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[JadeDragon]

Which protagonist and antagonist dynamic was the best so far in the series? Only doing main story antagonist for now. So which hero and villain in the series worked best together? using 1.views(how they viewed each other) 2.Rivalry(how the hero clashed with there plans and vice versa) and 3.Battle(There final fight to end off there feud). Putting all these things together the combos are as followed:

 

Updated: Now adds Warden Origins and companions

 

DA:O
HoF and Loghain

Warden Commander and The Architect/Mother

 

Alister and Loghain

 

Morrigan and Flemeth

 

Leliana and Marjolaine

 

Zevran and Taliesen

 

Human Noble and Howe

 

Dwarf Noble and Bhelen

 

Dwarf Common and Jarvia

 

DA2

Champion and Arishok

Champion and Meredith/Orsino

 

Champion and Anders

 

Isabela and Castillon

 

Aveline and Jeven

 

Fenris and Danarius

 

Varric and Bartrand

 

DA:I

Inquisitor and Cory

Inquisitor and Calpernia/Samson

 

Cassandra and Lucius

 

And as a bonus which forbidden one has been the best? and hardest to fight?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Warden-Commander and Architect.  He's an antagonist, but he's not your enemy unless you want him to be, and a fascinating character to boot.  Especially with the additional information from WoT2.  Honorable mention goes to Champion and Arishok.  I rather liked the Arishok as a character, and he's an interesting dark mirror to aggressive/assertive Hawke.

[TheKomandorShepard]

To be honest none of them , you never feel there is any bond between protagonist and antagonist ,as it always pretty much involves at best few meetings with antagonist before you bring them down.

 

As for topic i would change hero and villain on protagonist and antagonist ,because pretty much we can play in first game as villain.

[Lazarillo]

What about Hawke/"Anders"?

Not that Dragon Age has been a big series as far as big bad villains go in the first place, but I think if Meredith or Orsino can get villain credit, then Justice deserves some too.

[duckley]

Loghain and Alistair. That represented great tension.

[Mikka-chan]

Yeah, I'd more say Alistair was more Loghain's direct enemy then yours (save for the City Elf and perhaps the Human Noble).  For the human noble, Howe is more of their 'enemy', while the Archdemon was the final act.  I find Loghain quite an interesting character, but unless I was playing a gung-ho Grey Warden, he really wasn't my 'personal' enemy so much as yet another jerk getting in the way of ending the blight so my character could move on with their life.

 

(To be honest, I found for Origins, Dwarf Noble versus Bhelen had the greatest amount of tension: he screwed you over completely, had your other brother killed and framed you, your dad seems to have died of heartbreak (if not poison) due to it all, and yet... he's managed to completely outplay you, and will probably do damn well ruling the dwarves.)

 

(And then, you know, he does.  And unlike Harrowmont, who purposely makes your statue smaller then the other paragons (jerk!) and declares you dead, your bro (or even brother-in-law!) is still firm in the belief that you're still out there and is apparently still holds some fondness for you.)

 

Anders and Hawke is probably also an owch, because if you're unspoiled, it's pretty much unexpected- and if you were romancing him, well, owch.  That I would say is possibly the most interesting, as it's pretty hard to play through the game without getting Anders mostly to either rivalry or friendship unless you're trying to keep him neutral and ignoring him... so he was something to Hawke, be it friend or rival.  That's personal.

 

Other then that, yeah, I'd go for the Architect.  Not only is he interesting (like Loghain), but unlike Loghain, I felt like he was more distinct in giving me a way to be interested (Loghain only offers me 'another warden to throw at the archdemon'- which, I mean, I already have Alistair if I need that- and only builds up my hate if he's trying to enslave my characters family and friends).  The Architect could be the key to stopping blights... yet he also kidnapped my character, stripped her, and stole her blood for nefarious purposes.  The more we learn about him being one of the Magisters, the more interesting it gets.

[Ashagar]

Single best hero and most personal villain relationship in the series was between the Human Noble and Howe given he pretty much murders your family, friends,  everyone else you grew up with, stole your family lands, defamed your family name and worse.

[Sable Rhapsody]

What about Hawke/"Anders"?

Not that Dragon Age has been a big series as far as big bad villains go in the first place, but I think if Meredith or Orsino can get villain credit, then Justice deserves some too.

 

Agreed. Though if your Hawke hops on the crazy violent revolution train like mine did, then they're more like co-villains.

[Master Warder Z_]

Agreed. Though if your Hawke hops on the crazy violent revolution train like mine did, then they're more like co-villains.

Sometimes horrible things like terrorism appeal to some people.

[BansheeOwnage]

The Warden and Urthemiel have the deepest relationship, because they're mentally connected.

 

Yeah, that's a joke.

[Sah291]

Well if we're gonna include Hawke/Anders on the list, then surely Inquisitor/Solas also qualifies...though that one is still unfinished I guess...

My favorite is probably Hawke/Arishok though. That relationship felt the most like a true rivalry, where each could end up respecting one another. I also liked Warden/Architect a lot...though, I don't know, my Warden spared him, so I don't know if that should count. So out of the vilians I didn't side with... Yeah, the Arishok since I thought he had the most developed relationship with the PC.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sometimes horrible things like terrorism appeal to some people.

 

IMO Hawke/Anders gets played too often with Hawke as the victim instead of a willing participant.  Playing Villain Protagonist Hawke went to some dark and horrible places, and I don't think I'd do it again any time soon.  But it was a very unique RP experience.

[Ninna]

Uh, in my case, definitely what Justice became. "Anders" is a good way to put it. Definitely devastating. Definitely ouch. I didn't fully understand until I went the rivalry romance path where I got better explanations and saw the true power of Justice over what was being left of Anders, who was my romance. Still recovering from that. 

