Quit living in the past bro, this thread is about how amazing Andromeda would be if it were MP only.
Can't say I agree.
I enjoy the SP experience, especially with the tweaks made in ME3 to weight, inventory, and skill trees after what happened to all that in the previous game.
As an experiment, I did a search for "New Player" in the titles of ME 3 MP Forum, and assuming the link works: Here are my search results.
Now, I can lend some context to a few of those, notably the two at the top, which were not actually started by new players and thus break the chain somewhat. Beyond that, however, you can click through the various threads from people expressing that they are newer and needing help/info/people to play with. They are typical of the results in the forum.
I have to point out that what is happening in this thread is a phenomenon that is the result of very specific forum personality types encountering each other under new circumstances. It is not reflective of how the forums are, at large, and especially not the MP forum. Drama and hostility are pretty rare in the MP forum these days, and even when the activity was at its peak, the bulk of the "big broohahas" are ultimately legendary. People have names for most of them, because they were noteworthy when they happened - i.e. they were not the norm.
There are hostilities and drama everywhere, but the MP forum is actually steeped in its own brand of silliness far more than it erupts in any kind of anger or attacks on people. The truth is, the bulk of the heated arguments and ad hominem attacks that I encounter occur outside the MP forums - which is saying something, considering that it still represents a near-majority of my forum reading.
Edit: the search link did not work the way I had hoped. To replicate my results, put the words "new" and "player" in the search terms, be sure to click on "title only." Then under the forums to search, scroll down through the ME 3 forums to "Multiplayer" and select the sub-heading "Combat Strategy," as it is the forum we are referring to. It comes after all the equivalent SP forums. The first Combat Strategy forum is for SP and should be skipped. The MP Combat Strategy forum is right next to the Multiplayer subheading. I'd skip the first two results, as they aren't actually from new players, but regardless, the response to virtually all of the threads in my results list paints a picture of a forum that is very welcoming to new players.
Can't say I agree.
I enjoy the SP experience, especially with the tweaks made in ME3 to weight, inventory, and skill trees after what happened to all that in the previous game.
Gears is overrated, Vanquish was the best TPS of last gen.
ME3s gameplay is boring and easy. They casual'd it up to appeal to the dude bros and CoD kiddies.
At least ME2s insanity difficulty was a challenge.
I don't get it. What relation does Mass Effect's gameplay have to CoD that would attract its players? Considering that much of the game can be spent outside of combat, I don't really see where people get this stuff.
As an experiment, I did a search for "New Player" in the titles of ME 3 MP Forum, and assuming the link works: Here are my search results.
Now, I can lend some context to a few of those, notably the two at the top, which were not actually started by new players and thus break the chain somewhat. Beyond that, however, you can click through the various threads from people expressing that they are newer and needing help/info/people to play with. They are typical of the results in the forum.
I have to point out that what is happening in this thread is a specific phenomenon that is the result of very specific forum personality types encountering each other in new circumstances. It is not reflective of how the forums are, at large, and especially not the MP forum. Drama and hostility are pretty rare in the MP forum these days, and even when the activity was at its peak, the bulk of the "big broohahas" are ultimately legendary. People have names for most of them, because they were noteworthy when they happened - i.e. they were not the norm.
There are hostilities and drama everywhere, but the MP forum is actually steeped in its own brand of silliness far more than it erupts in any kind of anger or attacks on people. The truth is, the bulk of the heated arguments and ad hominem attacks that I encounter occur outside the MP forums - which is saying something, considering that it still represents a near-majority of my forum reading.
Edit: the search link did not work the way I had hoped. To replicate my results, but the words "new" and "player" in the search terms, be sure to click on "title only." Then under the forums to search, scroll down through the ME 3 forums to "Multiplayer" and select the sub-heading "Combat Strategy," as it is the forum we are referring to. It comes after all the equivalent SP forums. The first Combat Strategy forum is for SP and should be skipped. The MP Combat Strategy forum is right next to the Multiplayer subheading. I'd skip the first two results, as they aren't actually from new players, but regardless, the response to virtually all of the threads in my results list paints a picture of a forum that is very welcoming to new players.
So, why can't some of MP crowd show that same behavior in the current mess that's the ME:A forums? Are we truly so borked as a fanbase that we have to tear and rip into each other while we're all stuck on this one crowded subforum? I would have never gone into the MP forums, because most of the time I've been reading, "SP crybaby scrub" in these forums, which I frequent. If it wasn't for Exile, you, Dream and a few others, I wouldn't even entertain the notion.
Oh and some of the SP crowd needs to shut up too. I play Wolfenstein, played some CoD, excited about the new Doom and I also love RPG/JRPGs. Crazy thought that folks can enjoy more than one type of game and/or gameplay. Seriously, this attitude isn't helping anyone here.
