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[Dabrikishaw]

1. The Warden

2. The Inquisitor

3. The Inquisitor 

[M-Taylor]

For me, it goes Warden -> Inquisitor -> Hawke.

 

My main disdain of Hawke lies in the very concrete foundations of character development. I don't like playing as a human, I don't like playing as a family unit and I don't like the forced statements (like Diplomatic Hawke saying Andrastian phrases). I could get over playing as a human or having limited roleplaying ability with the siblings/Leandra if I could still play a character that I felt was mine. My first play through was a throw caution to the wind mage who would have happily killed her own brother to get the mages free. To my surprise, at the end, there was zero option to high five Anders; all dialog options lead to Hawke condemning his actions. Same with the Qunari interaction; respected rivalry is the most it would go etc etc. Hawke didn't feel like my character, no matter how entertaining his/her responses were at times, so, you know, no.

 

Warden and Inquisitor are my favourites for that reason. I can play how ever I want (DALISH JAJA), but I'm not a fan of the Inquisitor's god-hand-slap skill, so Warden remains my favourite. Average Joe who I can customize to my hearts content and save the world through sheer grit and determination? yes pls, more of that.

[Sexxibrunette]

Warden/ Hero of Ferelden ++++

 Herald of Andraste

Champion of Kirkwall

 

I really think it's a shame they allowed the HOF to be killed off in DAO

as it has screwed chances of her making a comeback or making an appearance on future games.

Of course if they really wanted her/him back they could always say she/he never truly died ... Bioware?

[Heimdall]

I like all three, for different reasons. As for who is stronger, well, I like to think in terms of how many High Dragons they've defeated).

HoF: 5 (Including Flemeth, the Archdemon, and the Queen of the Blackmarsh)

CoK: 2 (Including Malvernis)

HoA: 13 (Including the Guardian of Mythal, the Red Lyrium Dragon, and Hakkon)

So clearly the Inquisitor wins

[Nixou]

which one do you believe is more powerful?

 

 

The Warden.

It's a narrative thing, really: DA2's theme is about being powerless before History's inertia, no matter how individually strong, wealthy and charismatic one is; Inquisition is at least as much about the organization itself than its leader, and the game keep reminding the player that it's Cullen, Leliana and Josephine's work behind the scenes that make the Inquisition successful; while Origins is a straight-up power fantasy, where the protagonists and her tiny band of companions win because she's just that powerful.

 

Which one out of these 3 heroes do you enjoy more?

 

 

Gameplay-wise, the Inquisitor, since I'm a big sucker for the offline-MMO genre Inquisition belongs to.

Story-wise, Hawke, because of the most intimate scale and pessimistic tone of the story (it's about a guy trying, and utterly failing to protect his family from a world going mad), because Hawke is a fully-fleshed out character and not a blank-slate where we're supposed to project ourselves, and finally because nothing beat the Sarcastic-Hawke script.

 

If these three beasts fought against one another who do you believe will come out on top?

 

 

Sandal.

[Char]

I have a soft spot for Snarky Hawke. Not only was DA2 the first of the trilogy that I played, but I don't think I'd ever laughed quite so much during a game before. Warden is a close second for allowing me to create someone so truly manipulative. I like my Inquisitors, but I'm just not as invested in them. They're all a bit too nice.

[AlexiaRevan]

The warden....you can use the Taint against them or wait and they will eventually die . 

 

The Inquisitor...chop that hand..and Bye bye !

 

Hawke...her humour is Priceless and hence why she would win  plus Blood Magic ! 

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

For me it depends on my specific character but I would have to say Hawke as I have more Hawke's that I enjoy more over other Wardens and Inquisitors. :3

[thats1evildude]

The Inquisitor is by far the best dancer of the lot.

[Czech Republic player]

Dragon Age 4: I think that everybody is alive: Hero of Ferelden, Alistair, Hawke, Loghain, they are too much popular to kill them. Last three characters weren´t killed on the Fade, there wasn´t any corpse to see, so I think they are going to return in Dragon Age 4 from the Fade or be saved in there by some new character.

 

In case you didn´t notice in Dragon Age 1 and 3 Sten and Iron Bull are spies for the Qun. In Dragon Age 2 is some kind of Qunari invasion. I think that in Dragon Age 4 will be a war with the Qun.

