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[Indigenous]

'Good reason for provoking a reaction' is subjective. I don't see any differences about those characters, and I their stories make sense.

I think you are reaching dude. You are also creating points to counter.

 

I never mentioned a 'good' reason. What I did write is that their main purpose is to provoke a reaction. You cant say this of Mass Effect 2 as you had to recruit people for your suicide mission. Your argument against Javik makes no sense as he is the only living Prothean I have heard of in the Mass Effect universe and adds alot of information on protheans to the story. If there are more protheans then I am sorry for my ignorance, however if there are not I could care less about baseless speculation. You at least agree with my view on Iron Bull.

 

This isn't about mages having differing views. In fact I don't think there is a mage we have met in the Dragon Age universe that has said mages are not dangerous. Vivienne seems to believes only mages are dangerous. Its either lack of forethought from her creator or to provoke a reaction. Its not like she adds much to the story either.

 

I don't like arguing with people on forums...

[The Elder King]

I think you are reaching dude. You are also creating points to counter.
 
I never mentioned a 'good' reason. What I did write is that their main purpose is to provoke a reaction. You cant say this of Mass Effect 2 as you had to recruit people for your suicide mission. Your argument against Javik makes no sense as he is the only living Prothean I have heard of in the Mass Effect universe and adds alot of information on protheans to the story. If there are more protheans then I am sorry for my ignorance, however if there are not I could care less about baseless speculation. You at least agree with my view on Iron Bull.
 
This isn't about mages having differing views. In fact I don't think there is a mage we have met in the Dragon Age universe that has said mages are not dangerous. Vivienne seems to believes only mages are dangerous. Its either lack of forethought from her creator or to provoke a reaction. Its not like she adds much to the story either.
 
I don't like arguing with people on forums...

...You mentioned 'Good reason' in the first line of the post I quoted .
Adding information on Protheans doesn't mean he added something to ME3's plot. Bull talked about qunari and the war with Tevinter too.
Yes, there aren't Protheans in previous games. The situation is a bit different from Bull since we know a bit about qunari, but it doesn't change the fact that people had expectations on Protheans based on What was said before.
I agree with You only on liking Sten more. I don't have problem with Bull being that way, and I don't think he was created to trigger a reaction. It makes sense that he's like that. That doesn't mean that most qunari should be like him.
I don't recall Vivienne saying mages Are the only one dangerous. I recall she said mages Are more dangerous.

[DFMelancholine]

What I'd love to have?

Well-written characters, above all.

Some wishes?

Definitely and awesome female Turian and a badass Batarian so we can get to know their race a bit better ,they've always been painted in a very negative light

Another idea would be if we had a Hanar on our ship , not as squad member but at least have one around the ship.Would be cool.

 

 

What we'll probably get?

 A human of course.Kaidan/Ashley 2.0, a Vega type or maybe a human version of Mordin (nerdy guy scientist stereotype)

An Asari of course (can't have a ME game without an Asari LI )

Generic aggressive krogan aka. discount Wrex/Grunt

Might get a Turian if we're lucky.The honorable-totally-not-Garrus-2.0 kind of type.Not C-sec this time.Maybe a soldier.

 

[Salfurium]

I personally would like to see:

•   male Quarian vanguard/soldier/adept
•   female Turian adept/vanguard/soldier/sentinel
•   AI (preferably Geth)
•   Batarian
•   Asari sentinel
•   female Krogan
•   new species

Other companions with an even mix of all established races (including Volus, Elcor, Hanar, Drell, potentially Vorcha) and maybe one new race.

I'd hate to see the Reapers or the Morning War mentioned in more than a small joke over the course of the entire game.

