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[In Exile]

Honestly, I find the arm-chair science-ing hilarious. First, because this series is just nonsense from a scientific POV, so trying to come up with hard limits for what it can do in the abstract is ridiculous. Second, because in a space opera like ME, it literally takes about a minute to come up with a lore-consistent plot justification for galaxy-hopping. 

[CronoDragoon]

Running away is absolutely a solution, if for example the problem is a hungry shark swimming near you in the ocean.

 

Given the mess the ME3 endings created, I'm excited to start again in Andromeda. Hopefully without save imports.

[LPPrince]

How'd it play in the "compatibility" mode?  

 

Haven't played it yet. I set it to download last night before I fell asleep. I might open it up today but I want to finish my Witcher 3 playthrough before I sit down to play anything else.

[saladinbob]

Running away is absolutely a solution, if for example the problem is a hungry shark swimming near you in the ocean.

 

Given the mess the ME3 endings created, I'm excited to start again in Andromeda. Hopefully without save imports.

 

To extend upon your analogy, it'd be like running away from a Shark despite you having a harpoon in your hand. In other words, running away is a last resort when there are no other options open to you. In the continuation of Mass Effect in the Milky Way in a post-Reaper invasion timeline, there most certainly were.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Given the mess the ME3 endings created, I'm excited to start again in Andromeda. Hopefully without save imports.

Yes, because they haven't thrown enough of the trilogy away. Let's get rid of all of our choices too. 

[AresKeith]

Yes, because they haven't thrown enough of the trilogy away. Let's get rid of all of our choices too. 

 

Your choices are still there in the trilogy you played, not going back to the trilogy isn't throwing it away

[In Exile]

To extend upon your analogy, it'd be like running away from a Shark despite you having a harpoon in your hand. In other words, running away is a last resort when there are no other options open to you. In the continuation of Mass Effect in the Milky Way in a post-Reaper invasion timeline, there most certainly were.

No, there weren't. We can debate this forever if you like, but not only would it require a herculean effort to sort the mess out even if you took the pick a cannon route, there'd be massive obstacles to gelling a good story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Your choices are still there in the trilogy you played, not going back to the trilogy isn't throwing it away

They are made completely irrelevant in the new games if not imported, thus it is throwing them away. 

[JGDD]

Don't try to make it seem like I meant to say something else than what I intended.

I didn't. Just pointing out that humans get distracted by new, shiny things often overlooking the obvious right in front of them.

 

In the end it doesn't matter. BioWare says we're going to the Andromeda galaxy so that's where I plan on heading when the game is released. Pouting about it isn't going to change that fact.

[saladinbob]

No, there weren't. We can debate this forever if you like, but not only would it require a herculean effort to sort the mess out even if you took the pick a cannon route, there'd be massive obstacles to gelling a good story.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, in fact you're right, you're simply missing the obvious solution. Have a cut scene at the beginning of the game that establishes a new (retconed) ending to ME3 and all your problems disappear out of the window. That's the entire point I'm making - without a retcon you cannot continue. Bioware decided not to take that course of action and in doing so, sidestepped the issue. It was ****** poor writing and they should be ashamed of themselves for publishing it. That doesn't mean MEA will be a bad game, but it does mean a lot of people are unhappy with the decision and will take an awful lot of persuasion to buy in to this new setting.

[shepskisaac]

They are made completely irrelevant in the new games if not imported, thus it is throwing them away. 

Bioware stumbled and crumbled trying to reflect some of the choices on a way lesser scale throughout the trilogy. You think transferring them to another game and then possibly even further would be a good idea? Let's be realistic

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bioware stumbled and crumbled trying to reflect some of the choices on a way lesser scale throughout the trilogy. You think transferring them to another game and then possibly even further would be a good idea? Let's be realistic

Since we are in another galaxy, the extent of those choices being reflected would just be slightly different dialogues, Codexes, and maybe the occasional workaround. They are able to do that much easily. 

[AresKeith]

Since we are in another galaxy, the extent of those choices being reflected would just be slightly different dialogues, Codexes, and maybe the occasional workaround. They are able to do that much easily. 

 

Everything but the ending can potentially be referenced in codex and dialogue 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Everything but the ending can potentially be referenced in codex and dialogue 

Even the endings can be reduced to that if we are in another galaxy. 

 

Destroy: Some Geth took precationary measures to avoid the Crucible killing them. Reverse-engineered Reaper drives from the dead Reapers.

Control: Reapers don't come on the trip. Reapers help the galaxy advance and built intergalactic-capable drives. 

Synthesis: Same as Control, and the glowing green circuits aren't permanent.

Refuse: During the centuries of the harvest, the galaxy had time to reverse-engineer a Reaper drive and made the trip. 

 

Or, as much as I hate to say it, have the ship leave before the Crucible was activated but after all other choices happened. 

 

Most of this can be addressed in Codex entries.

[AresKeith]

Even the endings can be reduced to that if we are in another galaxy. 

 

Destroy: Some Geth took precationary measures to avoid the Crucible killing them. Reverse-engineered Reaper drives from the dead Reapers.

Control: Reapers don't come on the trip. Reapers help the galaxy advance and built intergalactic-capable drives. 

Synthesis: Same as Control, and the glowing green circuits aren't permanent.

