BECAUSE the past games is the reason why this TITLE exist. It's the foundation, this new MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA halabaloo wouldn't exist if it weren't for the past writers and Shepard + crew including the Milkyway
And so you're saying that the Developers have to limit themselves to that?
The setting we explored before was gone between ME1 and ME2. We explored totally different locations in ME2, even the Citadel was different. Didn't stop ME2 from being praised as the best of the trilogy (as baffling as I think it is). Sure, we stayed in the Milky Way but the effect is the same - completely different locations, new squadmates, new enemies and even new goals.
But we still had context. You still had the geth, you still had the krogan, the council, the alliance, and all these things playing off one another.
Moving into Andromeda to get completely away from all those things... That sucks. I mean, let me put it like this, if the endings HADNT sucked, do you all still think we would of gotten Andromeda? No way. The crux of this game doesn't feel like it's because it's a natural continuation of everything that was built in Mass Effect, it feels like an attempt to completely and utterly depart from it. Maybe some of you are fine with that, some of you might even really want that. Hey, that's cool, your opinion, yeah?
But for me, and others like me, it's not what we were hoping for, and it's depressing, if not even a little galling.
Mhe, I'm pretty content with exploring a new galaxy and taking it as a brand new game in the ME universe, provided Bioware keeps their promises storytelling-wise (and possibly a MP as good as ME3MP still is). Sure, I feel a bit bereft not being able to continue with discovering the wonders of the Milky Way, but look how passionate people still are about the endings of ME3. It probably was the only way to keep the negative reactions to a relative minimum.
Besides, it might answer something (else) that bothered me. Had I been a Councilor, or a representative of any of the advanced species, I wouldn't have been satisfied with betting it all on Shepard and some untested super weapon. I'd have a plan B, like some kind of Noah Arch. Vessels for each of the advanced species with enough genetic variety to ensure their survival, and every cultural and technological data they could take with them. That flotilla would gather in Outer space and head to some other galaxy like Andromeda, since they couldn't possibly wait around at the risk of being discovered by the Reapers. That would likely be a one way trip (no way of contacting the Milky way without risking being intercepted by the Reapers during the war, and no way of verifying if any return order wouldn't be a trap).
My preference would go to some kind of extra-galactic travel in cryogenic sleep à la Alien, or The Forever War, then they could go back to using FTL once inside Andromeda.That's a risky plan, but if succesful, it would ensure the continuity of civilisation, as Councilor Tevos would say. I'd like for every of the advanced species to be able to save their civilisation that way (we already have proof there will be Krogan), as well as meet new local species. We'd play the commander of a joint species reconnaissance frigate, first contacting with new species, with all the cultural problems it could bring, facing new dangers (I will miss Tresher maws and varren though). We'd essentially be war refugees/colonialists. I'd be even happier with no romance at all, but I know THAT is too much to ask 
And so you're saying that the Developers have to limit themselves to that?
The only limits they have are the ones they impose on themselves. We could of gotten a game about exploration set in our own galaxy. It could of been cool, I think, if in a post-Reaper galaxy there was this sense of 'we could do that, so we can do anything!' that spurred the races of the galaxy to explore like never before. Which would of had context, seeing as before the Reapers, the Council made it so exploration was nearly impossible. Opening a dormant relay is what sparked the first contact war, after all.
Instead, if the leak is to be believed (which I think it's essentially confirmed at this point), we're going to be hunting down forerunner artifacts in another galaxy. I mean... why? No matter what ending was picked, we have Reaper Tech. Going on a tech hunt when we already have post tech singularity stuff laying around seems... I don't know, redundant?
And so you're saying that the Developers have to limit themselves to that?
what? Where the hell in my post did I imply they have to limit themselves to that? as a matter of fact they do acknowledge my statement. They are sticking to the core formula of the 3 past games with the Mako, exploration, sex, and aliens just without the core story, the core characters and core setting. If you want evolution to Mass Effect then they should include nyan cat and rainbow unicorns
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Besides, it might answer something (else) that bothered me. Had I been a Councilor, or a representative of any of the advanced species, I wouldn't have been satisfied with betting it all on Shepard and some untested super weapon. I'd have a plan B, like some kind of Noah Arch.
The Council didn't even believe any of it. You're basically treated like Fox Mulder. Now they have a Plan B?
