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[RiptideX1090]

I see people giving doom **** for being too cinematic and slow

 

Look, I see people stepping in to defend the developers and stuff and it's like... come on. It's the internet. Yeah, you're going to have asshats who make a big deal about everything, who are going to ******, who are going to give you ****. That's just part of it. If you're a game developer, it's something you just have to deal with, and you got to make your decisions based on what you, as a creator, think is best. Obviously, that's what they're doing for Mass Effect: Andromeda.

 

It's just that I don't agree with their decision, and am trying to explain why. I'm not bitching just to ******, I'm debating because I am passionate about this setting and I do have a stake in this fight.

[spirosz]

Yep. 

[spirosz]

Look, I see people stepping in to defend the developers and stuff and it's like... come on. It's the internet. Yeah, you're going to have asshats who make a big deal about everything, who are going to ******, who are going to give you ****. That's just part of it. If you're a game developer, it's something you just have to deal with, and you got to make your decisions based on what you, as a creator, think is best. Obviously, that's what they're doing for Mass Effect: Andromeda.

 

It's just that I don't agree with their decision, and am trying to explain why. I'm not bitching just to ******, I'm debating because I am passionate about this setting and I do have a stake in this fight.

 

Too bad their decisions couldn't lead to actually decisions mattering in game.  

 

[Fade9wayz]

So it's out in space. Who runs the ship? Mass Effect drives need a lot of maintenance. They can't run at FTL speeds for long, without discharging.

 

Or are they lying dormant in the Milky Way itself and not running at all? I can't tell if you're saying this is the ship that'll take them to Andromeda. If they're not running at all, then they may just wake up in a galaxy that's possibly destroyed and no help at all. There's not much basis for moving to Andromeda from that.

A VI or an AI like EDI, at this point it could even be an EDI.02 (yes, I know at this point I'm dreaming), with orders to wake certain key crew members at regular intervals, or in case of emergency. In The Forever War, the vessels don't fly at FTL, they actually fly barely under Lightspeed. And yes, they might end up in a galaxy that is in worse shape thean the Milky way, but if the European of the XIXe century had all thought like that, there would have been more death due to starvation at the time. It's a risk, but it can pay.

 

I don't know if the ship we see in the teaser can fly intergalactically. As far as I can tell, they seem to already be intra-galaxy. That ship might be bigger than we think and able to travel extra-galactically, or is part of some mother space-ship and sent out for scouting and such.

[Kunari801]

Personally I would like more dialogs, more interaction with crew, more exploring, more decision making and much less running with guns.

And of course deep romantic interaction.

If you like running with guns go play "company of heroes" or another brainless shooter.

This is suppose is to be sci fi game... talky and techy

 

I like the action too, ME and ME2 (especially with the free Hammerhead DLC) did a great job of balancing.  Ok, ok, ME2 took out a bit too much exploration with the smaller corridor maps, but ME:A could fix that with bigger maps and the return of the --hopefully easier to drive-- MAKO.  

 

Note: I liked the MAKO, and Hammerhead, and didn't have any problems controlling them on PC.  On XBox the MAKO was for S***t. 

[Maniccc]

So..you guys realize that new galaxy equals no asari, et al?  Only the people who came with you on the ship....  

[Dabrikishaw]

Agreed. This the best way they could have gone about the whole thing.

[Fade9wayz]

So..you guys realize that new galaxy equals no asari, et al?  Only the people who came with you on the ship....  

No, it means there will be less Asari, and well, less everything Milky Way related. I will miss Aria too... Shame, such a colourful character

[Vazgen]

I'm not trying to be rude, but your headcanon doesn't matter to anyone but you. I mean, it's nice when everything lines up, but it should not be a priority for the developers to cater to the imaginations of a few of their fans. If they're really that afraid of stepping on toes, they aren't going to be able to do anything interesting.

 

Anyway, again, the idea of there being an Ark Ship (doesn't make sense, why didn't the Protheans try this if they had more advanced tech than us?) and a wormhole (contrived) are not evolutions of what is part of the story, but hamfisted in so they can escape the fact that they butchered the setting they made beyond repair.

 

Again, the single sticking point for me here isn't that Andromeda was not made to build upon the Mass Effect setting, it was made because the Mass Effect setting was damaged to the point where it's not something we can ever even revisit. That's the foundation of the entire concept of Andromeda, and everything therefore is going to have to stem from that.

 

That isn't something that excites me or inspires confidence in the writers and developers. It tells me they're scared to death of taking what they had and making it work because, frankly, they don't know how, or are unwilling to take risks. Andromeda feels like it's playing it so safe by ignoring the setting that I'm worried the disk is going to come with training wheels.