[Indigenous]

...You mentioned 'Good reason' in the first line of the post I quoted .
Adding information on Protheans doesn't mean he added something to ME3's plot. Bull talked about qunari and the war with Tevinter too.
Yes, there aren't Protheans in previous games. The situation is a bit different from Bull since we know a bit about qunari, but it doesn't change the fact that people had expectations on Protheans based on What was said before.
I agree with You only on liking Sten more. I don't have problem with Bull being that way, and I don't think he was created to trigger a reaction. It makes sense that he's like that. That doesn't mean that most qunari should be like him.
I don't recall Vivienne saying mages Are the only one dangerous. I recall she said mages Are more dangerous.

No I mean I never mentioned a 'good' reason. I never said what a good reason was or is, yet you found something wrong with my words. You were stretching for a point to make where there were none.
 

I'm sorry but when you lose a point the best thing you can do is put your hand up and say touche or whatever nonsense people say when they lose arguments. Don't really have much experience in that area. I'm sure you probably already know. I really, really don't understand your Javik argument.

 

 

Ok, what was Iron Bull's purpose then?

 

Tell me of the other groups Vivienne finds dangerous, please.

[The Elder King]

No I mean I never mentioned a 'good' reason. I never said what a good reason was or is, yet you found something wrong with my words. You were stretching for a point to make where there were none.
 
I'm sorry but when you lose a point the best thing you can do is put your hand up and say touche or whatever nonsense people say when they lose arguments. Don't really have much experience in that area. I'm sure you probably already know. I really, really don't understand your Javik argument.
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=o_wD_PWSKSw
 
Ok, what was Iron Bull's purpose then?
 
Tell me of the other groups Vivienne finds dangerous, please.

I honestly don't have clue What you're talking about. You said , again by quote 'No Javik was prothean he had good reason for provoking a reaction'. I said that You finding that Javik had a Good reason Is subjective. That's all. I wasn't trying to make any other point.
Again, How is showing the Prothean's plan to survive Reapers relevant to ME3ks plot. I can play the game without it And I wouldn't miss anything other then Prothean's history. Bull adds info about the Qun and the war with Tevinter. I don't get What you mean with purpose though.
Javik was actually supposed To be tied to ME3's plot (the crucible, I think), They cut all of it.
It doesn't work this way. The fact that Vivienne focused on mages (Which is something several characters do because Booware often focused on one plot for companion dialogues) doesn't mean she thinks everyone else isn't dangerous. Unless she says that only mages Are dangerous.

[stysiaq]

I bet on the regular BioWare companion roster. They're doing pretty much the same characters since BG1. There's a loveable brute, a childish girl, bland dude noone cares about but is a romance option, etc.

 

I wonder who will be the new Liara/Leliana/Mission/Dawn Star/Aerie, that's the BioWare character that I loathe the most.

[Daemul]

I really don't care since there's guaranteed to be at least two humans in the squad and I'll stick with them 99% of the time anyway, everyone else is just going to make up the numbers. 

[Indigenous]

My bad you may be right about that good reason point. Touche.

 

I said Iron Bull, Sera and Vivienne's only purpose is to provoke a reaction. You say 'nuh uh, you're wrong'. Then answer my question so I can understand what you are saying. You haven't been very clear so far. Lets get to the bottom of this.

 

• What was Iron Bull's purpose then?
• Tell me of the other groups Vivienne finds dangerous, please.

 

This is what I mean by stretching. If you are right and I am wrong you are going to have explain in a way that I can understand which is why I am being very specific now. You are very sneaky. I have made certain points I am going to now force you to respond to. No more argumental acrobatics please. Very simple questions.

[Indigenous]

I just noticed this is probably not the place to talk about this. I was right you were shifty. Lets call it quits.

[Malthier]

My bad you may be right about that good reason point. Touche.

 

I said Iron Bull, Sera and Vivienne's only purpose is to provoke a reaction. You say 'nuh uh, you're wrong'. Then answer my question so I can understand what you are saying. You haven't been very clear so far. Lets get to the bottom of this.

 

• What was Iron Bull's purpose then?
• Tell me of the other groups Vivienne finds dangerous, please.

