where the trailer said nobody would be using mass effect drives & fields.

[Clayless]

It's the pinnacle as far as we know it. We barely figure out the Crucible ourselves... some people's Shepard's even retarded enough to wipe everyone out with one. 

 

And this guy in the trailer is wielding a Carnifex. It doesn't seem like they're that badass yet. It doesn't blend well with suddenly trumping the Reapers...

 

Well no, it wasn't really the pinnacle as far as we know it. The relays were always a big sign that technology had stalemated deliberately for a specific purpose, they were always a sign that the Reapers wanted technology to go down a specific path. They fufilled a purpose, but it was no where near the pinnacle of technology. Even in the series it was highly implied the Crucible was more advanced due to actually having civilisations working on it over millenia, rather than not advancing like the relays.

Pretty sure people trumped the Reapers when everyone was wielding Carnifex's. Don't mistake "more advanced" with "badass".

[Arcian]

Hahahahano.

The Leviathan of Dis was a billion year old Reaper, thereby making the Reapers more than a billion years old. Stop being ignorant.

[tevix]

I guess I missed the part where the trailer said nobody would be using mass effect drives & fields.

Using it but pretending it's history doesn't exist?  That's a fine line that doesn't encourage confidence.

[Clayless]

Using it but pretending it's history doesn't exist?  That's a fine line that doesn't encourage confidence.

 

They said they're pretending it's history doesn't exist?

Source?

[Clayless]

I'm not saying pinnacle in the whole universe or theoretically. I just mean as far as the setting was concerned so far.... in the timeline we were at. The Reapers were more advanced than anything... to the point where they seemed like gods. That's what the whole trilogy was basically about. Fighting the impossible. 

 

Now they're suddenly nothing. Trivial bullshit. Ho hum.

 

Well no they're not suddenly nothing. That's like saying the steam engine is suddenly nothing because we've advanced past it. That's not accurate, the steam engine changed the world. It was huge.

By the looks of getting to Andromeda we've advanced past the Reapers in at least one way, which is inter-galactic travel. That doesn't mean the Reapers were suddenly nothing, that just means technology has advanced.
 

Whether humans somehow researched this advancement themselves... or they discovered yet another "ancient tech" creates new questions. I'm not just going to not ask these questions and go about my merry way. I like to know how a sci-fi setting works. How did humans improve on it so quickly, when they barely understand the same tech in the Crucible.

 

And if it's ancient tech, then that's something i especially don't want to hear. If there was someone more advanced than the Reapers, then it's yet another faction and end-of-the-world predicament we might have to work against. And why didn't they stop the Reapers in the first place.

 

Most likely, given that this takes place long after the events of the original trilogy, the galaxy just advanced themselves. Without being stalemated by the Reaper trap, the galaxy was actually given a chance to evolve and advance.

That'd be my best guess, and I'd say it seems most likely (or something from Andromeda got them there), though I'm 100% sure we'll find out in ME:A.

[Silvair]

If it utilizes mass effect fields, element zero, biotics, and follows the same rules of the galaxy set by the lore in the trilogy, it is a mass effect game, but not connected to the story of Shepard, the conflict with the Reapers, and as we're going to a new galaxy, that opens many possibilities on new races and would explain why we wouldn't see old ones that may or may not have died out thanks to our choices.

 

I will be neither unimpressed or impressed with the concept until the game itself is released and I see for myself the quality of writing that would explain how humans traveled to another galaxy, and then, and only then, will I make my judgement. 

 

I won't call it crappy writing or even a reboot based on one single video that doesn't even show the protagonist but will probably be a companion or an important NPC and a whole lot of speculation on our part. 

 

It's kind of like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. It's set in the Star Wars universe, with the Force, turbo-lasers and lightsabers, but since it takes place 4000 years before A New Hope, it opens us to individual and unique stories and characters that have absolutely nothing to do with the movies. 

 

If it's in the same universe and follows the same basic rules of the Mass Effect universe, it can work based on the quality of the writing. 

 

I'm sorry you're unexcited, but at the same time, it's not a really big deal either. Like I said, so far we only had one video and the confirmation that we're going to be in another galaxy and will likely be playing a human, and that's really all we know about it. 

KOTOR is a terrible example.

4k years before, yet everything is exactly the same for no reason?  Why is star wars so stagnant?!

 

No, the issue here is, its an entirely separate galaxy from mass effect, in an entirely different era, i'm assuming, so there's literally NO reason for it to resemble the setting of mass effect at all, hence no reason to call it mass effect, so forcing it to use mass effect tech anyway just for the sake of brand recognition is just awkward and insulting, when they could have kept it in the setting of the milky way if they wanted to truly continue Mass Effect.

 

As is, they wanted to start a new series but kept the name "Mass effect" for marketing.