No offense taken, but you seem to misunderstood the reason why I brought my headcanon in the first place. Of course, they should not care about headcanon of some random guy when making the new game. What they should care about (and do, based on their statements) is for that guy's headcanon to be as valid as any other fan's. The choices matter for each player, every player ends up with a unique world state in the end. 

 

Maybe Andromeda is a result of not wanting to deal with the endings. Maybe it is a result of wanting to avoid any possible requests to bring the old crew back. Maybe it was the best way to implement the story they wanted to tell. We don't know the exact reason. I can give one way of setting the game in Milky Way without dealing with the ending which is no less contrived than currently suggested ideas - A region of space unaffected by the Crucible wave. The races of the trilogy have already settled that region of space. The only reason the wave doesn't reach there is because they sacrifice a key relay connecting their sector to the trilogy locations. They are cut away from the rest of the galaxy and are forced to search for new trade partners and resources, thus activating dormant relays and exploring the rest of the galaxy.

 

And I disagree about this being a safe move for them. Moving to another setting is a big risk. More than staying in Milky Way, I might add.

[Maniccc]

No, it means there will be less Asari, and well, less everything Milky Way related. I will miss Aria too... Shame, such a colourful character

Right, less Asari, as in, whoever is with you on your N7 ship crew....  Like I said....  smh

[Kunari801]

But we still had context. You still had the geth, you still had the krogan, the council, the alliance, and all these things playing off one another.

 

Moving into Andromeda to get completely away from all those things... That sucks. I mean, let me put it like this, if the endings HADNT sucked, do you all still think we would of gotten Andromeda? No way. The crux of this game doesn't feel like it's because it's a natural continuation of everything that was built in Mass Effect, it feels like an attempt to completely and utterly depart from it. Maybe some of you are fine with that, some of you might even really want that. Hey, that's cool, your opinion, yeah?

 

But for me, and others like me, it's not what we were hoping for, and it's depressing, if not even a little galling.

 

One of the jokes during the the ending fiasco was that the next game would be set "A long time from now in a galaxy far far away"... Well, jokes on us.  BAZINGA!   Yet, I'm still hopeful for ME:A, we haven't seen enough yet.  Explaining; Who (what races) went to Andromeda?  How'd they get there?  When did they leave on the ME timeline?  Plus more about the new games settings and general story arc need to be revealed before I can judge ME:A.  

 

Sure, dumping the Milky Way and all that lore stings. I too loved the setting and races in ME and I have my own ideas on how they could have set a sequel  in the Milky Way while still not completely ignoring the endings.  Yet, I'm still hopeful for ME:A

 

I'm going to wait for more information on ME:A

[The Elder King]

So..you guys realize that new galaxy equals no asari, et al?  Only the people who came with you on the ship....

Assuming there's a small ship, or only one ship .

[NM_Che56]

 

It's a good sentiment, as it's also inevitable that some people will be unhappy with the direction.

This^

 

And if they're mad, then they should leave.  take their discontent elsewhere and do stuff they like.

[Pasquale1234]

If you think that's the case, you're wrong. I mean, again, even in Andromeda, ESPECIALLY in Andromeda, those choices are being watered down to nothing. Are they seriously never going to address the fact that the characters we are playing, the ones in our squad, all the ones from our galaxy, may or may not be cybernetic? Again, either we are because Synthesis happened, we are because in every ending it didn't matter, or they ignore it.

Cybernetics are already a thing in the original trilogy.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if more / most of the characters in ME:A are 'synthesized' - not because they canonize the synthesis ending, but because, as the Catalyst says, "it is inevitable".

[Kunari801]

Mass Effect:  Andromeda = Mass Effect: We Done Screwed Up

 

LOL, but we knew that they screwed up Mass Effect before the end of March 2012.   We'll see what ME:A brings, I'm waiting on more before passing judgement.  If there is a reasonable explanation of Who, How, and When the ship(s) moved to Andromeda then I can get behind ME:A.  

 

 

Well be prepared to be dissapointed. 

 

Well, some group always would be, "You can't please all of the people all of the time.  But pissing off everyone is easy!"  

[jak11164]

So..you guys realize that new galaxy equals no asari, et al?  Only the people who came with you on the ship....  

there is krogn on the ship maybe asari too. I watched teaser frame by frame and female character is definitely human because she have human skin tone not blue.

[jak11164]

I like the action too, ME and ME2 (especially with the free Hammerhead DLC) did a great job of balancing.  Ok, ok, ME2 took out a bit too much exploration with the smaller corridor maps, but ME:A could fix that with bigger maps and the return of the --hopefully easier to drive-- MAKO.  