 

This is what I mean by stretching. If you are right and I am wrong you are going to have explain in a way that I can understand which is why I am being very specific now. You are very sneaky. I have made certain points I am going to now force you to respond to. No more argumental acrobatics please. Very simple questions.

 

What you're calling "argument acrobatics" is just normal logic. You were accusing him of misquoting you (he wasn't), and now you're misquoting him. He never said, "nuh uh, you're wrong." He asked you what you were talking about when you claimed that certain DAI characters were primarily there to "get a reaction." 

 

You've not answered any question he posed, and now you're demanding answers from him? Lol. 

[The Elder King]

My bad you may be right about that good reason point. Touche.

I said Iron Bull, Sera and Vivienne's only purpose is to provoke a reaction. You say 'nuh uh, you're wrong'. Then answer my question so I can understand what you are saying. You haven't been very clear so far. Lets get to the bottom of this.

• What was Iron Bull's purpose then?
• Tell me of the other groups Vivienne finds dangerous, please.

This is what I mean by stretching. If you are right and I am wrong you are going to have explain in a way that I can understand which is why I am being very specific now. You are very sneaky. I have made certain points I am going to now force you to respond to. No more argumental acrobatics please. Very simple questions.

I was never sneaky, and for the record You never explained what do you mean with 'reaction' or 'purpose'. Characters Are always created for triggering something, Regardless if it's love/like or hate/dislike.

1)Iron Bull's purpose is to add a character to use in combat, Which You can talk about and give additional info on the Qun. If You mean purpose in the story, he has little to none. He's an optional companion with little relevant to the main plot. As the majority of Bioware companions.
2)i already responded, I don't think she mentioned somebody. The fact that she doesn't mention somebody doesn't mean that she thinks non-mages Aren't dangerous. That would be an illogical statement. At worst it'd mean she's obsessed with mages. Or do you believe she thinks red templars or darkspawn aren't dangerous?

[The Elder King]

What you're calling "argument acrobatics" is just normal logic. You were accusing him of misquoting you (he wasn't), and now you're misquoting him. He never said, "nuh uh, you're wrong." He asked you what you were talking about when you claimed that certain DAI characters were primarily there to "get a reaction." 
 
You've not answered any question he posed, and now you're demanding answers from him? Lol.

Thanks.

I just noticed this is probably not the place to talk about this. I was right you were shifty. Lets call it quits.

Nah, I responded. You should give people time to write.

[Broganisity]

Actually talking about Mass Effect in this, a Mass Effect thread:
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We'll have our 'Liara' character, no doubt. I hope they are kill-able.

 

I hope we have at least two squadmates that are new species (either Milky Way species never seen, or Andromeda species), and a Batarian that turns the 'all Batarians are Bioware's plot cannon fodder' trope on its head.

 

I just realized how ridiculously easy it would be to save the Vorcha species, though I can't say I'd care to have one on my ship unless it was still voiced by Broshep.

 

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I already expressed my thoughts on a Krogan character in this thread, in may of 2015 I mentioned that Krogan again in this thread (Guess who was wrong about Andromeda guys!   ), and he was first created in a conversation with Catastrophy and can be seen in part in this, Zarr's second thread appearance ever (2012). . . I can't find his original thread though, but ZARR'S STORY WILL NEVER END!

I'd now like to see a Quarian Soldier, similar in skills as the Tactician in Multiplayer. Someone who is calm, collected, and a no-nonsense veteran who operates by the book. ALWAYS. BY. THE BOOK.

 

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In general, while I like the 'crazy badass' characters in Bioware games, I tend to like characters who are calmer, or at least have an aura of professionalism when they are operating. . .and that's about it from me for now.

[Indigenous]

I was never sneaky, and for the record You never explained what do you mean with 'reaction' or 'purpose'. Characters Are always created for triggering something, Regardless if it's love/like or hate/dislike.