 

And also behaviour of humans to elfs is some kind of rasism, city elfs living in elven alienage: something like Jewish ghetto, dalish elfs and humans don´t like each other, city elfs are inferior to humans and in Dragon Age 1 and 2 it is possible to wipe out the whole clan! I believe that in Dragon Age 4 is going to be either human-elven war or elven genocide.

 

Solas: I think he is now possessed by Mythal who have left Flemeth, he can be a leader of elfs, on the other side we all know that Qun is led by Sten from Dragon Age 1.

 

What about the Architect who can create darkspawn who can talk in Dragon Age 1,5? What about the archdemon Urthemiel? If they died, who will lead the darkspawn? Sixth Blight?

 

What about Tevinter Imperium? Will they try to restore their empire?

 

Wonderful, I think that the Inquisitor can be very busy: War with mages, templars, darspawn, Qunari, elfs, Tevinter... First World war :-)

 

And something funny to the end. Hero of Ferelden could have died during the Fifth Blight and in Dragon Age 4 he/she could be returned as corrupted and resurrected megaboss who will conquer the world :-P Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan and Hawke (if Warden was Amell) can try to negotiate 8-)

[The Lone Shadow]

1. Warden. How could I not with quests like this

 

 

2. Inquisitor > Warden > Hawke

 

The Warden has much more experience then Hawke and has killed many more dangerous creatures, such as an old god. Hawke took down the Arishok, but the Warden can fight Sten who later becomes the Arishok. Quizz has less experience then the Warden, but the quizz has the power to open fade rifts. 

[Cz-99]

First off, it's Inquisitor, not Herald of Andraste. Plz dun label my character, mmkay.

 

And it's basically The Warden > Hawke > my character from Skyrim > Inquisitor in terms of enjoyment, how strong they are, and the third one.

[The Dank Warden]

SarcasticWarriorHawke>RogueWarden>MageInquisitor

[GrinningRogue]

I can't decide between Hawke and HoF.

My canon HoF is a disgraced noble out for vengeance, who grabs at power so she can make sure she gets justice. She became a chess master and the most powerful person in Ferelden within a year. My canon Hawke is a victim of circumstance, with no power and no ambition. She just wants to keep those close to her safe and have a good life. It makes her struggles interesting because she keeps stumbling into a hero's role. I enjoy them both. The Inquisitor though, is just a puppet. I mean really. Leliana, Cassandra, Josephine and Cullen do all the work. The inquisitor is just there being a tiebreaker with a key to close the fade. If the key had actually been stuck onto a 4 sided dice instead, they could've saved the world without The Inquisitor.

 

In combat, The Inquisitor would've won, simply because she has the key (that cheating bummer). Otherwise, I think HoF is winning vs Hawke. She fought more monsters.

[KCMeredith]

1) Hawke, mainly because he was funny and that goes a long way
2) Inquisitor probably, judging by the number of Dragons he killed. Would really love to see a fight of my DAO party (Warden, Loghain, Morrigan and Sten) and my DAI party (Inquisitor, Varric, Iron Bull and Vivienne), guess the Warden would win that one. So its evenly matched I think?
3) Hawke? I think Hawke, he killed the Arishok in single combat and I kinda doubt the HoF or the Inquisitor would've managed that.

[GrinningRogue]

I think Hawke, he killed the Arishok in single combat and I kinda doubt the HoF or the Inquisitor would've managed that.

 

Sten is the new Arishok. Assuming he's as good as the old Arishok and he got beaten by Alistair, if your warden was better than Alistair, HoF could've killed The Arishok.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I can't decide between Hawke and HoF.

My canon HoF is a disgraced noble out for vengeance, who grabs at power so she can make sure she gets justice. She became a chess master and the most powerful person in Ferelden within a year. My canon Hawke is a victim of circumstance, with no power and no ambition. She just wants to keep those close to her safe and have a good life. It makes her struggles interesting because she keeps stumbling into a hero's role. I enjoy them both. The Inquisitor though, is just a puppet. I mean really. Leliana, Cassandra, Josephine and Cullen do all the work. The inquisitor is just there being a tiebreaker with a key to close the fade. If the key had actually been stuck onto a 4 sided dice instead, they could've saved the world without The Inquisitor.

 

In combat, The Inquisitor would've won, simply because she has the key (that cheating bummer). Otherwise, I think HoF is winning vs Hawke. She fought more monsters.

Inquisitor isn't puppet by any mean pretty much they are in highest position in inquisiton and they don't do all the work they just carry inquisitor orders pretty much chain of command.

