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[Domiel Angelus]

Did you know that they originally used the Aurora engine to design and run the first Witcher title? Yes, the Aurora engine that Bioware designed for Neverwinter Nights. They did redesign parts of it to suit their needs but if you look through the RedEngine you can still find Aurora footprints through it, which means your 'awesome' game is founded on Bioware tech. So even when you're saying "The Witcher" is so much better you're still loving on something that has bits made by Bioware.............

[KBomb]

Did you know that they originally used the Aurora engine to design and run the first Witcher title? Yes, the Aurora engine that Bioware designed for Neverwinter Nights. They did redesign parts of it to suit their needs but if you look through the RedEngine you can still find Aurora footprints through it, which means your 'awesome' game is founded on Bioware tech. So even when you're saying "The Witcher" is so much better you're still loving on something that has bits made by Bioware.............

This news is old hat. Also, why should it matter? No one is comparing engines, they're comparing games. Besides, a lot of people like both, but just feel one is better. It's nothing wrong with that.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Did this really need its own thread?

[Dreadstruck]

First off, I find it kinda funny how this was posted on Bioware forums (because the chastizing tone seems to be more fit for CD Projekt forums), as if it was aimed at people who dare to like TW3 over DA:I.
 
Second, this has absolutely nothing to do with the qualities of the game itself (which are the main subject of comparison with DA:I).
If I say I find the writing and atmosphere of TW3 much better than DA:I (a subjective opinion), how is the engine related to it?

 

Should I stop liking Half-Life 1 over Quake because it was originally built on an modified Quake Engine?
 
Really. If I didn't know better, I'd say you're just reaching and stretching to downplay the success of TW3 by whatever means.

[Eternal Dust]

Not sure what the point of this thread is when BioWare doesn't even use its own engine anymore.

[Domiel Angelus]

@Deathstruck, not at all. I actually like TW3 for what its worth. It however has just as many lame collectibles and 'go kill this' missions as DAI, they're just better sorted out.

 

The main quest is far better sorted out and a lot more enjoyable sans the political bull at the beginning, but it feels like almost every side quest boils down to "Flip on magic Mary Sue vision" to fix any problem. "I need to find this magical artifact, well I can smell it out because of the wine that someone by coincidence spilled on it" Instead of getting a piece of paper at the end, you tend to get the piece of paper at the beginning and a short "thank you" at the end. At this point I'm about 40 hours into playing through it and so far the only quest that was more than that has been "Family Matters" which actually had consequences for your actions. 

 

It has just as much "you're screwed into doing A because we have to set it up for B" as DA:I and DA 2 so far, a bar fight breaks out that you can't avoid just so a woman can whine at you almost 25 hours down the road and I have a feeling its not the last I've seen of her. 

 

I would post it on the TW3 forums as well but they're worse with the "We hate TW" people as it is. We have enough people here saying "How dare you like a Bioware game" on the Bioware forums. 

[KBomb]

First off, I find it kinda funny how this was posted on Bioware forums, as if it was aimed at people who dare to like TW3 over DA:I.

Second, this has absolutely nothing to do with the qualities of the game itself (which are the main subject of comparison with DA:I).
If I say I find the writing and atmosphere of TW3 much better than DA:I (a subjective opinion), how is the engine related to it?

Should I stop liking Half-Life 1 over Quake because it was originally built on an modified Quake Engine?

Really. If I didn't know better, I'd say you're just reaching and stretching to downplay the success of TW3 by whatever means.

Not to mention that TW2 and 3 are vastly different than the first Witcher. Some say even better. (I am inclined to agree).

I really don't understand the offense people feel toward those who believe TW3 is the better game.

[Domiel Angelus]

Not sure what the point of this thread is when BioWare doesn't even use its own engine anymore.

 

 

It would be far better off if they had, the DA engine was something they had worked on for years and that should never have been shelved. The Frostbite 3 engine is nice, but it doesn't feel like it does what they want it to nearly as well as their own engine would have. It's going to take years to get it to tweak just the right way and it wasn't the best way to go with a game that already had a suitable engine. 

[correctamundo]

I really don't understand the offense people feel toward those who believe TW3 is the better game.