 

 

 

This has NOTHING to do with Shepard or the ME3 ending.  They could have set it before Shepard, during the 20 years of human colonization and expansion after the first contact war.  They could have set it during the two years Shepard was dead.  Or they could have set it anytime during ME's 1 and 2, pre reaper invasion, and just had no real mention of Shepards exploits, but kept the setting.

 

Instead, we get a bad omen of poor writing in the future by nonsensically having Milky Way tech, military rankings, people, and buildings, in an entirely different galaxy.

 

I was initially excited by the trailer, but the moment I applied logic, it all fell apart.  Its supposed to be about colonizing and human expansion, but it doesn't make sense either way.  Either its pre reaper war incase SOMEBODYS an idiot for winding up in a different galaxy, or its post reaper war, in which case, how did they get that far without mass relays?  You can't even explore your OWN galaxy without them.

[Lady Artifice]

I was initially excited by the trailer, but the moment I applied logic, it all fell apart.  Its supposed to be about colonizing and human expansion, but it doesn't make sense either way.  Either its pre reaper war incase SOMEBODYS an idiot for winding up in a different galaxy, or its post reaper war, in which case, how did they get that far without mass relays?  You can't even explore your OWN galaxy without them.

 

But you're applying logic without knowing all the details of the plot. There will almost certainly be an explanation provided in game. It might end up being a hand wave, but we don't know enough yet to safely assume that it will be. 

 

One thing I don't understand, which might be just my failing to grasp implications in the lore, but doesn't the true origins of the mass relays mean that they could be anywhere, any galaxy, that the Reapers have been? 

[tevix]

 

 

...I was initially excited by the trailer, but the moment I applied logic, it all fell apart...

That seems to have become a running problem for ME since #2.

[von uber]

Yes. Which means the ending choices must also be there.

However how can you have humans in andromeda unaffected by the endings? You either have an omnipotent machine god overlooking everyone, everyone greeny goo or imply by default it's a destroy ending.
And if you do that, why leave the milky way?

[Silvair]

I'm not saying pinnacle in the whole universe or theoretically. I just mean as far as the setting was concerned so far.... in the timeline we were at. The Reapers were more advanced than anything... to the point where they seemed like gods. That's what the whole trilogy was basically about. Fighting the impossible. 

 

Now they're suddenly nothing. Trivial bullshit. Ho hum.

 

Whether humans somehow researched this advancement themselves... or they discovered yet another "ancient tech" creates new questions. I'm not just going to not ask these questions and go about my merry way. I like to know how a sci-fi setting works. How did humans improve on it so quickly, when they barely understand the same tech in the Crucible.

 

And if it's ancient tech, then that's something i especially don't want to hear. If there was someone more advanced than the Reapers, then it's yet another faction and end-of-the-world predicament we might have to work against. And why didn't they stop the Reapers in the first place.

they'll probably just pull a bs "Humans are so special and unique and figured it out and went beyond reapers" which then raises the question of why the tech is still exactly the same if they supposedly advanced beyond reapers?

 

 

In that case, I'm gonna wonder just how long that is then. Because you can wipe out everything.... literally bring it down to an almost primordial state, except whoever is on the Normandy. In which case, it'll play out like Lord of the Flies for awhile. Then incremental construction attempts.. failures, rinse, repeat... then full fledged agriculture and politics and forging metals.. Just how long is this gonna take? Surpassing Reapers from this standpoint is a lofty goal indeed.

 

Not to mention that history will get distorted over time.. and even Shepard might be seen as a religious figure. Maybe by the time the "Stargazer" plays out, it's been thousands of years, but he still "mystifies" Shepard as an "ideal". "The Shepard". People this stupid aren't going to make leaps in science. So then we're going to have a skeptic movement to counteract it... and probably some wars... and then maybe some science.

Exactly.  It just doesn't add up.

 

 

But you're applying logic without knowing all the details of the plot. There will almost certainly be an explanation provided in game. It might end up being a hand wave, but we don't know enough yet to safely assume that it will be. 

 

One thing I don't understand, which might be just my failing to grasp implications in the lore, but doesn't the true origins of the mass relays mean that they could be anywhere, any galaxy, that the Reapers have been? 

 I'm applying logic in that its a sign any writing or details they come up with is just gonna cause more problems.

Like how you just mentioned Reapers can be in any galaxy?  Well then that implies ME3 didn't destroy the reapers, only dealt with the Milky Way ones.  Which is opening a whole other can of worms.  If they could be in any galaxy, they likely would have a different fleet of reapers for every galaxy, doing the cycle of extinction in every galaxy.

[Iakus]

But you're applying logic without knowing all the details of the plot. There will almost certainly be an explanation provided in game. It might end up being a hand wave, but we don't know enough yet to safely assume that it will be. 

 

One thing I don't understand, which might be just my failing to grasp implications in the lore, but doesn't the true origins of the mass relays mean that they could be anywhere, any galaxy, that the Reapers have been? 