But there were other plans going on. Illlusive Man's. And one Councilor -- Udina.
Or do you mean they came up with a plan, post Citadel Coup... and unleashed all of this badass new tech for an "Ark" at the last minute...
As much as I like this whole idea of a completely new frontier, again, with the fact only 1% of the Milky Way has been explored, I feel they could've just as easily gone "so there's a new dormant mass relay we want you to develop a team and investigate the cluster" rather than take you to a whole other galaxy.
But of course, there's the endings from 3, so anything to get away from that snafu I guess. I'm happy with the idea of being an explorer in a whole new area, but I can't help but feel this is a cop-out on the writing team's part so that they don't have to clean up what happened in the Milky Way.
Y'know BioWare, you could've just said MEHEM is canon and I wouldn't've even batted an eyelid...
But we still had context. You still had the geth, you still had the krogan, the council, the alliance, and all these things playing off one another.
Moving into Andromeda to get completely away from all those things... That sucks. I mean, let me put it like this, if the endings HADNT sucked, do you all still think we would of gotten Andromeda? No way. The crux of this game doesn't feel like it's because it's a natural continuation of everything that was built in Mass Effect, it feels like an attempt to completely and utterly depart from it. Maybe some of you are fine with that, some of you might even really want that. Hey, that's cool, your opinion, yeah?
But for me, and others like me, it's not what we were hoping for, and it's depressing, if not even a little galling.
But who said we won't have those in Andromeda? We already saw krogan, turians, devs confirmed that salarians will be there. N7 is there so there will be some connection to the Alliance. That's just going off the limited information they showed. They might as well have all those present in the next game.
Personally, I'm indifferent. I would've liked to stay in Milky Way without addressing the endings and connecting to the trilogy but they decided against it. I'm glad that the trilogy choices won't be retconned or watered down.
If you think that's the case, you're wrong. I mean, again, even in Andromeda, ESPECIALLY in Andromeda, those choices are being watered down to nothing. Are they seriously never going to address the fact that the characters we are playing, the ones in our squad, all the ones from our galaxy, may or may not be cybernetic? Again, either we are because Synthesis happened, we are because in every ending it didn't matter, or they ignore it.
It literally doesn't matter what they do, they can't escape the fact that in some endings, some insanely divergent things happened. I just think since that's going to be the case, anyway, they might as well go the full nine yards and embrace it rather than running away from it, because running away from it is coming at a cost I was really hoping they wouldn't be willing to pay.
All I ask this time around is honesty. No lies. Would rather they rip the band aid off swiftly. "We aren't gonna lie..none of your choices will matter."
If the ark theory is right they don't have to. Or they can make some ships get sunk in a wormhole to Andromeda before getting hit by the wave. If something is not referenced at all, it doesn't mean that the impact is lowered. And my headcanon stays in effect.If you think that's the case, you're wrong. I mean, again, even in Andromeda, ESPECIALLY in Andromeda, those choices are being watered down to nothing. Are they seriously never going to address the fact that the characters we are playing, the ones in our squad, all the ones from our galaxy, may or may not be cybernetic? Again, either we are because Synthesis happened, we are because in every ending it didn't matter, or they ignore it.
It literally doesn't matter what they do, they can't escape the fact that in some endings, some insanely divergent things happened. I just think since that's going to be the case, anyway, they might as well go the full nine yards and embrace it rather than running away from it, because running away from it is coming at a cost I was really hoping they wouldn't be willing to pay.
Of course it doesn't. But it doesn't mean that the move to Andromeda will be explained in a similar way. They might as well give an elaborate and logical explanation while staying true to the lore.
Maybe. It's an entirely reasonable expectation.
But ME3 has taught me not to be so optimistic.
The only limits they have are the ones they impose on themselves. We could of gotten a game about exploration set in our own galaxy. It could of been cool, I think, if in a post-Reaper galaxy there was this sense of 'we could do that, so we can do anything!' that spurred the races of the galaxy to explore like never before. Which would of had context, seeing as before the Reapers, the Council made it so exploration was nearly impossible. Opening a dormant relay is what sparked the first contact war, after all.
