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[sveners]

The same way we, and all other animals, are also bound by our programming?

[WittyUsername]

In terms of surviving, I suppose.

Catalyst just has purpose, that purpose in perserving life in the Milky Way galaxy.

 

The better question is why didn't Catalyst want to go to other Galaxies. Maybe it's because the Leviathan had him look after only the Milky Way galaxy, maybe it's because he's part of the Citadel and has to remain there for other species to find them (they used to use the citadel as a quick jump to wipe out the Council of each cycle, maybe Catalyst found its solution too efficient and didn't want to disrupt it by worrying about other galaxies.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And why would they? They were desiginated to "preserve" organic life in the Milky Way galaxy, not the Andromeda galaxy. They have no interest in it.

It was never said just in the Milky Way. In fact, Leviathan states the Intelligence was mandated to "preserve life at any cost". There were no restrictions, but just simply life. It is only logical it would assume that life in other galaxies needed to be harvested and preserved since they fall under life. 

 

Personally, I think that's what the 50,000 years between cycles is occupied by: the Reapers going to the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in the local galactic group. The math supports the idea. 

[WittyUsername]

It was never said just in the Milky Way. In fact, Leviathan states the Intelligence was mandated to "preserve life at any cost". There were no restrictions, but just simply life. It is only logical it would assume that life in other galaxies needed to be harvested and preserved since they fall under life. 

 

Personally, I think that's what the 50,000 years between cycles is occupied by: the Reapers going to the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in the local galactic group. The math supports the idea. 

The math would, but I believe it was stated that they reside in dark space to rest for the coming cycle. Vigil, I believe, said that.

 

As far as Leviathan, I notice they speak more about how the Galaxy bent to their will. They often took care of species for their tribute.I would imagine they'd be more focused on the Galaxy they dominated. But you're right, it wasn't directly stated.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The math would, but I believe it was stated that they reside in dark space to rest for the coming cycle. Vigil, I believe, said that.

Vigil also admits he can only hypothesize. 

 

As far as Leviathan, I notice they speak more about how the Galaxy bent to their will. They often took care of species for their tribute.I would imagine they'd be more focused on the Galaxy they dominated. But you're right, it wasn't directly stated.

It's most likely a case of them not programming the Catalyst specifically enough. After all, they forgot to exclude themselves from the Catalyst's parameters, leading to them being harvested and turned into the body of Harbinger.

 

Or perhaps it was somewhat intentional, and the Leviathans had plans to expand their dominion to encompass other galaxies, since they saw the Catalyst as simply another tool.

[WittyUsername]

Vigil also admits he can only hypothesize. 

True, I thought of that as well, but until another game talks about Reapers visiting other galaxies, which COULD potentially happen in the next game, we have to take Vigil's hypothesize as most likely.

 

It's most likely a case of them not programming the Catalyst specifically enough. After all, they forgot to exclude themselves from the Catalyst's parameters, leading to them being betrayed and harvested into the body of Harbinger. Like how in various science fiction humanity programs machines to protect Earth, not realizing the machine can conclude that a threat to Earth is humanity until it is too late.

 

Or perhaps it was somewhat intentional, and the Leviathans had plans to expand their dominion to encompass other galaxies, since they saw the Catalyst as simply another tool.

Personally, i'd be all for Reapers dominating the other Galaxy as well, though I suppose they'll need time to wipe out the remaining forces in the galaxy and factorizing them and getting them off world to overwhelm the other galaxies.

 

But assuming the leak was right, it did predict the correct Galaxy, that would come into question with these "Remnants" are and how did the Reaper handle them?

[gottaloveme]

All in all BW have always done good (maybe except for DAI tedium) but I have learned to trust them. Fingers crossed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

True, I thought of that as well, but until another game talks about Reapers visiting other galaxies, which COULD potentially happen in the next game, we have to take Vigil's hypothesize as most likely.

 

 

Personally, i'd be all for Reapers dominating the other Galaxy as well, though I suppose they'll need time to wipe out the remaining forces in the galaxy and factorizing them and getting them off world to overwhelm the other galaxies.