A pity a game supposedly rich in narrative and lore and such decided an awesome-button trailer was the way to get people interested in the game 

 

As for the lore implications, here's a few:

 

If travel to Andromeda was done with a relay, then yes, not only is it possible there are Reapers there, but so is RGB, since it traveled through the relays.

 

If it was done via standard ftl, then yes, it is likely that Reapers are there, as they have superior ftl drives and can go anywhere the other races of the galaxy can, and get there faster.

 

If Andromeda was reached using a new form of ftl with a longer range and safer for passangers, then the galaxy has managed to surpass the technology of billion+ year old Space Cthulhu in, what a few centuries?

[Reever]

Well, in either case, somebody IS going to be butthurt. I think they chose the easy way out and it's also a fresh start, full of new possibilities!

 

As I said in another thread, they still have time to go back to the original trilogy and canonize an ending (and then the butthurt will be enormous...if anybody still cares by then ).

[tevix]

A pity a game supposedly rich in narrative and lore and such decided an awesome-button trailer was the way to get people interested in the game 

 

As for the lore implications, here's a few:

 

If travel to Andromeda was done with a relay, then yes, not only is it possible there are Reapers there, but so is RGB, since it traveled through the relays.

 

If it was done via standard ftl, then yes, it is likely that Reapers are there, as they have superior ftl drives and can go anywhere the other races of the galaxy can, and get there faster.

 

If Andromeda was reached using a new form of ftl with a longer range and safer for passangers, then the galaxy has managed to surpass the technology of billion+ year old Space Cthulhu in, what a few centuries?

I cannot like this post enough.

[Lady Artifice]

Okay, I see what you're all saying. What I'm saying is that the reach of the whichever ending was selected might not effect a distant galaxy the same way that it did the Milky Way. They might be using ancient, dormant Mass Relays this time and jumpstarting them, or they might have just managed to recreate a Mass Relay for the first time in ever, after centuries of trying. It would still be technology taken from billion+ year old space Cthulu.

 

The explanation that the story provides might be perfectly reasonable in context. Of course it's not going to be hard science or hold water against careful scrutiny, but that's been the way of this technology from the beginning. It's always been space magic, so that's probably what we should expect this time around as well. 

 

I've been assuming that traces of inactive Reaper tech would linger, even if they themselves are destroyed. 

[Clayless]

In that case, I'm gonna wonder just how long that is then. Because you can wipe out everything.... literally bring it down to an almost primordial state, except whoever is on the Normandy. In which case, it'll play out like Lord of the Flies for awhile. Then incremental construction attempts.. failures, rinse, repeat... then full fledged agriculture and politics and forging metals.. Just how long is this gonna take? Surpassing Reapers from this standpoint is a lofty goal indeed.

 

Not to mention that history will get distorted over time.. and even Shepard might be seen as a religious figure. Maybe by the time the "Stargazer" plays out, it's been thousands of years, but he still "mystifies" Shepard as an "ideal". "The Shepard". People this stupid aren't going to make leaps in science. So then we're going to have a skeptic movement to counteract it... and probably some wars... and then maybe some science.

 

Literally none of the endings, bar refuse which doesn't actually count as completing the game, do that. You could say Destroy with low ems, but even then that's an exageration.

I can't really comment on anything in your post because it's all headcanon. It'll be nullified by actual canon, which will be "It takes place X long after the original trilogy, and X is what happened after the events of the original trilogy". All your stuff about rinse repeat and skeptic movements is just taking place in your imagination, even the "people this stupid" thing. There's nothing anyone can say to you there, because your imagination will trump anything anyone says.

[Clayless]

Someone who calls a mere man or a woman "The Shepard" IS stupid. Especially in my case.. when Shepard was basically just a soldier, with really bad social skills.

 

If he's indicative of their culture, then they're probably failing at having any institutions that champion critical thinking on these remarkable levels you wish to give to them so quickly.

 

As for the rest, that's how civilization develops. People rely on competitive behavior and hunting at their most basic. Then move on to agriculture and building communities (and in turn, housing said communities..which takes construction and developing the necessary stone, wood, and metal working skills along the way). And so and so on forth. This isn't headcanon. It's just anthropology. You can't jump to godlike levels when you start off with basically nothing.

 

I'm totally willing to hear things out.. It's why I'm talking to you. But I can't control how my mind brainstorms how these situations play out. To quote Lewis Black... "See...... I have 'thoughts'".

 

If I'm understanding you correctly you're saying new beliefs, or religions in general, is a sign that a civilisation is stupid? That religion means you're stupid?

Again, "how civilisation develops" doesn't work here, as none of the endings leave the galaxy in the state you mentioned. Not even low EMS destroy. It's headcanon, and there's nothing to address there as it's in your imagination.