None of us are zombies, or idiots, or clones, or scrubs. What is this, the 8th grade?
See, that's what bothers me the most. Why should any of us act any differently towards each other just because we prefer different gameplay modes of the same freaking game?
It's pixels, guys. Shiny, beautiful pixels. Millions of them. But it's all just pixels and yet, we're ripping into each other over this. We're insulting and belittling each other over this. I know in my heart that we're better than calling each other zombies, idiots and scrubs over a sodding preference in gameplay. Good gods...
So, why can't some of MP crowd show that same behavior in the current mess that's the ME:A forums? Are we truly so borked as a fanbase that we have to tear and rip into each other? I would have never gone into the MP forums, because most of the time I've been reading, "SP crybaby scrub" in these forums, which I frequent. If it wasn't for Exile, you, Dream and a few others, I wouldn't even entertain the notion.
See, that's what bothers me the most. Why should any of us act any differently towards each other just because we prefer different gameplay modes of the same freaking game?
It's pixels, guys. Shiny, beautiful pixels. Millions of them. But it's all just pixels and yet, we're ripping into each other over this. We're insulting and belittling each other over this. I know in my heart that we're better than calling each other zombies, idiots and scrubs over a sodding preference in gameplay. Good gods...
So, why can't some of MP crowd show that same behavior in the current mess that's the ME:A forums?
It's important to remember that it is a different environment. Further, it's important to remember that the majority of the people posting in this thread collectively represent about 20 people from the various forums, at least half of whom post across all the games' different sub-forums. This thread does not represent any forum community, MP or otherwise.
It's important to remember that it is a different environment. Further, it's important to remember that the majority of the people posting in this thread collectively represent about 20 people from the various forums, at least half of whom post across all the games' different sub-forums. This thread does not represent any forum community, MP or otherwise.
I wasn't reading just this thread. I've read in other threads too, over the last three months. More often than I would care to.
I know that the MP crowd is largely full of good people. I wasn't denying that the MP community has a solid track record of being civil and polite towards newcomers at least on the forums. I am saying that some of the attitude I've been reading all over the ME:A forums has been terrible no matter what mode of gameplay folks prefer. I am saying that I'm wondering how some of those bad apples would react to a new player that didn't read the forums and decided to jump into MP.
I'm not going to chuck the entire MP community under the bus for some bad apples, but it does automatically make me more leery of even trying MP. Then again, the SP crowd for ME was part of why I was leery of trying the series at all. You would have had to been under a rock not to have heard about the pre-EC uproar. It doesn't mean that I think even most folks that like MP are bad apples. It does mean that I wish some folks would ease up around here, since we're stuck with each other for the time being.
@Neon: Okay, tell me. Please tell me why we should insult, bash, belittle or dismiss each other because we prefer different kinds of gameplay. I've been playing video games for over 30 years, but maybe you can justify treating each other like crap in a way that doesn't sound like playground childish nonsense. It doesn't matter if you're SP, MP or both. It sounds like some are insulting each other to create a fake sense of superiority over a video game.
You prefer MP. Cool. If you're having a good time, making friends and enjoying the game you bought, then I'm honestly happy. That's all I want for any player. I prefer SP and enjoy flying solo. I enjoy chatting about the story and plot to my friends. That should be just fine too.
See, easy enough. No muss, no fuss and no need to insult each other. 
Yep, two kinds of people: Those that enjoy their game without insulting others, and those that don't.
This thread is about MP in Adromeda. So stay on topic or find a thread about the single player.
The reason why people are bashing other people is because-
1) Mass Effects forums have be filled with conflict since ME3s ending fiasco. It truly divided the boards.
2) Keyboard warriors are never wrong. Never.
Trust me, there was plenty of conflict back in the ME2 days too. I would know, as I was one of the lead renegade posters in the infamous PvsR battles back then.
1) Okay, so a game mechanic from over 2 years ago is still a reason to insult others...why? Why keep it up?
2) Um, okay. So folks are insulting each other because they want to be proven right?
Again, aren't we supposed to be legal adults, or at least acting like it?
The topic is "SP is full of drama just focus on the MP." I am asking why there needs to be this level of stupid drama between the fanbases. I'm also saying that we can all like the same game without acting like children. I've been also saying, "Why can't we have both?" I've read the arguments, and I don't see any merit to getting rid of SP or MP. I want us all to have fun with however we play our games. Cutting out one gameplay mode or another seems like a waste.
SP and MP crowds only have the drama that the players insist bringing to it. We can be better than that. Let's remember that this is fun, not a contest or a competition. That seems to be well on topic.