1)Iron Bull's purpose is to add a character to use in combat, Which You can talk about and give additional info on the Qun. If You mean purpose in the story, he has little to none. He's an optional companion with little relevant to the main plot. As the majority of Bioware companions.
2)i already responded, I don't think she mentioned somebody. The fact that she doesn't mention somebody doesn't mean that she thinks non-mages Aren't dangerous. That would be an illogical statement. At worst it'd mean she's obsessed with mages. Or do you believe she thinks red templars or darkspawn aren't dangerous?

Of course you're sneaky. "Again, How is showing the Prothean's plan to survive Reapers relevant to ME3ks plot." What is this in response to? I never mentioned a thing about the plot. For the record, not knowing what I meant by reaction or purpose never stopped you from having a problem with my use of those words. By purpose, I am talking about what they were designed to do.

 

You don't think Vivienne mentioned anyone? Than how on earth could you say this? "I don't recall Vivienne saying mages Are the only one dangerous. I recall she said mages Are more dangerous." More dangerous than what? An example of argumental acrobatics for those who have never seen its like.

 

You see the problem here? Even though you say something faulty you are right back to asking weird questions. "The fact that she doesn't mention somebody doesn't mean that she thinks non-mages Aren't dangerous. That would be an illogical statement. " You do realise that you just defined an illogical statement as putting too much plausibility on what what someone says and not enough on what that person hasn't said. I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make here. You couldn't simply say 'Daaaaaamn you got me there, I was jigging n twisting but I couldn't recall any groups she mentioned'.

 

This is my point padawan, she doesn't hate any other group as much as she seemingly hates mages which leads me to believe her characters purpose was specifically to be a mage that didn't like mages. You couldn't point out that maybe free mages are not the biggest threat in Thedas. Vivienne is the closest thing we may get to a homophobe or racist in a Bioware game. It would have been good if her character's background made some sense or she was able to grow a little.

 

On to Iron Bull. You believe Iron Bull was just for combat use and to give additional info on the Qun? I believe he was designed to do more than that but his purpose was to say, 'hey I am a Qunari with a personality. Look at me.' (I am misquoting Iron Bull on that statement too)

 

This is my last question to you about Iron Bull. What additional information about the Qun did we learn from Iron Bull that we hadn't already learnt from some other source?

 

This argument is so stupid. Lets just say I was right and call it quits?

[Indigenous]

So english?

What you're calling "argument acrobatics" is just normal logic. You were accusing him of misquoting you (he wasn't), and now you're misquoting him. He never said, "nuh uh, you're wrong." He asked you what you were talking about when you claimed that certain DAI characters were primarily there to "get a reaction." 

 

You've not answered any question he posed, and now you're demanding answers from him? Lol. 

You are right of course. Apart from his first question to me (Iron Bull ? Ironbull is almost the polar opposite of most Qunari we have met in the Dragon Age series.) I didn't answer any of his other questions, well apart from when he asked me that other question about Vivienne (Why on Earth Vivienne's position or story makes no sense? Vivienne seems to believes only mages are dangerous.) Yeah so apart from when he asked me questions I did not answer his questions. I know he didnt say, 'nuh-uh, you're wrong'. It was my attempt at humour while also quickly summarising his position.

[karushna5]

Woah this is not the thread I expected a war in. Guys relax, this was supposed to be a fun thread and you guys seem to be tearing each other up over small stuff.

 

Companions:

A married couple, Salarian and Asari. One is an soldier, the other a Sentinel. At one point you have to save one or the other.

 

A really old Krogan who is ready for life to end.

 

A Turian Pirate

 

A human male whose abilities are intrinsic to beating the bad guys a la Liara

 

A Human Female  who is the young recruit that is a bit wet behind the ears but ready to prove themselves, less Sam Traynor and more Garrus.

[Hellion Rex]

Lets just say I was right and call it quits?

Except you're flat out wrong about all of it.

