I like your post OP. Recapturing the mystery of an unknown galaxy, that's romantic and adventurous. Be the first alien to land there in thousands of years (because we're the aliens).
Hopefully people will give whatever possible new species a fair chance, remember it's not their fault Bioware decided to move to another galaxy.
they will always be the "others"
I'm fairly certain you've never read anything from Orwell or Huxley if you think that's the case.
Both the Breach and the Blight would classify as a Total Extinction-level event. Ergo, the function would be roughly the same, the loss of all known life on the planet. The Blight would actually be a touch more dangerous, since the Blight (meaning the disease) infects the land itself and kills off the soil. There's nothing to indicate that the Breach would sterilize the very ground itself like the Blight does.
1. I'm familiar with their works. I'm not sure what you're getting at in terms of the kinds of dictatorships you think Bioware would portray with the Shepardlyst. I mean, sure, they could do Big Brother Shepard as a plot, but that wouldn't really be a sci-fi game anymore. You'd just get into political commentary no writer in gaming has the talent to pull off.
2. Well, no. The Breach looks like a potential Class 6 or Class X, depending on what the ever expanding breach means for the Fade. We know from Cole that demons and spirits are driven insane by getitng thrown through the breach. As the thing worsens, it may start tearing reality apart.
all of the quest lines and such are assumed to have happened
Skyrim builds on the foundation laid in Oblivion for the fall of the Septim dynasty and so on
so again, not sure what you mean. Just because we don't get details on what our PC did or is doing doesn't mean the previous games are wholly ignored.
Elder Scrolls games give token winks, nothing more. There's a reason why each game typically takes place either in a different location, across an extended time period, etc.
Mass Effect basically went with the first option instead of the second. They could simply cycle the time line a billion years in advance and just wipe everyone out, if that goes down better.
When their best option is "move to an entirely new galaxy to avoid pissing people off" maybe they should re-evaluate their process.
They were always going to ****** people off, they should have kept to their guns and worked through the post ME3 universe, not throw their hands up in defeat and reboot it all.
I have never seen a developer so gelded.
I don't think it's salvageable. ME3 ended so badly... how can they do anything but start anew?
They performed seppuku on themselves with RGB+Refuse. We can hypothesize about it ad nauseam, but that ending is not something you can fix by lightly grabbing a few saved game points and building from there. Don't forget the plot holes, Shepard having no body, the Normandy off somewhere waiting for a Relay repair, most of the galaxy cut-off and isolated. That's a crap foundation to build from. Not to mention... under control and synthesis we still have those Reapers (which I'm really tired of).
Moving forward into the future. Best place to start regardless of whatever choice was made by Shepard. A point where it doesn't matter anymore. Or a place that was never part of the Reaper cycle.
1. I'm familiar with their works. I'm not sure what you're getting at in terms of the kinds of dictatorships you think Bioware would portray with the Shepardlyst. I mean, sure, they could do Big Brother Shepard as a plot, but that wouldn't really be a sci-fi game anymore. You'd just get into political commentary no writer in gaming has the talent to pull off.
Err, what? Why would a Big Brother-esque plot *not* be sci-fi? Sci-fi is short for "science fiction". Unless you're going to tell me that Deus Ex, a decidedly sci-fi series, is not sci-fi due to it's overarching meta plot of conspiracies, shadow governments, and the Illuminati. And it isn't as if there hasn't been any political commentary in the series before, the way all of the politicians are either hilariously inept and imbecilic, or morally bankrupt and evil.
2. Well, no. The Breach looks like a potential Class 6 or Class X, depending on what the ever expanding breach means for the Fade. We know from Cole that demons and spirits are driven insane by getitng thrown through the breach. As the thing worsens, it may start tearing reality apart.
That's total conjecture and not backed up by anything from the game.
I don't think it's salvageable. ME3 ended so badly... how can they do anything but start anew?
They performed seppuku on themselves with RGB+Refuse. We can hypothesize about it ad nauseam, but that ending is not something you can fix by lightly grabbing a few saved game points and building from there. Don't forget the plot holes, Shepard having no body, the Normandy off somewhere waiting for a Relay repair, most of the galaxy cut-off and isolated. That's a crap foundation to build from. Not to mention... under control and synthesis we still have those Reapers (which I'm really tired of).
Moving forward into the future. Best place to start regardless of whatever choice was made by Shepard. A point where it doesn't matter anymore. Or a place that was never part of the Reaper cycle.
No there is plenty that could be done. If the writers aren't good enough to come up with a story in the existing universe then BioWare needs to get new writers as their current crop is clearly not worth their salary.