 

And what has "the key" to combat?

 

As for arishok it is debatable warden could have defeat current arishok in dao and we don't know if inquisitor couldn't do that. 

[GrinningRogue]

Inquisitor isn't puppet by any mean pretty much they are in highest position in inquisiton and they don't do all the work they just carry inquisitor orders pretty much chain of command.

 

And what has "the key" to combat?

 

As for arishok it is debatable warden could have defeat current arishok in dao and we don't know if inquisitor couldn't do that. 

 

I'm assuming things. Who is the Arishok during DA:O? I always assumed it's Hawke's Arishok. He got stranded after the whole blight thing is done after all.

 

The Inquisitor can defeat anyone (including Arishok), cos of the key. The key lets you open fade rifts inside of people, suck things into the fade (mark of the rift) and some other stuff. It's like putting a high lvl mage vs a high lv rogue/warrior. All things being equal, if they have the same level, mage generally have higher chance to win. Now stick a magical hand to a high level rogue/warrior/mage. It's pretty OP I'd say.

 

On The Inquisitor being like a puppet: tt just seems to me like the power isn't really in her hands.

The Inquisition (which is not The Inquisitor's) is formed by Cas and Leliana, and they gathered all the people it needs. The only thing missing is a face that the masses are willing to follow. The mark makes her a convenient choice. She can close the rifts, and so people believe she's sent by the Maker. She's not chosen as The Inquisitor because she shines above others in terms of being able to rule or in terms of being the best at fighting/surviving. If she does, the position could've gone to someone else. She's only The Inquisitor because of the mark.

 

It's kind of like.... HoF putting unhardened Alistair on the throne. But this time you're not playing as HoF (that position goes to cas and leliana, and later the advisors), but as Alistair. In this case, Alistair isn't chosen because he's competent, otherwise the position would've gone to Anora. He's chosen simply because he's of Theirin blood. Being The Inquisitor feels like that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm assuming things. Who is the Arishok during DA:O? I always assumed it's Hawke's Arishok. He got stranded after the whole blight thing is done after all.

 

The Inquisitor can defeat anyone (including Arishok), cos of the key. The key lets you open fade rifts inside of people, suck things into the fade (mark of the rift) and some other stuff. It's like putting a high lvl mage vs a high lv rogue/warrior. All things being equal, if they have the same level, mage generally have higher chance to win. Now stick a magical hand to a high level rogue/warrior/mage. It's pretty OP I'd say.

 

On The Inquisitor being like a puppet: tt just seems to me like the power isn't really in her hands.

The Inquisition (which is not The Inquisitor's) is formed by Cas and Leliana, and they gathered all the people it needs. The only thing missing is a face that the masses are willing to follow. The mark makes her a convenient choice. She can close the rifts, and so people believe she's sent by the Maker. She's not chosen as The Inquisitor because she shines above others in terms of being able to rule or in terms of being the best at fighting/surviving. If she does, the position could've gone to someone else. She's only The Inquisitor because of the mark.

 

It's kind of like.... HoF putting unhardened Alistair on the throne. But this time you're not playing as HoF (that position goes to cas and leliana, and later the advisors), but as Alistair. In this case, Alistair isn't chosen because he's competent, otherwise the position would've gone to Anora. He's chosen simply because he's of Theirin blood. Being The Inquisitor feels like that.

 

By current Arishok i meant person that is Arishok now

Spoiler

Sten

 

The Anchor gives you only ability to open and close fade rifts it was used two times in combat once as finisher on already defeated corypheus what pretty much shows it isn't that s/he could kill him in 1 second and had to put him down in normal combat first ,Second time was to distract floriane soldiers by opening rift what was double-edged sword as inquisitor had fight demons as well.Other things were gameplay abilities. 

 

Leliana and Cassandra gathered scraps before inquisition even officially started and since its start it was build on herald of andraste what pretty much made inquistion about you.The mark doesn't matter on anything outside breach and fade rifts ,what matters that people think you are herald of andraste and that inquisition was built on that.

 

Why HoF chooses alistair is entirely up to player ,HoF as well may belive alistair will be good king.Pretty much you have to be more or less competent and you proved you are capable before you become official leader.  

 

 

[GrinningRogue]

By current Arishok i meant person that is Arishok now

King Alistair defeated the current Arishok in a duel. I'm assuming as king he doesn't get a lot of time to go adventuring and sparring can't really replace real fighting experience. Yet he won. Unless HoF somehow gets weaker than Alistair, I don't see her losing.