So, why can't some of MP crowd show that same behavior in the current mess that's the ME:A forums? Are we truly so borked as a fanbase that we have to tear and rip into each other while we're all stuck on this one crowded subforum? I would have never gone into the MP forums, because most of the time I've been reading, "SP crybaby scrub" in these forums, which I frequent. If it wasn't for Exile, you, Dream and a few others, I wouldn't even entertain the notion.
Oh and some of the SP crowd needs to shut up too. I play Wolfenstein, played some CoD, excited about the new Doom and I also love RPG/JRPGs. Crazy thought that folks can enjoy more than one type of game and/or gameplay. Seriously, this attitude isn't helping anyone here.
None of us are zombies, or idiots, or clones, or scrubs. What is this, the 8th grade?
See, that's what bothers me the most. Why should any of us act any differently towards each other just because we prefer different gameplay modes of the same freaking game?
It's pixels, guys. Shiny, beautiful pixels. Millions of them. But it's all just pixels and yet, we're ripping into each other over this. We're insulting and belittling each other over this. I know in my heart that we're better than calling each other zombies, idiots and scrubs over a sodding preference in gameplay. Good gods...
As far as BSN is concerned I consider myself the "MP Crowd" since the bulk of my posts are over on the ME3 MP forums. I did a good chunk of the mechanics testing and game file datamining back in the day, and intend on doing it again for ME:A.
I'd say it mostly comes down to trolling, because some of the SP crowd is just really easy to get riled up over the thought of MP. Most of us "MP Players" actually did play the SP as well and enjoyed it(ending aside). If they stopped getting a reaction, I suspect you'd stop seeing the hostility.
Except maybe for calling each other scrubs. That you just need to understand that we don't really use it as an insult in the ME3 MP section most of the time. It's more of a running joke at this point.
I'm in the same boat as you in that I played plenty of FPS like Counter-Strike, Wolfenstein, and am excited for the new Doom on top of playing a lot of RPGs and even RTS or turn based strategy games. There is no general genre of game I can think of that I wouldn't play. The least likely is probably JRPG, but I don't mind a few things out of that category.
So I don't really get the whole "my genre is better than your genre" thing either, other than trolls trolling.
1) Okay, so a game mechanic from over 2 years ago is still a reason to insult others...why?
2) Um, okay. So folks insulting each other because they want to be proven right?
The topic is "SP is full of drama just focus on the MP." I am asking why there needs to be this level of stupid drama between the fanbases. I'm also saying that we can all like the same game without acting like children. I've been also saying, "Why can't we have both?"
Because it's fun. Otherwise this forum would be as boring as the witcher one.
.Trust me, there was plenty of conflict back in the ME2 days too. I would know, as I was one of the lead renegade posters in the infamous PvsR battles back then.
I'm not going to chuck the entire MP community under the bus for some bad apples, but it does automatically make me more leery of even trying MP. Then again, the SP crowd for ME was part of why I was leery of trying the series at all. You would have had to been under a rock not to have heard about the pre-EC uproar. It doesn't mean that I think even most folks that like MP are bad apples. It does mean that I wish some folks would ease up around here, since we're stuck with each other for the time being.
It goes both ways. There are actually a lot more people frequenting the SP forums who are hostile about their opinions, if for no other reason than the relative size of the communities (The MP community is much smaller at this stage.) When you frequent a forum, you tend to learn to either tune certain people whose behaviour bothers you out, or you come to accept them as part of the background noise. Ultimately, you get kind of used to them, whether you ever like they way they behave, or not.
In this case, you're being exposed to people that you aren't familiar with who are in a bizarre BSN dance with other people (whom you are somewhat more familiar with.) I'm sure you read the earlier pages of this thread - there were far more ad hominem attacks with no trace of irony or satire at that stage, but those people are more familiar. Now we're reaching a point where most of the early angry reciprocators have moved on from this thread (I think one or two may have been banned) and what is left is basically a couple of people trying to keep the troll train going when most of the remaining takers just aren't going to reciprocate.
It's a fairly isolated phenomenon, which is why I said that it doesn't represent any particular forum. This is a handful of personalities clashing.
Because it's fun. Otherwise this forum would be as boring as the witcher one.
I wasn't reading just this thread. I've read in other threads too, over the last three months. More often than I would care to.
I know that the MP crowd is largely full of good people. I wasn't denying that the MP community has a solid track record of being civil and polite towards newcomers at least on the forums. I am saying that some of the attitude I've been reading all over the ME:A forums has been terrible no matter what mode of gameplay folks prefer. I am saying that I'm wondering how some of those bad apples would react to a new player that didn't read the forums and decided to jump into MP.