 

But assuming the leak was right, it did predict the correct Galaxy, that would come into question with these "Remnants" are and how did the Reaper handle them?

The Reapers being intergalactic would solve a lot of the problems facing this game. For example traveling from one galaxy to another can be explained by simply using a Mass Relay to go from the Milky Way to Andromeda. Since the Mass Relays are destroyed at the end of ME3, they are cut off from the Milky Way until the Milky Way repairs them, which could take decades plus however long the trip would be. It also helps keep Andromeda on the same technological tier as us, since Andromeda would be subject to the cycles as well, most likely being what ended the Remnant. And we wouldn't have to worry about the Reapers showing up since they are either defeated or busy harvesting the Milky Way and other galaxies for millennia, since they's likely harvest the dwarf galaxies orbiting the Milky Way if they haven't already. Thus leaving this new story and Shepard's story connected yet separated. Not to mention it would mean the existence of Mass Relays in Andromeda, which would be good since they are one of the icons for the franchise.

[WittyUsername]

Looks like a lot of Reaper technology have went unstudied for a long time. Citadel, Keepers, hell apparently messing with the Mass Relays is outlawed. Maybe them fixing up the relays could show that the relays had hidden potential to galaxy jump, or maybe there's a another relay that connects to another Galaxy that's actually in the Milky Way.

But I guess we're just spitballling ideas, lol.

[Saul Iscariot]

Hanako Ikezawa were the relays destroyed at the end of ME3? I thought that they were only damaged? Also the Prothean relay shouldn't, or rather may not, have been affected as it wasn't part of the network but patched in. As for using relays to do galactic jumps, the Reapers came from dark space. They must have had at least one relay at their end to make the jump. Therefore it could simply be a staging post to go to the Andromeda galaxy, and also a place to vent the build up of energy whilst making the jump. People keep saying that the ship travelling would from the Milky Way to Andromeda wouldn't have a place to discharge the build up of energy that is accrued like they would in a galaxy. This isn't true, the gaps between galaxies is very barren, but it is not empty.

[Fade9wayz]

Yes, like I said, only the ones on the ship with you....  People are going on about wanting all these different Milky Way galaxy races to show up in Andromeda...how is that going to happen?  It's a different freaking galaxy!  And what, are we taking a few thousand of every Milky Way galaxy race with us?  Is this some sort of version of the Protheans sleeping chambers, but we felt hey, let's ship them off in stasis to another galaxy, sure this will work out really well.  I mean, it's not like the Reapers hang out in darkspace, and surely a billion year old race of super powerful sentient space machines NEVER would have traveled to Andromeda...yeah makes perfect sense.  It's like a 5 year old came up with this stuff.

Travelling to another galaxy might be too big a risk to their primary mission, conserving civilisations in their own twisted way. First there's the risk associated to travelling so far. One needs to have an extremely compelling reason to take such risk, being faced with total anihilation is one of them. Go to a galaxy where they have NOT controlled the development of civilisations they know absolutely nothing about and  which could very well be able to wipe them out like flies, well, in the balance scale, it's just not that interesting. No counting they would also risk losing control of what happens in the Milky Way during their absence. There's a reason Sovereign stayed behind.

This war has already cost them more than the previous ones since they were unable to seize control of the Citadel and the Mass relays in ME1. It has effectively forced them to start a full on war on the whole galaxy (division of forces instead of concentrating their forces on certain parts then move on to the others).

[LightningSamus]

One way or another.. people will moan.

[dragonflight288]

One way or another.. people will moan.

 

Some people already are. 

[TruthSerum]

Saying it won't be a true ME game without Shepard is like saying there are no true Star Trek stories without Capt. Kirk.

It's total nonsense and it would be pigeon holing the franchise the same way Star Trek would be pigeon holed if it were simply limited to the 23rd century and the alpha quadrant.

I'll even take it a step farther and say it would be like saying Star Wars should be about Luke Skywalker and no one else. With no other time periods or main characters allowed. That would be downright silly wouldn't it? (Rhetorical question because of course it would)

[dfjdejulio]

The lore makes it clear that travelling from end of the galaxy to another would take decades or more with standard FTL travel. 