 

The Anchor gives you only ability to open and close fade rifts it was used two times in combat once as finisher on already defeated corypheus what pretty much shows it isn't that s/he could kill him in 1 second and had to put him down in normal combat first ,Second time was to distract floriane soldiers by opening rift what was double-edged sword as inquisitor had fight demons as well.Other things were gameplay abilities.  

 

The ability to summon uncontrollable demons is still something that can tip the balance. Double edged sword or no, it's still an additional sword.

 

what matters that people think you are herald of andraste and that inquisition was built on that. 

 

And you're Herald because of the mark. You can walk out of the fade because of it, and you can display what looks like miracles (closing demon spawning portal) because of it.

 

 

Pretty much you have to be more or less competent and you proved you are capable before you become official leader.    

 

In that case, it wouldn't need to be you specifically. It could've been any of the advisor, since they've proven to be competent. Or any of the more intelligent nobility whose intentions align with that of the inquisition. There are many people as capable as you.

 

And yet it's you who are chosen. But you're not chosen because you are more capable. You are chosen because you have the mark.

The title "the inquisitor" doesn't have a "must have rift mark" as its job description. If nobody survived the blast in Haven, there will still be an Inquisitor. He/She will fail of course, because no mark and Coryfish will just destroy everything, but they'd still be Inquisitor.

[TheKomandorShepard]

King Alistair defeated the current Arishok in a duel. I'm assuming as king he doesn't get a lot of time to go adventuring and sparring can't really replace real fighting experience. Yet he won. Unless HoF somehow gets weaker than Alistair, I don't see her losing.

 

 

The ability to summon uncontrollable demons is still something that can tip the balance. Double edged sword or no, it's still an additional sword.

 

 

And you're Herald because of the mark. You can walk out of the fade because of it, and you can display what looks like miracles (closing demon spawning portal) because of it.

 

 

 

In that case, it wouldn't need to be you specifically. It could've been any of the advisor, since they've proven to be competent. Or any of the more intelligent nobility whose intentions align with that of the inquisition. There are many people as capable as you.

 

And yet it's you who are chosen. But you're not chosen because you are more capable. You are chosen because you have the mark.

The title "the inquisitor" doesn't have a "must have rift mark" as its job description. If nobody survived the blast in Haven, there will still be an Inquisitor. He/She will fail of course, because no mark and Coryfish will just destroy everything, but they'd still be Inquisitor.

 

1.Eee you know what i have said right?This is what i have said "warden could have defeat current arishok in dao" .

 

2.Doesn't matter because it is no use for you ,outisde exceptional situation like when it was used during an ambush on inquisitor.Pretty much if Inquisitor used it against hawke or HoF all it would do is make hawke/HoF and as well Inquisitor fight and extra enemy.

 

3.You are herald because of many reasons, you survived explosion ,people thought andraste helped you and because you dealt with breach.

 

4.And? Elf warden could stop blight as could mage warden or noble dwarf warden doesn't change fact they were competent.Advisors are there to advise on and help carry things they are specialized ,hell they couldn't even work it out between each other ,showing none of them could rly lead inquisition.As for there being people that were competent to handle situation pretty much yep as that you can play as different individuals shows us. 

[GrinningRogue]

1.Eee you know what i have said right?This is what i have said "warden could have defeat current arishok in dao" .

 

2.Doesn't matter because it is no use for you ,outisde exceptional situation like when it was used during an ambush on inquisitor.Pretty much if Inquisitor used it against hawke or HoF all it would do is make hawke/HoF and as well Inquisitor fight and extra enemy.

 

3.You are herald because of many reasons, you survived explosion ,people thought andraste helped you and because you dealt with breach.

 

4.And? Elf warden could stop blight as could mage warden or noble dwarf warden doesn't change fact they were competent.Advisors are there to advise on and help carry things they are specialized ,hell they couldn't even work it out between each other ,showing none of them could rly lead inquisition.As for there being people that were competent to handle situation pretty much yep as that you can play as different individuals shows us. 