 

Note: I liked the MAKO, and Hammerhead, and didn't have any problems controlling them on PC.  On XBox the MAKO was for S***t. 

in ME3..... they should explore Leviathan content. If they made it main motive we still could play in Milky Way with Shepard alive and kicking.

Game need mystery, twist of action, characters we love (like Areis and Tifa) and definitely should not end with killing main character we created and tend for an entire trilogy.

   

[Maniccc]

there is krogn on the ship maybe asari too. I watched teaser frame by frame and female character is definitely human because she have human skin tone not blue.

Yes, like I said, only the ones on the ship with you....  People are going on about wanting all these different Milky Way galaxy races to show up in Andromeda...how is that going to happen?  It's a different freaking galaxy!  And what, are we taking a few thousand of every Milky Way galaxy race with us?  Is this some sort of version of the Protheans sleeping chambers, but we felt hey, let's ship them off in stasis to another galaxy, sure this will work out really well.  I mean, it's not like the Reapers hang out in darkspace, and surely a billion year old race of super powerful sentient space machines NEVER would have traveled to Andromeda...yeah makes perfect sense.  It's like a 5 year old came up with this stuff.

[Hiemoth]

 

in ME3..... they should explore Leviathan content. If they made it main motive we still could play in Milky Way with Shepard alive and kicking.

Game need mystery, twist of action, characters we love (like Areis and Tifa) and definitely should not end with killing main character we created and tend for an entire trilogy.

   

 

 

But this doesn't make sense. What happened at the end of ME3 would still have happened in this universe, we are just at a different location. So if you got the gasp of breath ending, then Shepard would be there alive. If you took Control, then Shepard would be guiding the Reapers. All that still happened. This is just at a different location.

[jtav]

Even without RGB, the krogan could be going extinct or thriving. The geth and quarians could both be dead. I can't blame them for going with a clean slate.

[Kappa Neko]

Look, no, I'm sorry, but they can't ignore the endings, even in this.

 

I mean, our characters are either going to all be cyborgs or they aren't, right? That isn't something you can just gloss over. Either synthesis is canon, we all ended up cybernetic regardless of choice, or they never touch on it at all, which... I don't know, that just seems silly. If everything is partly synthetic now, that feels like something they're going to have to address in some fashion, otherwise just pretending they can never bring it up is like... I don't even know a good metaphor, honestly.

 

I don't know, maybe Andromeda will be a breath of fresh air and it'll be good. I'm not going to pretend I'm not going to keep up with it or that I'm not interested in more Mass Effect. I ****** love Mass Effect, it's why I'm here. I'm just having such a hard time wrapping my head around all of this.

 

This solves it in my opinion:

If the ark theory is right they don't have to. Or they can make some ships get sunk in a wormhole to Andromeda before getting hit by the wave. If something is not referenced at all, it doesn't mean that the impact is lowered. And my headcanon stays in effect.

Nobody knows how far-reaching the wave was but I doubt it extended to entirely different galaxies...

My speculation is the arc theory too and that it was conceived during the reaper war. It looked utterly hopeless. Makes sense they were desperate for a back-up plan.

Now that we have to contend with Andromeda, I prefer them abandoning the milky way because of the reaper war, not the catastrophic destruction they caused on the major planets. As appealing as a wasteland scenario could have been, that's something to be explored in itself. I'd LOVE to see what the milky way looked like after the reapers. Desperate people trying to survive on planets poisoned with reaper corpses. THAT I would have liked for ME4. But since we're leaving all that behind, I like the idea best that they left and never found out if Shepard actually beat the reapers. Which leaves a backdoor open for a return to the milky way in a future title... somebody travels back and realizes that not everything went to **** after all. Surprise! Grab your toys kids, we're going home! *gets teary-eyed just thinking about it*

 

 

[jak11164]

But this doesn't make sense. What happened at the end of ME3 would still have happened in this universe, we are just at a different location. So if you got the gasp of breath ending, then Shepard would be there alive. If you took Control, then Shepard would be guiding the Reapers. All that still happened. This is just at a different location.

ofc its in different location. All what happened in ME3 killed franchise in our galaxy. I just said they could have left it opened... if they wanted.

I never took Control because I do not like it

 But they wanted to finish the story and Reapes are dead or ruling galaxy and this story is over, finito, the end, no mass relay. Races in our galaxy do not understand mass relay. They use it, but can not build it. Whole concept of moving 215.000.000 light years into another galaxy is thin as we use alien technology (that we can not understand) to move in radius of barely 120.000 light years.