Refuse: During the centuries of the harvest, the galaxy had time to reverse-engineer a Reaper drive and made the trip. 

 

Or, as much as I hate to say it, have the ship leave before the Crucible was activated but after all other choices happened. 

 

Most of this can be addressed in Codex entries.

 

If the game takes place before the ending happens (which is mostly likely the case) then the endings can't be referenced because no one knows what happened 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If the game takes place before the ending happens (which is mostly likely the case) then the endings can't be referenced because no one knows what happened 

I know. I had that in my post.

[dragonflight288]

 

It's pretty obvious that at the time they wrote the endings, they planned on ending the series there for good. That in itself is kind of a problem, when you consider that if it's true... them continuing to make Mass Effect games in this manner, where they are in the same setting but not really... It feels like they're making it for the wrong reasons. Because they know it'll sell, not because this is something they're passionate about. Hudson left, Walters was one of the guys responsible for blowing up the relays in the initial ending.

 

Maybe, maybe not. 

 

It's hard to speak for the passion of the current crop of developers since they're not here interacting with us and none of us are in there working on making the game with them. 

 

They could be the most passionate about the project in the world, limited by resources and demands from EA, who as the producer and paying for the project, is the more likely target for continuing the IP because it'll sell. 

[Oni Changas]

I was a ME3 ending hater.

 

Personally I love that they decided to go to a new galaxy/new direction.

Clean Slate as it were.

Will be interesting to see if and how the ME3 endings are mentioned.

There is just no way they really could have stayed in MWG without picking an ending, and making whatever % of the fanbase that didnt pick that particular ending mad.

 

Looking forward to the thrill of discovery. Hopefully will have that same initial feeling of playing ME.

Well said. Though personally I'd have retconned or ignored ME3's RGB altogether. The ship's sailed on a remake/rerelease so I'm looking forward to Andromeda, and who knows, maybe they'll still give us callbacks and cameos to the reaper trilogy.

[Reorte]

Honestly, I find the arm-chair science-ing hilarious. First, because this series is just nonsense from a scientific POV, so trying to come up with hard limits for what it can do in the abstract is ridiculous. Second, because in a space opera like ME, it literally takes about a minute to come up with a lore-consistent plot justification for galaxy-hopping. 

The "anything goes" defence really is a very poor one indeed. Having some nonsense doesn't make adding even more any less nonsense.

[o Ventus]

Honestly, I find the arm-chair science-ing hilarious. First, because this series is just nonsense from a scientific POV, so trying to come up with hard limits for what it can do in the abstract is ridiculous. Second, because in a space opera like ME, it literally takes about a minute to come up with a lore-consistent plot justification for galaxy-hopping. 

 

So basically it's "lol it's not like the science was good before" and "lol it's easy".

 

Well, you've established that you're good at making assertions, but can you support them?

[Shermos]

Yes, because they haven't thrown enough of the trilogy away. Let's get rid of all of our choices too. 

 

And that would be even more silly when you consider the primary reason most of the people wanting this shift to a new galaxy is that they want our choices in ME3 to matter. It's basically curing the disease by killing the patient.

 

Also, about the whole "science doesn't matter" thing. This genre is called science fiction for a reason. It's supposed to be at least somewhat plausible based off our current knowledge. That's what differentiates sci-fi from fantasy. One of the things which attracted me to Mass Effect was that it's based on a real scientific hypothesis. It's quite liberal in its use of it, but it's based on real science nonetheless. People like Michio Kaku have commented on this.  

[Fandango]

Sadly, but all too predictably, what used to be called Mass Effect was botched so thoroughly at the end there, BioWare have had to about tail and set this new game in an entirely new Galaxy. Such a shame!

[Shermos]

They didn't have to. They chose to take the easy way out.

[WittyUsername]

Yes, like I said, only the ones on the ship with you....  People are going on about wanting all these different Milky Way galaxy races to show up in Andromeda...how is that going to happen?  It's a different freaking galaxy!  And what, are we taking a few thousand of every Milky Way galaxy race with us?

Maybe not "with us" but on their own, sure. If one race figures out how to travel to another Galaxy, you can bet others will as well. And assuming we start off entirely in the Milkyw Way to get the Asari, Krogan, Salarian, whatever, squadmates, we sure would be spending a lot of time in the Milky Way, wouldn't we? I guess we could simply start off with them all in our ship, but why? Why would a human vesel with little reason to have any other race just simply have them? Shepard needed to stop Saren and Sovereign, the Collecters, and the Reapers. Unless the new Protagonist starts off against the new threat, he really has no reason.

 

Why would any race just simply allow humans to gain such a potentialyl huge advantage over them? I guess it boils down to "too risky." But I feel it's also "too risky" to let such a huge oppurtuinty pass them by, but colonizing new worlds for a Homeworld-bound species sounds the same matter of risk, really.

 

"It's a different freaking Galaxy!" correct. It is, but it could be a "different freaking Galaxy" that more than one race wants to colonize.

 

 

surely a billion year old race of super powerful sentient space machines NEVER would have traveled to Andromeda...yeah makes perfect sense.

 

And why would they? They were desiginated to "preserve" organic life in the Milky Way galaxy, not the Andromeda galaxy. They have no interest in it.

 

They're machines in the end, and bound to programming. Catalyst's programming.