There was zero reason to move to an entirely different galaxy just because of the endings. They should have grown some stones and forged ahead in a world state they could work with instead of abandoning the ENTIRE GALAXY WHOLESALE
I'm not here to toss insults your way or call you whiners. I don't think you are, at least for the most part.
Look.....what the hell were they suppose to do? I understand that everyone has their own preference on how they want the Mass Effect franchise to continue. Lord knows I'll be praying to the gods that this new game will be the start of a new trilogy. But I'm also a realist in the sense that they definitely wrote themselves into a wall, thanks to how Mass Effect 3 ended, and no matter what they did it was gonna upset off a part of the fanbase.
If they made a prequel, they'd upset people who didn't want a prequel and wanted the series to move forward.
If they made a sequel and canonized an ending, they'd upset the people who didn't choose that ending.
If they tried to combine all three endings it would've been a mess
If they tried to handwave the ending by setting the game hundreds if not thousands of years into the future, they'd still have to address the endings in some form. These were galactic, culturally impacting choices. You cannot handwave that, and if you do, then players are gonna complain that they did.
Their best option was to bring the series to another galaxy. It's true we won't get to see the Citadel, Omega, or any of the familiar places of Mass Effect again. But in it's place we'll have a brand new setting to explore and fall in love with. Remember despite how primitive the gameplay was in Mass Effect 1, we enjoyed it because we were being introduced to a universe and lore that we would eventually fall in love with?
Don't you remember this:
Do you want to recapture that feeling again?
We will be exploring unknown territories, new races, new cultures, lore, technology, etc. If you're upset that we won't see the Milky Way again, I understand. But I encourage you to give Andromeda a chance here. It was the best option for the writers to take in a bad situation. And it opens up so many possibilities. If I haven't convinced you yet, then all I can say is at least wait until we get more info on the game.
I'm a bit disappointed (although I'm definitely not one of the extremists) that the game will not be set in the milky way but this kind of post doesn't really help, it just makes people argumentative and feel like have to explain their opinions, and then you get annoyed and think they are whining and complain in turn. If you want to convince people be diplomatic. Don't say "this is the best option" because they clearly don't agree with you. It would be better to simply say, hey I know it's not what you wanted but it can still be a really good game. And don't call people whiners.
I personally think it is a bad decision that Bioware have adopted the save import from game to game. It sounded really cool at first but with every single implementation I have only ever seen very cosmetic changes. Even when someone who is important to a mission is dead, they are simply replaced with someone else rather than actually changing the mission, and that is the best they have ever done. It feels very artificial. So I don't enjoy the benefits at all and the cost is increased development time and that anything that is naturally left unresolved cannot be properly explored in a sequel. Even though I didn't like the endings in ME3, I thought that they left the galaxy in a fascinating state full of promise.
I'm still looking forward to MEA though. I absolutely understand that not every decision Bioware makes will be one I agree with.
it won't keep me from buying, playing, and (hopefully) enjoying Mass Effect 4.
However it's a cop-out and cheap thing to pull because they don't want to bother trying to "fix" their crappy ending for the first trilogy.
It'll be a disconnect. Entirely new galaxy. no going to earth. etc.
and as someone else said the milky way was barely explored...but because of their crap ending they're going to drop the possibilities there and take the cheap way out.
As I said I'm sure I'll love ME4. Could be wrong. But I doubt it. That doesn't chagne the facts though. This move is just a cop-out and downright cheap.
Let Star Wars have it's own Galaxy. Part of Mass Effects appeal (to me) over Star Wars was it's in our OWN galaxy. Now it's not. And that's lame and all because of crap-writing that they don't want to bother addressing and they're too afraid to "canonize" an ending so they can move on from there in our galaxy.
You took the words from my mouth. 
Anyway, now we need to wait until they start to releasing real information about the game (N7 day maybe?)
It's a good sentiment, as it's also inevitable that some people will be unhappy with the direction.
Hey if I can reach just a couple people, I'm happy.
The damage had been done. There was no fixing the endings without doing some serious handwaving or retconning.
Hey if I can reach just a couple people, I'm happy.
The damage had been done. There was no fixing the endings without doing some serious handwaving or retconning.
its too late to fix the ending, its not too late to work through them so we can move on
instead the ME3 endings are not going to go anywhere as they continue to loom over the franchise
They get rid of the whole galaxy because the ending affected the whole galaxy. They cannot get rid of only 27% of the galaxy. It's either to enshrine one ending or to set the story elsewhere. And all the endings were dismal so I'd go with the latter too.
they will always be the "others"
Not for me. I will adopt them and treat them better than my own children. Then I'll pick up a gun and shoot them in their ugly heads because it's a videogame after all.
its too late to fix the ending, its not too late to work through them so we can move on
instead the ME3 endings are not going to go anywhere as they continue to loom over the franchise
They're not gonna go back to the endings. That was a nightmare for both Bioware and the Fans. Why would they ever want to touch upon them again? And even if they did, what if they executed it in a way that's no satisfying to the fanbase? It's too risky.