Game as it is should not have name Mass Effect anymore. They want new game OK name  it N7 Andromeda. Get Aladdin lamp and jump into another galaxy

And still I want mystery, twist of action, characters we love (like Areis and Tifa) and definitely should not end with killing main character we created and tend for an entire trilogy

[Kappa Neko]

After a few hours of mulling over the reality of the trailer pretty much confirming the leak (I never doubted it but now it's "for real"), I like Andromeda less and less for entirely sentimental reasons. I'm not emotionally invested in the Mass Effect universe as an abstract thing, a never-ending frontier. The playground that ME:A seems to offer. I'm invested in the characters and by extension the societies/planets they came from. And we've barely even scratched the surface of those familiar races.

For many years now I've been DYING to see all the home worlds, but ME3 only took us to snapshot locations of some of them. I want to see the quarians on Rannoch without their masks so fu*king badly! I want to see them rebuild, see the joy on their faces after such a long time. How will it change their society now that they aren't nomads anymore? That's totally fascinating to me, seeing people react to change.

What happens to the krogan now that the genophage is cured?

 

I know that the fate of the quarians and the krogan were entirely up to each player. But like others have said, they could have just decided on a canon and worked with that. They would have had to do that anyway with the ending disaster not being viable for much. I wouldn't have been mad if some of the canon choices weren't mine. I'll take ANYTHING over a clean slate far far away with everyone I cared about long dead. Not even Dragon Age is like that. It's a continuum with carry-over characters. I'm extremely sad right now that we won't be getting this because Bioware scrwed it up so royally and takes the easiest way out.

 

I think I'm going through a mild second mourning phase since this morning. Shepard and everyone (or most of the people) I loved are definitely history. It's not like I didn't know that back in 2012, but having confirmation now still makes me feel really sad. Maybe because not only are they taking Shepard from us, something I can understand, the reaper story is done, but they are taking EVERYTHING away, replacing it with god knows what...

Now, the new galaxy we will be exploring doesn't have to be bad or that much inferior. It could even be better (the set-up, not the new hero who will most likely be a letdown like every DA character). But I feel such a loss. I always thought that continuing the Mass Effect galaxy actually meant staying in that galaxy, having former squadmates around like in Dragon Age. That was... comforting. I want to explore a few more home worlds, and this time in detail. I want REAL big cities to explore. The reapers destroyed everything, yes, but set only 50 years in the future, it could all have been rebuilt. I mean, didn't the epilogue even suggest that the mass relays will be rebuilt?

Andromeda better not be one big NOTHING like Inquisition's maps. They were pretty. They had cute animals. You could harvest ingredients. I had a lot of fun, loved the game. But they had no cities but one small area of one city in Orlais, only ONE small Dalish settlement. A few forts. From what I've heard, Novigrad in Witcher 3 is as big as Florence in Assassin's Creed. HUGE. (I have yet to play it, but I will.) The old consoles would probably have exploded in DAI's case. Maybe they were just lazy. Who knows. But ME:A better have more than alien vegetation and monsters on those planets. I want to explore CIVILIZATIONS. If we can't explore more of the milky way civilizations, at least give us a really cool new POPULATED galaxy.

Not really holding my breath tbh...

[jak11164]

Yes, like I said, only the ones on the ship with you....  People are going on about wanting all these different Milky Way galaxy races to show up in Andromeda...how is that going to happen?  It's a different freaking galaxy!  And what, are we taking a few thousand of every Milky Way galaxy race with us?  Is this some sort of version of the Protheans sleeping chambers, but we felt hey, let's ship them off in stasis to another galaxy, sure this will work out really well.  I mean, it's not like the Reapers hang out in darkspace, and surely a billion year old race of super powerful sentient space machines NEVER would have traveled to Andromeda...yeah makes perfect sense.  It's like a 5 year old came up with this stuff.

I'm not sure if reapers could move into another galaxy. A billion = 100.000.000 you need 2.5 billion years to move into another galaxy with light speed and as we know reapers can not cross speed limit. Faster if you have mass relay but you need establish receiver there with sub light speed flight so much more than 2.5 billion years.

[shepskisaac]

I'm not sure if reapers could move into another galaxy. A billion = 100.000.000 you need 2.5 billion years to move into another galaxy with light speed and as we know reapers can not cross speed limit. Faster if you have mass relay but you need establish receiver there with sub light speed flight so much more than 2.5 billion years.

You're forgetting crucial lore. FTL = faster than light. Standard ME cruisers go at 12 light years / day speed. Reapers travel at 30 ly/day speed (from ME3 lore). This means around 500+/200+ years of journey to Andromeda.