 

1. I think I misread that. sorry

 

2. It spawns various enemies though, so you can never be sure. Whatever spawned out of it might help, or it might not. Either way it's an additional point in Inquisitor's arsenal

 

3. I see those things originating from 1 thing, the mark.

 

4. Yes. which is why I didn't specify the origins of the warden. If the game didn't make it that only 1 of them survive their origin story, any of them could've ended the blight (at which point the title HoF would probably fall to the one who slays the archdemon). Point is they are capable of doing it. They have to survive the joining, unite Ferelden and kill the archdemon. They earned that title purely from hard work alone.

 

The power of the position "The Inquisitor" needs to be given to you by the right and left hand. How do you suppose you'd earn this power without the attention the mark draws onto you? You can't. You're just a very capable mercenary, but still a mercenary. There will be some other high profile capable person more readily available to the right and left hand than you, more so if you're not playing as Trevelyan.

 

The advisors can't decide stuff between them because they have the same power, and none of them are willing to force their opinion. As I said earlier, they might as well agree on throwing a dice every time a disagreement come up. Would be just the same as having an Inquisitor.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. I think I misread that. sorry

 

2. It spawns various enemies though, so you can never be sure. Whatever spawned out of it might help, or it might not. Either way it's an additional point in Inquisitor's arsenal

 

3. I see those things originating from 1 thing, the mark.

 

4. Yes. which is why I didn't specify the origins of the warden. If the game didn't make it that only 1 of them survive their origin story, any of them could've ended the blight (at which point the title HoF would probably fall to the one who slays the archdemon). Point is they are capable of doing it. They have to survive the joining, unite Ferelden and kill the archdemon. They earned that title purely from hard work alone.

 

The power of the position "The Inquisitor" needs to be given to you by the right and left hand. How do you suppose you'd earn this power without the attention the mark draws onto you? You can't. You're just a very capable mercenary, but still a mercenary. There will be some other high profile capable person more readily available to the right and left hand than you, more so if you're not playing as Trevelyan.

 

The advisors can't decide stuff between them because they have the same power, and none of them are willing to force their opinion. As I said earlier, they might as well agree on throwing a dice every time a disagreement come up. Would be just the same as having an Inquisitor.

 

Ok then i guess number 1 doesn't need further discussion.

 

1.Again it isn't by the simple fact that no matter what "spawns" it is hostile to inquisitor as well so it gives him no edge.

 

2.Outside helping with breach not rly ,if something it originated from conclave disaster what means pretty luck.

 

3.Inquisitor earned his position because of skills as well as the warden , both the warden and inquisitor had special abilities that were required to save the day , the warden as s/he was only one (well one of 2) who could kill archdemon and inquisitor as s/he was the only one who could close breach but both saved the day in most part thanks to their skils and that they were competent.You can bicker as well that Alistair/Anora was who gave the warden HoF title as you can bicker on that it was given to the Inquisitor.  

 

What shows that none of them had backbone to be leader of the inqusition and not rly unless you want to tell me that all leaders can be replaced by dice.

[GrinningRogue]

Ok then i guess number 1 doesn't need further discussion.

 

1.Again it isn't by the simple fact that no matter what "spawns" it is hostile to inquisitor as well so it gives him no edge.

 

2.Outside helping with breach not rly ,if something it originated from conclave disaster what means pretty luck.

 

3.Inquisitor earned his position because of skills as well as the warden , both the warden and inquisitor had special abilities that were required to save the day , the warden as s/he was only one (well one of 2) who could kill archdemon and inquisitor as s/he was the only one who could close breach but both saved the day in most part thanks to their skils and that they were competent.You can bicker as well that Alistair/Anora was who gave the warden HoF title as you can bicker on that it was given it to the Inquisitor.  

 

What shows that none of them had backbone to be leader of the inqusition and not rly unless you want to tell me that all leaders can be replaced by dice.

 

1. Not an obvious one. In case they end up being equal, Inquisitor can open a rift and hope HoF fall in it or something. Or pull a kamikaze with it, so no one wins. Draw is still better than a loss.

 

2. The mark is blind luck.

 

3. No. Not from skills. Had the player only been skilful, there would be far less chance of them getting picked as The Inquisitor. Might not even gain more notice than a good field sergeant. So then them being chosen by the hands of the divine to become Inquisitor depends on the mark. The mark is blind luck. So point stands. The power of the player (the inquisitor) is given by someone else. Something that is given and not earned can be taken away just as easily.

 

Warden needs to have the taint to kill the archdemon. Not having it however, wouldn't stop them from uniting Ferelden and helping Alistair reach the archdemon. They have that power because of their capabilities.