[AresKeith]

Another thing that would be interesting is more mixed classes from companions 

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Another thing that would be interesting is more mixed classes from companions 

 

Definitely hoping I love whoever the team Sentinel is. Sentinel companions are the ****** best.

[Lady Artifice]

I love hybrid classes. Sentinel is my favorite, followed pretty closely by Vanguard.

 

It took playing the female human vanguard in the MP to really make me see how amazing it is. I was just loving my engineer and her combat drone, and then I discovered Nova. Nova is epic. 

 

When it comes to combat powers I want to see return the most, I think it goes:

 

Reave

Nova

Combat Drone

 

I can just imagine a character with all three together...So much fun. And completely over powered, of course. 

[AresKeith]

I love hybrid classes. Sentinel is my favorite, followed pretty closely by Vanguard.

 

It took playing the female human vanguard in the MP to really make me see how amazing it is. I was just loving my engineer and her combat drone, and then I discovered Nova. Nova is epic. 

 

When it comes to combat powers I want to see return the most, I think it goes:

 

Reave

Nova

Combat Drone

 

I can just imagine a character with all three together...So much fun. And completely over powered, of course. 

 

I was actually referring to mixed classes like Garrus and Thane lol

 

Sentinels and Vanguards are hybrids but they're also main classes too

[The Elder King]

@karushna: I'm actually calm. I was just trying to have a normal discussion.
@Indigenous: I can respond again to your post, but you seem to want to end the discussion, so tell me if You want to me to post it, or send you a PM, or end it here.

[Blackguard]

That matter is as well my big hope... which is, of course, the first step on the road to dissapoint... as it is my big fear.

So much personal opinion in it, too.

 

The Mass-Effect-Universe catched me more than any other virtual reality in the last 20 years. I still don't completly know why, but a big part of it are the characters.

I met more npc-people that are sympathic to me in this games in the last 8 years, than i met in real life in the last 16 years

(ok, so i am an old sociopath, but that isn't important here).

I also met some people i realy disliked (and was even able to get some of them killed).

BUT

I hardly met anyone i simply gave a crap about (what is, in fact, the case for most people i met in real life... uhm... nvm...).

 

I think that makes ME so very special for me, that made me spend more hours in ME than in DAO or even SWTOR (and i played all imperial-side-stories here, too). Yes, it was several hundret hours...

That is why ME means more to me than most other entertainment media, it is not "just another game" or "just another movie".

 

On the other side, the personality of the characters was what killed DA:I for me.

Not the mostly tedious gameplay. Hey, i play mmos form time to time, i can take that.

 

(In a ME-Setting i would enjoy that for hundrets of hours, as long as i get a few small conversations with characters that i feel connected with. I don't even need a main story, just give me an open sci-fi-world to explore and some good companions.)

 

But i was never able to feel connected to the chars in DA:I. I don't even know why.

There was no Morrigan, no Bane (my Mabari), no Tali, Wrex, Liara, Garrus, Grunt, Jack... etc, etc...

 

Damn, when i am done with a playthrough with ME i feel down because i already miss the NPCs.

That is something no game, film or book every was able to do to me.

 

So for the chars of Andromeda?

(other than that i want my Tali back...)

Please Bioware, make us again some Jacks and Talis and Grunts, make us an Aria... that was only a sidekick-npc and still gotten so much personality...

And make enough of them, so that everyone can find some he/she likes.

That is what makes ME special.

 

The races, jobs and genders are not that important, just bring back the soul the ME-Characters got.

Maybe it is just me, but the DA:I ones didn't got that. I found them either dull or over-the-top/unintentionally funny.

[Umiine]

I really, really want a batarian. And a female turian. And a krogan, because they are awesome. And a quarian. I also hope we get to see some new species, really excited about that.

And about the krogan, considering that without Shepard or Mordin, the genophage  most likely wouldn't have been cured, i hope the krogan is either named Shepard or Mordin and is a descendant from Wrex and Bakara. Just me?