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[dChronologer]

Sigh.  I guess I'll throw my two cents in as well.  TL:DR at the bottom.

 

I admit that I don't like the idea of moving to a new galaxy and pretending like the Milky Way doesn't exist any more.  What I loved about Mass Effect was exploring a galaxy that was alive and full of people, and the unique perspective that humans were the upstart newcomers.  I also loved that you got the perfect balance of frontier and civilization.  You can go wander an empty planet, exploring ruins, and then come back to the city and dive into criminal intrigue.  I am still going to want to know how all my favorite races are doing in their recovery from the Reaper's Assault.

 

Moving to a new galaxy sounds like we are going to be slowly walking through a whole lot of unpopulated nothing ala Skyrim, Fallout 3, and, unfortunately, DA: Inquisition.  I really don't want to see Dragon Age or Mass Effect try to be like Elder Scrolls or Fallout because DA and ME have something unique, just as they are.  Now, Elder Scrolls and Fallout are both great games and they do a great job of making certain portions of their worlds feel alive and populated.  Inquisition, for me, failed at making Thedas feel alive and populated.  That is my biggest fear for the next Mass Effect. 

 

What I am hoping for with ME: Andromeda is that the game treats exploring this new galaxy as a type of colonization and/or resource gathering expedition to help the civilizations of the Milky Way rebuild and continue to expand in the aftermath of the Reaper Incursion.  I would be quite satisfied if going back and forth between the two galaxies was possible even if you are only visiting say the Citadel and/or Omega.

 

I know that this brings up the issue of continuity from the ending of ME 3.  Well, the standard Bioware formula for dealing with a game's ending has been to introduce a "game changer" at the start of the next game.  ME 2 Shepard dies, then comes back to life and works for Cerberus.  ME 3 Shepard is stuck on Earth for six months, then it introduces the Crucible and Catalyist.  DA 2 move across the continent and introduces the Mage/Templar conflict after the prologue.  DA Inquisition sidesteps the Mage/Templar war by introducing the Breach and the Elder One.

 

So I understand the need for a new "game changer" to help the franchise move foward, but Bioware doesn't have to scrap the Milky Way because the story developed a few wrinkles.  So long as fans are enjoying the story, they can be very forgiving.  I think that cutting off the Milky Way would be a "hand wave" solution.  When someone admits that things did not turn out the way they had hoped, but that they are going to do the best they can to fix it or make it right, people respect that and respond to this sort of sentiment positively.

 

TL:DR  I am holding out cautious optimisim that Bioware will try to incorporate both the events of the old games and the new as the Mass Effect franchise moves foward.  Inquisition is a solid game, but has room for imporvement in making the world feel alive.  The next ME game also needs to make its world feel alive and populated, especially if it is going to focus on frontier exploration, and we need another crazy Salarian doctor who talks funny and sings.  Also, absolutly NO RNG (random number generator) loot system!!!

[Shadow Fox]

they shouldn't waste their time trying to appeal to everyone for starters.  Take one ending, destroy for example, and work with it, the others would be non-importable but not non-canon.

 

However, since they won't go back to it people are going to be asking to go back to the Milky Way until we do

Oxymoron

[Maniccc]

I understand and appreciate what you are saying, TC, because there is a lot of truth to it.  The ME universe eclipses the disaster of the ME trilogy story and ending, and this galaxy jumping is the only way they can get passed it while telling everyone that there is no canon ending.

 

But to me, the issue is also that this tells us that the trilogy was irrelevant.  What's the point of the trilogy?  It might as well have never happened.  I'm sure they will somehow incorporate it in some small way, some nods to events, and so on, but so what?  I know some people are fanboys and will eat up anything Bioware throws at them.  I know that some people are willing to look past all this mess and just play some game.  But you know, there are tons of games.  The thing that was unique about ME was the characters and the story, and so on.  But that uniqueness is largely getting swept under the rug.  some people don't care, and that's fine.  But to me, there are plenty of good games to play, and I see no reason to play something that functionally ignores everything I liked about the franchise.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Look.....what the hell were they suppose to do? I understand that everyone has their own preference on how they want the Mass Effect franchise to continue. Lord knows I'll be praying to the gods that this new game will be the start of a new trilogy. But I'm also a realist in the sense that they definitely wrote themselves into a wall, thanks to how Mass Effect 3 ended, and no matter what they did it was gonna upset off a part of the fanbase.