Instead, if the leak is to be believed (which I think it's essentially confirmed at this point), we're going to be hunting down forerunner artifacts in another galaxy. I mean... why? No matter what ending was picked, we have Reaper Tech. Going on a tech hunt when we already have post tech singularity stuff laying around seems... I don't know, redundant?
A post-Reaper galaxy with their current endings? No thanks. Either way, the only reason I'm optimistic about this is because it's a fresh start, sort of - because regardless of what they would do, the trilogy they developed is a mess, starting from the original Mass Effect. I don't agree with "disregarding" our choices or the Milky Way, but if it helps develop a better game because of that, then by all means.
If you think that's the case, you're wrong. I mean, again, even in Andromeda, ESPECIALLY in Andromeda, those choices are being watered down to nothing. Are they seriously never going to address the fact that the characters we are playing, the ones in our squad, all the ones from our galaxy, may or may not be cybernetic? Again, either we are because Synthesis happened, we are because in every ending it didn't matter, or they ignore it.
It literally doesn't matter what they do, they can't escape the fact that in some endings, some insanely divergent things happened. I just think since that's going to be the case, anyway, they might as well go the full nine yards and embrace it rather than running away from it, because running away from it is coming at a cost I was really hoping they wouldn't be willing to pay.
Watering the endings down to nothing is frankly at the very bottom of my list of grievances.
I'm much more concerned about them screwing with the lore yet again in order to run away from the problems they themselves caused.
The Council didn't even believe any of it. You're basically treated like Fox Mulder. Now they have a Plan B?
But there were other plans going on. Illlusive Man's. And one Councilor -- Udina.
Or do you mean they came up with a plan, post Citadel Coup... and unleashed all of this badass new tech for an "Ark" at the last minute...
Building the Crucible took time, the same time could have been used to prepare a contingency plan in parallel of building the Crucible, and of course it would have been super secret. The Prothean tried the same, but they chose to hide themselves on isolated planets instead, and it ultimately failed because the Reapers found all of their caches, save for Ilos, but it went wrong too. The plan B I'm refering to doesn't even need new magical tech. They have the tech for cryogenic sleep if they salvaged Javik's pod. And while the departure of the refugee flotilla would have happened a little before the end of the war, the actual game could take place several hundreds of years later, the time required to travel from one galaxy to the other with the tech available in ME3.
We know almost nothing about the MWG.
We know almost nothing about our own oceans now. Yet we are trying to get to Mars and beyond. Humans, eh?
Watering the endings down to nothing is frankly at the very bottom of my list of grievances.
I'm much more concerned about them screwing with the lore yet again in order to run away from the problems they themselves caused.
Well be prepared to be dissapointed.
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Building the Crucible took time, the same time could have been used to prepare a contingency plan in parallel of building the Crucible, and of course it would have been super secret. The Prothean tried the same, but they chose to hide themselves on isolated planets instead, and it ultimately failed because the Reapers found all of their caches, save for Ilos, but it went wrong too. The plan B I'm refering to doesn't even need new magical tech. They have the tech for cryogenic sleep if they salvaged Javik's pod. And while the departure of the refugee flotilla would have happened a little before the end of the war, the actual game could take place several hundreds of years later, the time required to travel from one galaxy to the other with the tech available in ME3.
The Crucible didn't take long...especially after the Coup. The Reaper war is only months long.
Cryogenics does kind of work though.. I'll give you that. As long as the cryo pods were safe and not wiped out in a low Destroy ending. Or completely isolated.
All I ask this time around is honesty. No lies. Would rather they rip the band aid off swiftly. "We aren't gonna lie..none of your choices will matter."
For God's sake, this. Stop playing footsies and just get it over with. At least then people who aren't happy about it can deal with it and move on and the people who are happy about it can stay and get hyped for the game. As it is we're just waiting around, clawing at eachother's throats in the meantime.
If the ark theory is right they don't have to. Or they can make some ships get sunk in a wormhole to Andromeda before getting hit by the wave. If something is not referenced at all, it doesn't mean that the impact is lowered. And my headcanon stays in effect.
I'm not trying to be rude, but your headcanon doesn't matter to anyone but you. I mean, it's nice when everything lines up, but it should not be a priority for the developers to cater to the imaginations of a few of their fans. If they're really that afraid of stepping on toes, they aren't going to be able to do anything interesting.