 

Well, it goes both ways.

[The Hierophant]

Well, it goes both ways.

Yeah it goes both ways, but a thread who's premise is to hype Bioware up, and dismiss TW3 because TW used the Aurora engine is kind of a new low.

[KBomb]

Well, it goes both ways.

Of course it goes both ways. That being said, this is a thread for the sole purpose of calling out those who like the Witcher 3, so that is what I responded to.

[Saphiron123]

Did you know that they originally used the Aurora engine to design and run the first Witcher title? Yes, the Aurora engine that Bioware designed for Neverwinter Nights. They did redesign parts of it to suit their needs but if you look through the RedEngine you can still find Aurora footprints through it, which means your 'awesome' game is founded on Bioware tech. So even when you're saying "The Witcher" is so much better you're still loving on something that has bits made by Bioware.............

It may be founded on bioware tech, but a side quest in the witcher has real meaty story and dialogue, real decisions to be made. Bioware tells me to collect bear claws in the woods. Now, both have the same types of quests, but the witcher is 90% quality side quests, and inquisition is 90% fluff.

Anyway, if bioware had stayed true to it's roots with concepts like tactics and an emphasis on story, inquisition could have been great, but they threw much of what made past games great away... so it doesn't actually matter if they designed the engine that ran the first witcher game, because the witcher 2 and 3 were far superior. For a game about story with great characters, the very experience I always considered bioware the top company for, the witcher has done a better job this time... and not by a small margin either.

TW3 is the better game. Inquisition didn't respect my time, and it moved away from the best parts of past games to give us a totally forgettable MMo experience where the main story was an afterthought.

[Saphiron123]

Not to mention that TW2 and 3 are vastly different than the first Witcher. Some say even better. (I am inclined to agree).

I really don't understand the offense people feel toward those who believe TW3 is the better game.

Me neither. I didn't buy it until I played them, and I played them in part because inquisition left me disappointed. They're great, and they gave me the experience I was hoping to get from dragon age.

[Aren]

if only this thread could possess a meaning,it would be appreciated

[Seraphim24]

Did you know that they originally used the Aurora engine to design and run the first Witcher title? Yes, the Aurora engine that Bioware designed for Neverwinter Nights. They did redesign parts of it to suit their needs but if you look through the RedEngine you can still find Aurora footprints through it, which means your 'awesome' game is founded on Bioware tech. So even when you're saying "The Witcher" is so much better you're still loving on something that has bits made by Bioware.............

 

Yep.

 

TW3 is still better than DA:I.

[lynroy]

if only this thread could possess a meaning,it would be appreciated

QFT

[Domiel Angelus]

Yep.

 

TW3 is still better than DA:I.

 

Are we actually playing the same game? So far only one 'side quest' has had real meat to it. Even then it was a side-quest that is tied into the main story and has the option to be left unfinished if you choose to do so. Its also so far the only quest I've noticed that your actions change the outcome but its only slightly. In 'Family Matters' if you decide to allow the children to be sacrificed the mother is saved but her mind is broken, if you save the children she dies with one moment of clarity before death and the Baron kills himself. In both regards the Sargent still takes over as active leader and allows his troops to run rampant to rape and pillage as they please. Its really just a choice of which collateral damage are you willing to live with in the end. 

 

Its prettier and combat is substantially better, but you're also only dealing with one character against a mob instead of "squad" combat.

 

I'm having fun with TW3 but that's mainly because the world is far more immersive. The quests feel just as straight lined as the DA:I, in some regards moreso because they built Geralt with senses to the point where you don't really track anything. You click a single button, flip on his super senses and follow the glowing red trail of blank or look for the red lined object. 

 

I had just as much fun with DA:I because I enjoyed dealing with the people that I was allowed to interact with. I also enjoyed tooling out my gear with all sorts of add-ons and figuring out which ones worked for my current objective. I had a golf bag filled with two-handed weapons of various makes and models by the end of it. The world beyond the Inquisition was rather bland but I was okay with that because if all else failed I could go home and prod the people I hadn't spoken to in a while and see what new things they'd say. 