There were things they could have done. For example, they could have done something like the Indoctrination Theory or something so that the Crucible merely defeated the Reapers. But instead they decided to throw away the entire trilogy and all of the EU by choosing one of the worst options they could have. 

 

Their best option was to bring the series to another galaxy. It's true we won't get to see the Citadel, Omega, or any of the familiar places of Mass Effect again. But in it's place we'll have a brand new setting to explore and fall in love with. Remember despite how primitive the gameplay was in Mass Effect 1, we enjoyed it because we were being introduced to a universe and lore that we would eventually fall in love with?

Don't you remember this:

Spoiler

 

Do you want to recapture that feeling again?

Could have done all this without destroying galaxy jumping. Over 99% of the Milky Way isn't explored. This may as well be a new IP. 

 

We will be exploring unknown territories, new races, new cultures, lore, technology, etc. If you're upset that we won't see the Milky Way again, I understand. But I encourage you to give Andromeda a chance here. It was the best option for the writers to take in a bad situation. And it opens up so many possibilities. If I haven't convinced you yet, then all I can say is at least wait until we get more info on the game.

Again, could do this while staying in the same setting we all fell in love with. 

 

I'll give it a chance. Don't have a choice in the matter since I love space games but Bioware makes one of the only space RPGs. 

[N7 Banshee Bait]

Instead of retelling the same old, stale, tired & boring story like they do with pretty much every other franchise (Batman, Spider-Man, TMNT, Transformers etc.) they're giving us a completely new trilogy. It doesn't have to be connected to Shepard or the Reapers or the Milky Way galaxy. They said Shepard's story is over. What do you not understand about that? Over, done, finished. No more Shepard, no more Reapers, totally separate new trilogy.

 

Seriously! Basic English people! It's not that hard if you made it past the 1st & 2nd grade.  

 

 

If you can't get past Shepard & The Reapers then maybe Mass Effect isn't for you. You'd be more happy watching how Peter Parker got bitten by a radioactive spider & became Spider-Man over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over

 

The mentally of the typical comic book nerd/toy collector/gamer.

[jak11164]

yep bioware messed up ME3 so much (and it is not just the ending) they need to move next game into another galaxy.

I just hope that we get product worth of spending money on it.

Question is what is target group: if teenagers (gym-buses) from hi-school none can save the game if adults there is some hope

[cactusberry]

Personally I really don't like exploration so it being in another galaxy our main mission is to basically explore is my biggest reservation.

[jak11164]

Personally I really don't like exploration so it being in another galaxy our main mission is to basically explore is my biggest reservation.

personally I liked ME1 mako explorations

[Shermos]

The ironic part is Bioware left themselves a way out.

 

"Did all that really happen?"

"Yes, but some of the details were lost in time." 

 

Exactly.

[SolNebula]

To me ME is all about the tech and races that made the franchise great.

As long as we are going to have Krogan, Turian, Asari, Salarian, Volus, Hanar and everyone else. I'm fine with the new galaxy,

[WittyUsername]

Protheans were far more advanced than the ME Universe's 'modern' civilizations.

I... don't think I said they weren't.

 

The 50,000 years is a general time range, not an absolute time frame. That's also why I suggested the incomplete prothean data cache on dark matter, as well.

[jak11164]

Personally I would like more dialogs, more interaction with crew, more exploring, more decision making and much less running with guns.

And of course deep romantic interaction.

If you like running with guns go play "company of heroes" or another brainless shooter.

This is suppose is to be sci fi game... talky and techy

[LexXxich]

Just how huge do they need to make a 0-element core to go to another galaxy without discharging? And what is going to happen with the planet they eventually discharge on?

[The Arbiter]

I'm not here to toss insults your way or call you whiners. I don't think you are, at least for the most part.

 

 

Look.....what the hell were they suppose to do? I understand that everyone has their own preference on how they want the Mass Effect franchise to continue. Lord knows I'll be praying to the gods that this new game will be the start of a new trilogy. But I'm also a realist in the sense that they definitely wrote themselves into a wall, thanks to how Mass Effect 3 ended, and no matter what they did it was gonna upset off a part of the fanbase.

 

If they made a prequel, they'd upset people who didn't want a prequel and wanted the series to move forward.

If they made a sequel and canonized an ending, they'd upset the people who didn't choose that ending.

If they tried to combine all three endings it would've been a mess 

If they tried to handwave the ending by setting the game hundreds if not thousands of years into the future, they'd still have to address the endings in some form. These were galactic, culturally impacting choices. You cannot handwave that, and if you do, then players are gonna complain that they did.