I'm not going to chuck the entire MP community under the bus for some bad apples, but it does automatically make me more leery of even trying MP. Then again, the SP crowd for ME was part of why I was leery of trying the series at all. You would have had to been under a rock not to have heard about the pre-EC uproar. It doesn't mean that I think even most folks that like MP are bad apples. It does mean that I wish some folks would ease up around here, since we're stuck with each other for the time being.
@Neon: Okay, tell me. Please tell me why we should insult, bash, belittle or dismiss each other because we prefer different kinds of gameplay. I've been playing video games for over 30 years, but maybe you can justify treating each other like crap in a way that doesn't sound like playground childish nonsense. It doesn't matter if you're SP, MP or both. It sounds like some are insulting each other to create a fake sense of superiority over a video game.
You prefer MP. Cool. If you're having a good time, making friends and enjoying the game you bought, then I'm honestly happy. That's all I want for any player. I prefer SP and enjoy flying solo. I enjoy chatting about the story and plot to my friends. That should be just fine too.
See, easy enough. No muss, no fuss and no need to insult each other.
Yep, two kind of people: Those that enjoy their game without insulting others, and those that don't.
That does it.
I'm totally sacrificing a goat in front of your alter tonight.
Good job maintaining an objective opinion in an attention-wh_re thread.
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Really? I thought ME2s board was way positive. The only heated threads were about bugs, Jacob and sometimes miris butt.....
Son have you never visited a "Paragon versus Renegade" thread?
Or a "Save The Council versus Let The Council Die" thread?
Or a "Keep the Collector Base versus Destroy the Collector Base" thread?
Those threads where usually enveloped in massive nuclear flame wars. They were by far my favorite threads though. I was usually one of the main Renegade posters in those threads fighting the good fight against the Paragon plebs, together with my homeboy Seboist.
Really? I thought ME2s board was way positive. The only heated threads were about bugs, Jacob and sometimes modus butt.....
Gutted RP mechanics, comic-book appearances, forced Cerberus cooperation, OOC Virmire talk, that Reaper larvae, and a nonexistent plot were all significant points of discussion.
Gutted RP mechanics, comic-book appearances, forced Cerberus cooperation, OOC Virmire talk, that Reaper larvae, and a nonexistent plot were all significant points of discussion.
Plus less renegade imported content and pro vs anti Cerb discussions
It goes both ways. There are actually a lot more people frequenting the SP forums who are hostile about their opinions, if for no other reason than the relative size of the communities (The MP community is much smaller at this stage.) When you frequent a forum, you tend to learn to either tune certain people whose behaviour bothers you out, or you come to accept them as part of the background noise. Ultimately, you get kind of used to them, whether you ever like they way they behave, or not.
In this case, you're being exposed to people that you aren't familiar with who are in a bizarre BSN dance with other people (whom you are somewhat more familiar with.) I'm sure you read the earlier pages of this thread - there were far more ad hominem attacks with no trace of irony or satire at that stage, but those people are more familiar. Now we're reaching a point where most of the early angry reciprocators have moved on from this thread (I think one or two may have been banned) and what is left is basically a couple of people trying to keep the troll train going when most of the remaining takers just aren't going to reciprocate.
It's a fairly isolated phenomenon, which is why I said that it doesn't represent any particular forum. This is a handful of personalities clashing.
No denying that. I'm rolling my eyes every time I see someone called a "CoD zombie" because MEMP is their preferred playstyle. No one deserves to be insulted because of a preferred gamestyle. I don't care what "side" a person is on either.
I just hate seeing people I otherwise like and respect non-joking going at each other because of something like this. I'll have to get used to it, since I'm hanging around here. If I didn't like it, I would leave. However, I feel this way in the DA forums when it comes to folks preferring Skyrim or TW or whatever. For better or for worse, I have to stop sometimes and ask why all the fighting.
If nothing else, I know one thing me and at least some folks in the MP crowd have in common: Few things in the series are as satisfying as that lovely glass-breaking sound of a frozen enemy shattered by a Concussion Shot.
Handing out likes for those that have some excellent points about this. My own perspective could be very biased right now, and that isn't fair to an entire portion of the fanbase.
Son have you never visited a "Paragon versus Renegade" thread?
Or a "Save The Council versus Let The Council Die" thread?
Or a "Keep the Collector Base versus Destroy the Collector Base" thread?
Those threads where usually enveloped in massive nuclear flame wars. They were by far my favorite threads though. I was usually one of the main Renegade posters in those threads fighting the good fight against the Paragon plebs, together with my homeboy Seboist.
Sometimes I regret not being a part of this forum sooner. Sometimes.
ME2 was not nearly as controversial as ME3. Not even close.
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