Anyway, again, the idea of there being an Ark Ship (doesn't make sense, why didn't the Protheans try this if they had more advanced tech than us?) and a wormhole (contrived) are not evolutions of what is part of the story, but hamfisted in so they can escape the fact that they butchered the setting they made beyond repair.
Again, the single sticking point for me here isn't that Andromeda was not made to build upon the Mass Effect setting, it was made because the Mass Effect setting was damaged to the point where it's not something we can ever even revisit. That's the foundation of the entire concept of Andromeda, and everything therefore is going to have to stem from that.
That isn't something that excites me or inspires confidence in the writers and developers. It tells me they're scared to death of taking what they had and making it work because, frankly, they don't know how, or are unwilling to take risks. Andromeda feels like it's playing it so safe by ignoring the setting that I'm worried the disk is going to come with training wheels.
It didn't take long. The Reaper war is only months long.
Cryogenics does kind of work though.. I'll give you that. As long as they the cryo pods were safe and not wiped out in a low Destroy ending.
I honestly don't see how organising this would take longer than the crucible war. In terms of ressources, I'd think building and protecting the crucible would be more costly than retrofitting existing vessels for cryogenic sleep travel. I mean we are talking science fiction either way.
The crucible beam can only affect area within a certain distance of Mass relays. It the flotilla is already in outer space by that time, there's no problem
For God's sake, this. Stop playing footsies and just get it over with. At least then people who aren't happy about it can deal with it and move on and the people who are happy about it can stay and get hyped for the game. As it is we're just waiting around, clawing at eachother's throats in the meantime.
This would be lovely...but then I remember when they were selling all of their DLC for ME3 "I will not confirm or deny this affects the ending in anyway." Of course they will lie, now that I think about it....
For God's sake, this. Stop playing footsies and just get it over with. At least then people who aren't happy about it can deal with it and move on and the people who are happy about it can stay and get hyped for the game. As it is we're just waiting around, clawing at eachother's throats in the meantime.
I'm not trying to be rude, but your headcanon doesn't matter to anyone but you. I mean, it's nice when everything lines up, but it should not be a priority for the developers to cater to the imaginations of a few of their fans. If they're really that afraid of stepping on toes, they aren't going to be able to do anything interesting.
Anyway, again, the idea of there being an Ark Ship (doesn't make sense, why didn't the Protheans try this if they had more advanced tech than us?) and a wormhole (contrived) are not evolutions of what is part of the story, but hamfisted in so they can escape the fact that they butchered the setting they made beyond repair.
Again, the single sticking point for me here isn't that Andromeda was not made to build upon the Mass Effect setting, it was made because the Mass Effect setting was damaged to the point where it's not something we can ever even revisit. That's the foundation of the entire concept of Andromeda, and everything therefore is going to have to stem from that.
That isn't something that excites me or inspires confidence in the writers and developers. It tells me they're scared to death of taking what they had and making it work because, frankly, they don't know how, or are unwilling to take risks. Andromeda feels like it's playing it so safe by ignoring the setting that I'm worried the disk is going to come with training wheels.
Mass Effect: Andromeda = Mass Effect: We Done Screwed Up
Yup that's why I'm following DOOM 4 right now still on Mars after all these years looking pretty bloody too id software sticked with their formula despite others claiming otherwise, it still is a good slow gory brutal fps shooter. Still needs more blood though
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I honestly don't see how organising this would take longer than the crucible war. In terms of ressources, I'd think building and protecting the crucible would be more costly than retrofitting existing vessels for cryogenic sleep travel. I mean we are talking science fiction either way.
The crucible beam can only affect area within a certain distance of Mass relays. It the flotilla is already in outer space by that time, there's no problem
So it's out in space. Who runs the ship? Mass Effect drives need a lot of maintenance. They can't run at FTL speeds for long, without discharging.
Or are they lying dormant in the Milky Way itself and not running at all? I can't tell if you're saying this is the ship that'll take them to Andromeda. If they're not running at all, then they may just wake up in a galaxy that's possibly destroyed and no help at all. There's not much basis for moving to Andromeda from that.
Well be prepared to be dissapointed.
Isn't that the franchise's tagline at this point?
Seriously though, getting as far away from that hot mess of a trilogy for the follow up has always been the most likely option for them to take.
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