 

 

Their best option was to bring the series to another galaxy. It's true we won't get to see the Citadel, Omega, or any of the familiar places of Mass Effect again. But in it's place we'll have a brand new setting to explore and fall in love with. Remember despite how primitive the gameplay was in Mass Effect 1, we enjoyed it because we were being introduced to a universe and lore that we would eventually fall in love with?

Don't you remember this:

 

 

Do you want to recapture that feeling again?

 

We will be exploring unknown territories, new races, new cultures, lore, technology, etc. If you're upset that we won't see the Milky Way again, I understand. But I encourage you to give Andromeda a chance here. It was the best option for the writers to take in a bad situation. And it opens up so many possibilities. If I haven't convinced you yet, then all I can say is at least wait until we get more info on the game.

well you are right. There is no point in arguing about this now since Bioware stood up with the whole artistic integrity fiasco then we should all bite the bullet now.

 

Anyway there are many other alternatives coming out soon! Final Fantasy VII remake has been confirmed, Starcitizen, DOOM 4, Fallout 4 and Deus Ex mankind divided is more than enough for me to fill that "gap or black hole" left by Mass Effect 3 or this franchise as a whole.... besides it's just a game. The new game no longer appeals to me now... it's like eating a big juicy hamburger then discovering a cockroach inside it then management replaced it with a new big juicy burger but you still get reminded by that cockroach

[Ieldra]

Don't you remember this:

 

 

Do you want to recapture that feeling again?

Thank you for posting this. This - the feeling of standing on unknown worlds under strange stars, to expand my own horizons as well as humanity's as a whole, in both exploration and technology - was part of the essence of ME1 for me.

 

After ME3, the new ME will have to pass considerable hurdles before I get attached. With this revelation of the setting, It has passed the first one.

[Zekka]

Why would you want to stay in the milky way galaxy after each ending affected the whole galaxy?

[The Arbiter]

Why would you want to stay in the milky way galaxy after each ending affected the whole galaxy?

Familiarity? so much potential? more discoveries were supposed to be made? all scrapped because of starbrat. EARTH?

[Guanxii]

A proper series reboot of the Mass Effect franchise is bound to happen every 5 to 10 years like any other popular franchise. When this crop of devs move on to greener pastures it will happen again. I'm not particularly feeling this one, hope that changes between now and the next reboot.

 

If I have to wait 10 years for a decent reboot with the original setting I will.

[IST]

Great opening post OP, good thread too... I was once an Andromeda hater - I'm on the hype train to the stars now though.

 

Loving how it's long after the first trilogy (time wise), love how there must be some reason we are trying to colonize Andromeda... feels like Battlestar Galactica in a way (Milky Way Galactica if you will)

[Zekka]

Familiarity? so much potential? more discoveries were supposed to be made? all scrapped because of starbrat. EARTH?

But it's gone now. I don't really see a reason to stay in it anymore.

[Eterna]

Curious, do we know if the Milky Way does not feature at all? I find it extremely unlikely Adromeda has an N7 program... 

[The Arbiter]

But it's gone now. I don't really see a reason to stay in it anymore.

Yup that's why I'm following DOOM 4 right now still on Mars after all these years looking pretty bloody too id software sticked with their formula despite others claiming otherwise, it still is a good slow gory brutal fps shooter. Still needs more blood though

[Ianamus]

While I'm pleased the setting is so detatched from the previous game that I could potentially forget Mass Effect 3 even happened it also means accepting that my favourite Mass Effect species/factions, the Quarians and the Geth, will probably not be present due to the vastly different setting, time skip, and need to account for the possibility that they are extinct. Didn't the leak state that there was a vote on what species would return and they didn't make the list? And this seems to confirm many of the things it rumoured.

 

I'm still struggling with that, honestly. If they remove my favourite species and there are no familiar locations or faces then will it really feel like a Mass Effect game to me?

[aoibhealfae]

I think what's important is.... how the hell they jump from one galaxy to another. I mean, is there a inter-galactic relay or something... .... ... crossing 2.5 million light-years is a genuine feat... 

 

I would have like it better if no human was involved.. true fresh start etc

[The Arbiter]

Curious, do we know if the Milky Way does not feature at all? I find it extremely unlikely Adromeda has an N7 program... 

the way I see it. I think there will be a quick story blah blah blah you are sent to infinity and beyond to explore. I see this new game to cater for the new generation of gamers or to attract new customers rather than the old fans. Anyway past is past.