Now we get to start fresh and new. I'd rather just move on and pretend the ME3 ending was a bad dream.
They're not gonna go back to the endings. That was a nightmare for both Bioware and the Fans. Why would they ever want to touch upon them again? And even if they did, what if they executed it in a way that's no satisfying to the fanbase? It's too risky.
Now we get to start fresh and new. I'd rather just move on and pretend the ME3 ending was a bad dream.
they shouldn't waste their time trying to appeal to everyone for starters. Take one ending, destroy for example, and work with it, the others would be non-importable but not non-canon.
However, since they won't go back to it people are going to be asking to go back to the Milky Way until we do
they shouldn't waste their time trying to appeal to everyone for starters. Take one ending, destroy for example, and work with it, the others would be non-importable but not non-canon.
However, since they won't go back to it people are going to be asking to go back to the Milky Way until we do
If ME:A ends up being very well received, then there's no reason at all for them to go back to the Milky Way. The only way they would is probably do a prequel spinoff in the Milky Way, and then concentrate on Andromeda as the new core entries in the franchise.
The ironic part is Bioware left themselves a way out.
"Did all that really happen?"
"Yes, but some of the details were lost in time."
If ME:A ends up being very well received, then there's no reason at all for them to go back to the Milky Way. The only way they would is probably do a prequel spinoff in the Milky Way, and then concentrate on Andromeda as the new core entries in the franchise.
which is why I'm hoping this game flops
then they shouldn't try to, move forward in only of the ending states. That doesn't mean they have to declare the other states non-canon, just not importable like Shepard dying in ME2
Hell, just make up a noncanon ending and make it canon. Everyone wins. Or loses. Or whatever. Point is, everyone's in the same boat.
which is why I'm hoping this game flops
Some people had the same attitude with DA:I. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Some people had the same attitude with DA:I. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
DA:I didn't get moved to an entirely new planet after DA2 flew like a brick
it will always have that over ME
Can't we just wait to judge the Andromeda on it's own merits? If it simply improves on the ME3's combat and has a story that doesn't turn into complete nonsense in the last ten minutes, it'll be a pretty cracking good game.
Can't we just wait to judge the Andromeda on it's own merits? If it simply improves on the ME3's combat and has a story that doesn't turn into complete nonsense in the last ten minutes, it'll be a pretty cracking good game.
you don't judge a part of a series wholly independent of the rest of it, for good reason
its going to be compared to the other games and it should be
DA:I didn't get moved to an entirely new planet after DA2 flew like a brick
it will always have that over ME
The masses will not care, trust me. Only a portion of the fanbase are upset by this, and only a portion of that demographic won't buy the game after all the trailers and information is shown and gets people excited. You're not being realistic here man. People had as much reason to stop giving Bioware money after ToR, DA2 and ME3's ending. Yet DA:I was a success. You're fooling yourself if you think this will cause the game to flop.
They're not gonna go back to the endings. That was a nightmare for both Bioware and the Fans. Why would they ever want to touch upon them again? And even if they did, what if they executed it in a way that's no satisfying to the fanbase? It's too risky.
Now we get to start fresh and new. I'd rather just move on and pretend the ME3 ending was a bad dream.
And yet they are still touching the endings, just with the name of the game: Mass Effect: Andromeda.
It's painfully obvious why the game is exiled from the Milky Way.
The masses will not care, trust me. Only a portion of the fanbase are upset by this, and only a portion of that demographic won't buy the game after all the trailers and information is shown and gets people excited. You're not being realistic here man. People had as much reason to stop giving Bioware money after ToR, DA2 and ME3's ending. Yet DA:I was a success. You're fooling yourself if you think this will cause the game to flop.
I don't think this game will flop on the basis of its setting
I hope it flops for whatever reason so we can be spared a continuity of this excursion into another galaxy
The masses will not care, trust me. Only a portion of the fanbase are upset by this, and only a portion of that demographic won't buy the game after all the trailers and information is shown and gets people excited. You're not being realistic here man. People had as much reason to stop giving Bioware money after ToR, DA2 and ME3's ending. Yet DA:I was a success. You're fooling yourself if you think this will cause the game to flop.
Yeah, it's essentially wishful thinking. ME3's ending led to one of the larger controversies in gaming history as I recall. That alone might have been reason enough to abandon the ME franchise altogether, but since Bioware's committed to this path, referencing the endings probably isn't the smartest idea in the world if they're worried about backlash.
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