 

The environments of both games are aesthetically pleasing and the unique characters are just as equally interesting in my eyes. There are far more interesting things to kill in the Witcher but that's because its a game that's meant to have interesting nasty things to stick that Silver Sword into. 

 

I also do really like Gwent, I'd have like to have seen Wicked Grace in DA:I because there are no mini-games in DA:I at all. 

 

I give both games a thumbs up, but I'm not going to flat out say one is better than the other. 

[Gorwath-F]

Shocking relevation OP. You figured that out all by yourself?

[The Big Red One]

lol, so now that OP has been backed into a corner, he finally drops that engine **** and starts posting legitimate normal feedback to save face.

 

There are already 2 threads dealing with this, for god's sake. if your intention was to actually post comparisons or feedback, you should have used those instead of agitating people with 1000000th witcher topic on a BioWare forum. Thread reported.

 

Well, it goes both ways.

 

Sure it does. but right now that's not what I am seeing here, so you don't need to make excuses for the OP.

[Dread-Reaper]

They were also in contact with Bioware to hire the studios that made the Neverwinter Night's expansions to produce two expansions for The Witcher: Enhanced Edition.

 

Back to the topic, yeah they used their engine and they used it better. The Witcher had day and night cycles, rain, NPC's with schedules, who also reacted to the rain and better combat animations. Then they did what Bioware should have done, developed a new engine to support the types of games they make and want to make and allowing said engine to be extremely modular, even though they nearly went bankrupt.

[Seraphim24]

Are we actually playing the same game? So far only one 'side quest' has had real meat to it. Even then it was a side-quest that is tied into the main story and has the option to be left unfinished if you choose to do so. Its also so far the only quest I've noticed that your actions change the outcome but its only slightly. In 'Family Matters' if you decide to allow the children to be sacrificed the mother is saved but her mind is broken, if you save the children she dies with one moment of clarity before death and the Baron kills himself. In both regards the Sargent still takes over as active leader and allows his troops to run rampant to rape and pillage as they please. Its really just a choice of which collateral damage are you willing to live with in the end. 

 

Its prettier and combat is substantially better, but you're also only dealing with one character against a mob instead of "squad" combat.

 

I'm having fun with TW3 but that's mainly because the world is far more immersive. The quests feel just as straight lined as the DA:I, in some regards moreso because they built Geralt with senses to the point where you don't really track anything. You click a single button, flip on his super senses and follow the glowing red trail of blank or look for the red lined object. 

 

I had just as much fun with DA:I because I enjoyed dealing with the people that I was allowed to interact with. I also enjoyed tooling out my gear with all sorts of add-ons and figuring out which ones worked for my current objective. I had a golf bag filled with two-handed weapons of various makes and models by the end of it. The world beyond the Inquisition was rather bland but I was okay with that because if all else failed I could go home and prod the people I hadn't spoken to in a while and see what new things they'd say. 

 

The environments of both games are aesthetically pleasing and the unique characters are just as equally interesting in my eyes. There are far more interesting things to kill in the Witcher but that's because its a game that's meant to have interesting nasty things to stick that Silver Sword into. 

 

I also do really like Gwent, I'd have like to have seen Wicked Grace in DA:I because there are no mini-games in DA:I at all. 

 

I give both games a thumbs up, but I'm not going to flat out say one is better than the other. 

 

Kay

[SardaukarElite]

Drink.

 

Engine discussion threads should probably be another drink.

[KilrB]

Did you know that they originally used the Aurora engine to design and run the first Witcher title? Yes, the Aurora engine that Bioware designed for Neverwinter Nights. They did redesign parts of it to suit their needs but if you look through the RedEngine you can still find Aurora footprints through it, which means your 'awesome' game is founded on Bioware tech. So even when you're saying "The Witcher" is so much better you're still loving on something that has bits made by Bioware.............

 

Yes, I do know this ... and I too appreciate the irony.

 

FB3 is supposedly so much better, yet they managed so little with it.

 

Then along comes CDPR with an engine based in part on Aurora and schools them in every way.

[herkles]

I should totally make a thread going "hey fans of dragon age and the witcher did you know that you can be fans of both! yes, it is actually possible to like both games and want both games to be great and enjoy playing both games.