 

I do not understand this objection, myself.  So what?  We have at least one example of a stasis pod that kept someone in fighting shape for 50,000 years.  Who's to say the sequel isn't set 500,000 years after ME3?

[dfjdejulio]

It was never said just in the Milky Way. In fact, Leviathan states the Intelligence was mandated to "preserve life at any cost". There were no restrictions, but just simply life. It is only logical it would assume that life in other galaxies needed to be harvested and preserved since they fall under life.

 

Okay as a starting point, but I have to ask: without the mass relays acting as, well, relays, what is the range of The Intelligence's control signal?  Reapers who go to far may not stick to the mission (or, the Intelligence may fear they may not).

 

(I don't know how it will all work out, but I am prepared to find it utterly plausible that the reapers didn't leave our galaxy.)

[MattFini]

As long as it feels like MASS EFFECT, I'll be happy with ANDROMEDA.

 

I want the atmosphere of the original game (which they seem hellbent on delivering), along with interesting characters, combat, and settings. Give me a ship, let me recruit some faces to fight alongside me in a sci-fi setting, and I'm cool. 

 

I'd be surprised if this didn't connect to the original trilogy in some way. Not expecting to see Shepard, but the mysterious N7 figure obviously means something.

 

Honestly, as long as this isn't the redundant bore that Dragon Age Inquisition is, I expect to love it. 

[In Exile]

The Reapers being intergalactic would solve a lot of the problems facing this game. For example traveling from one galaxy to another can be explained by simply using a Mass Relay to go from the Milky Way to Andromeda. Since the Mass Relays are destroyed at the end of ME3, they are cut off from the Milky Way until the Milky Way repairs them, which could take decades plus however long the trip would be. It also helps keep Andromeda on the same technological tier as us, since Andromeda would be subject to the cycles as well, most likely being what ended the Remnant. And we wouldn't have to worry about the Reapers showing up since they are either defeated or busy harvesting the Milky Way and other galaxies for millennia, since they's likely harvest the dwarf galaxies orbiting the Milky Way if they haven't already. Thus leaving this new story and Shepard's story connected yet separated. Not to mention it would mean the existence of Mass Relays in Andromeda, which would be good since they are one of the icons for the franchise.

 

Even if we agreed they would solve these problems - which for the record I do not - they introduce a far more serious one: RBG is then cannon across the universe, defeating the sole purpose of switching away from the Milky Way. They're not just doing this to avoid the fallout of all the species-specific ending decision. They want to avoid RBG. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Okay as a starting point, but I have to ask: without the mass relays acting as, well, relays, what is the range of The Intelligence's control signal?  Reapers who go to far may not stick to the mission (or, the Intelligence may fear they may not).

 

(I don't know how it will all work out, but I am prepared to find it utterly plausible that the reapers didn't leave our galaxy.)

The Catalyst doesn't use a command signal. The Reapers are kind of like the Geth Consensus where they are all connected via cyberspace, since the Catalyst states "I embody the collective intelligence of all Reapers." just like how Legion was the gestalt intelligence of all the Geth that were connected within him. Likewise, the Catalyst could also dwell inside each Citadel, since he states that "The Citadel is a part of me." 

 

 

Even if we agreed they would solve these problems - which for the record I do not - they introduce a far more serious one: RBG is then cannon across the universe, defeating the sole purpose of switching away from the Milky Way. They're not just doing this to avoid the fallout of all the species-specific ending decision. They want to avoid RBG. 

Not necessarily. The Crucible is only shown to use active Relays to transmit its implementation. Thanks to the Protheans on Ilos, the Citadel Relay did not activate in this cycle, meaning that the Relays it would be connected to in Dark Space or other galaxies would not receive the transmission of the Crucible's energy. 

[Shermos]

Saying it won't be a true ME game without Shepard is like saying there are no true Star Trek stories without Capt. Kirk.

It's total nonsense and it would be pigeon holing the franchise the same way Star Trek would be pigeon holed if it were simply limited to the 23rd century and the alpha quadrant.

 

The difference between this and Star Trek is that the The Next Generation wasn't a soft reboot. It expanded on the original, just with a new set of characters and ship.