 

Other than that I liked Loghain as a villain, even though my Warden did not have much to do with him was not even a noble but a mage, I still felt very involved in the story. I grew to love to hate that guy.

The Architect was interesting too.

 

I'm curious about Calpernia because I helped the mages in DAI. I heard she's more interesting than Samson. 

 

 

[Master Warder Z_]

IMO Hawke/Anders gets played too often with Hawke as the victim instead of a willing participant. Playing Villain Protagonist Hawke went to some dark and horrible places, and I don't think I'd do it again any time soon. But it was a very unique RP experience.

Of course.

[Ashagar]

Calpernia motivation is she wants to save Tevinter and make it better than it is now, in fact its apparent that Coryphous repects her and regrets what he would have to do after she drunk from the well. He liments how in ancient Tevinter potenial of people like her wouldn't have been overlooked just because of their orgins. Also... you really don't want Calperina to find out you mistreated slaves... You really don't.

[TheKomandorShepard]

IMO Hawke/Anders gets played too often with Hawke as the victim instead of a willing participant.  Playing Villain Protagonist Hawke went to some dark and horrible places, and I don't think I'd do it again any time soon.  But it was a very unique RP experience.

You can't play hawke as villain protagonist you can be at worst anti-hero.

[Domiel Angelus]

You are the best villain. In DA:O as the Warden you can: Banish Alistair, Send Loghain to die, put Anora on the throne, turn Leliana into a hardened murderer or kill her outright, destroy the elves, keep the Anvil in one piece and put the worse of the two dwarves on the throne,  leave Sten in the cage to die, destroy the circle, let Redcliffe get overrun, leave the Arl in the coma so he dies and kill Connor............

[Mikka-chan]

You can't play hawke as villain protagonist you can be at worst anti-hero.

 

Hakwe can stand back and twittle his or her thumbs while their little sister gets stabbed to death in front of them because of an alliance they made while they had a full chance to stop it and get hugs and love.

 

That's dark.  For all the murder-knifing you can do in Origins, deliberately standing back and letting your sister get killed while you could stop it if you just said the word is pretty darn villianous.

 

You can also sell Fenris back to to the guy who enslaved him and abused him emotionally, physically, sexually, and probably a thousand other ways, which is pretty horrible as well, especially if he's friend (or your lover).  For 5 soverigns.  Which by that point in the game, you could make in one trip around the wounded coast, almost.

DA2 didn't have as many moments for horrible behaviour as DA:O did, but when Hawke was horrible, Hawke was very horrible.  (Don't forget letting the guy who raped and killed elf children go free because his daddy'll pay you, too.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hakwe can stand back and twittle his or her thumbs while their little sister gets stabbed to death in front of them because of an alliance they made while they had a full chance to stop it and get hugs and love.

 

That's dark.  For all the murder-knifing you can do in Origins, deliberately standing back and letting your sister get killed while you could stop it if you just said the word is pretty darn villianous.

 

You can also sell Fenris back to to the guy who enslaved him and abused him emotionally, physically, sexually, and probably a thousand other ways, which is pretty horrible as well, especially if he's friend (or your lover).  For 5 soverigns.  Which by that point in the game, you could make in one trip around the wounded coast, almost.

DA2 didn't have as many moments for horrible behaviour as DA:O did, but when Hawke was horrible, Hawke was very horrible.  (Don't forget letting the guy who raped and killed elf children go free because his daddy'll pay you, too.)

Single bad act doesn't make you a villain otherwise something like anti-hero wouldn't exist only you were hero or villain and people like Jack Sparrow would be villains.

 

No matter what you do your hawke is always well-intentioned and cares for his family ,at worst you can play agressive personality that is jerk/anti-hero but cruelty along with its freedom from dao is pretty much almost gone in da2 .

 

Btw Hawke doesn't rly sell fenris to slavery only says that fenris is on his own and then Danarious gives hawke money.

Also Your sister was a mage and well you supported RoA so well...

[Sir Froggie]

Aeducan Warden and Bhelen.

[Caddius]

The Warden and Loghain had an interesting mixture of dislike and respect, with the player only seeing a few hints toward it in a 'Loghain Executed' ending. The odd relationship is developed very nicely if you recruit him, though, and has a nice finish on Fort Drakon whatever happens.

Arl Howe and a Cousland Warden have probably the most intense hate relationship, since Loghain looks down on Alistair but he doesn't have the pure resentment and hate that is Howe's specialty.

The Arishok and Hawke also have a very entertaining dynamic. I thought that was one of the strongest points of DA2.

Corypheus's lines about the Inquisitor being an unknowing rival could have gone somewhere interesting, but we don't see all that much of Corypheus.

For all that it's brief, the Architect and the Warden-Commander's brief alliance/and or stand-off was fascinating, with the Warden even being a bit taken aback by the Architect's calm, "Yes. Isn't that what you do with my brethren's blood? Sheesh." moment. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

For all that it's brief, the Architect and the Warden-Commander's brief alliance/and or stand-off was fascinating, with the Warden even being a bit taken aback by the Architect's calm, "Yes. Isn't that what you do with my brethren's blood? Sheesh." moment. 

 

That was the armor-piercing comment that got my Warden to side with the Architect.  Because he's absolutely right.  Up until meeting him and talking to him, the sentient darkspawn were just a pain in the ass.  After that, they became a philosophical problem.

[Mac007]

Depends what kind of Hawke we're talking about.

 

Personally, I liked Sarcastic Hawke and The Arishok, and my second choice would be HoF and Loghain.

 

I say Sarcastic Hawke only because it seems like the Arishok only respects his Martial Skill, I can imagine every time he see's Hawke coming he's like "Ughhh, this guy..."

[dsl08002]

I have to say hawke and arishok