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[General TSAR]

Oh dear lord, another SJW.

[AlexiaRevan]

Gay people make up like 3% of the population. Odds alone say there should be more straight options for players. I'm not against gay options, but no they shouldn't be 50/50 for straight a gay.

You already have that , every npc is hetero . so deal with it really . 

[CitizenThom]

ME2 did a good job with romances in my opinion. ME3 wasn't too bad, outside of not having as much development and payoff as the ME2 romances.

[Arcian]

If you're a gay mShep or straight fShep, romance wasn't all too fair.

If you thought you needed more than Garrus as Femshep, you thought wrong.

[LPPrince]

ME2 did a good job with romances in my opinion. ME3 wasn't too bad, outside of not having as much development and payoff as the ME2 romances.

 

I don't know. I can only speak for Tali, but the progression for her relationship with Shepard I thought ended up damned well in ME3. ME2 was more of the discovery type thing with her and the small talk with Liara about it in Lair of The Shadowbroker was a nice touch, but that relationship really shined in the finale.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hope Mass Effect: Andromeda doesn't continue Mass Effect's romance path style of having sex be a required part of the romance. And this time have it be like it was in DAI, where for some LIs it was optional and for others it never came up. 

[SubjectZer0]

I actually had no issues with ME3 or DA: I's approach.  I liked them both.  To be fair, though, ME's was a bit more questionable since, viewed as a series, straight guy Shep had waaaaay more options than anyone else.  Again, I'm fine with it, but it wasn't exactly as even as the ME3 numbers suggest. 
 

 
Agreed 100%.  Bioware games are some of the only games out there in which I can play a gay guy who is acknowledged to be gay in game.  That's why it's important to me.  If there were dozens of games where I could casually play as a gay guy (like a gay Nathan Drake, where it's just part of the game and not a big deal), then I wouldn't care as much about this feature.
 

 
Which is also why the numbers of LGBT individuals are increasing over time.  It's not that there are more of us now.  It's because society has finally started to not **** all over us, so people are more comfortable with being out.  The numbers will eventually plateau out once it's no longer stigmatized (at least at large; obviously there will always be people with issues about it).

Yup! Society has finally started to somewhat recognize LGBT people as human beings and we're no longer being murdered and burned alive by the Catholic church so yes, more and more LGBT people are able to live their lives as who they are and come out.

And yes you're right about how Bioware games are some of the only games where you can play a Gay character and have it actually be like acknowledged. Mass Effect is so important because it lets LGBT people/People of Color/women and many other people be the star of a science fiction game FINALLY! Mass Effect was the first game I've ever played where I could play as a Gay man and as a Gay man wh constantly feels ignored by the video game industry that's so so so important that we have games like this! Idk why it's so hard for a lot of straights/white people/men to understand that!!

[Sartoz]

To be realistic with the canon, they would send a number close to zero homossexuals in a COLONIZATION fleet.

 

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Good point.

 

Three possible scenarios.

 

1. You have large colony ships/Arks with colonists in hybernating pods that will be awakened on arrival. 

2. You have multi-generational ships that will start looking for colony worlds on arrival. Their original targets system may/may not be suitable for their purpose.

3. The game starts after a suitable time elapsed on their largest colony base (ie: their new home world).

 

Scenario 1

Does require breeding material. Colonists that arrived here in the New World centuries ago certainly were. If the game starts at this point, romances would be all straight. Somehow, I don't see Bio going this route.

 

Scenario 2

Similar to 1

 

Scenario 3

This allows for divergent romance options. Plus the established base can support exploration/mining fleets and a small navy.

 

The leaked poll questions already suggest at which point in time the game will start at.

 

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[LPPrince]

I hope Mass Effect: Andromeda doesn't continue Mass Effect's romance path style of having sex be a required part of the romance. And this time have it be like it was in DAI, where for some LIs it was optional and for others it never came up. 

 

Agreed. Something I'd REALLY like to see is a relationship that has an element of, "Not yet" or "I'm not ready for this".

 

For example I'll use Tali since she's a familiar character;imagine if when the act of sex was actually going to be started, she put a stop to it before it began, and basically was like, "I don't think I'm ready for this. The risk is too great and I don't..." and you could effectively get pissed off and break up the relationship over it or be understanding and respond with a, "Only when you're ready".

 

A moment like that would be nice and it doesn't have to be stuck to a character with a physical reason for not wanting sex. It could simply be a choice that any romantic partner could make for whatever reason. I just think it'd be cool. Sure sex is a good time but its not the only thing that signifies a connection;real substance in a relationship can come from holding hands, whispering in ears, spending time together, and a ton of other activities.

 

Lets see those others explored more without sex needing to be an element.

[Hazegurl]

Sorry but changing feminine pronouns to masculine is not recognizing the PC gender, the romance played exactly the same, it didnt matter if Hawke was a man or a woman, it didnt change anyting besides the pronouns and a very few lines.

 

And I call BS too, Bioware wouldnt have the balls to do it with a Bi character. Want to see a example? Just look at Josephine romance, you can be a non-mage human male, the perfect political candidate for Josephine, the union between the Trevelyan and Montilyet would catapult them socially, and yet the game never let you touch the subject, infact iit treats you the same as a mage qunari female. 

 

No I dont think gay relationship are all about talking about how gay they are, never stated it, then please dont put words in my mouth.

Gee, and here I am thinking that referring to someone as "he" or "she" was doing just that.

 

If the romances were 100% the same then fans wouldn't have complained that Anders reveals his past relationship with Karl to a male Hawke and not the female.  I'm not saying DA2 had perfect romances but they were equal without stuffing a million companions down our throats.

 

Why would you use DAI as an example of a badly done romance when I don't even like how they did them in DAI?  DAI doesn't give you a proper backstory, they stuffed so many Romances in the game to the point where none of them had any relevant story nor time and attention to them, backstory, et al.  DAI proves that just giving everybody romance representation isn't enough to tell a compelling story.   However, DAO doesn't prove that giving everyone set sexualities makes a story or companion compelling.  Like I said, everything you mentioned in DAO could still happen even if everyone was romancebale by both genders.

 

The issue here is poor companion writing not sexuality.  The way I see it, the sexuality of a companion doesn't even matter, it's the least important way to define a character. Give us a good story with our companions and not focus on what gender they want to bang. If you view them all as bisexual, then that would be your own problem. But if I romance a man as a man I would see that character as completely gay unless he says otherwise.  Which I think he shouldn't.

[General TSAR]

Agreed. Something I'd REALLY like to see is a relationship that has an element of, "Not yet" or "I'm not ready for this".

 

For example I'll use Tali since she's a familiar character;imagine if when the act of sex was actually going to be started, she put a stop to it before it began, and basically was like, "I don't think I'm ready for this. The risk is too great and I don't..." and you could effectively get pissed off and break up the relationship over it or be understanding and respond with a, "Only when you're ready".

 

A moment like that would be nice and it doesn't have to be stuck to a character with a physical reason for not wanting sex. It could simply be a choice that any romantic partner could make for whatever reason. I just think it'd be cool. Sure sex is a good time but its not the only thing that signifies a connection;real substance in a relationship can come from holding hands, whispering in ears, spending time together, and a ton of other activities.

 

Lets see those others explored more without sex needing to be an element.

Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen given the reception to Sebastian's romance(but then again, Sebastian was an idiot).

 

But here's hoping for something new: Talk, talk, loyalty quest, and maybe not-romance that extends into another more personal quest that might or might not led to banging? 

[daveliam]

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Good point.

 

Not really.  It's not a 'good point' at all, actually.

 

Do you really think that they would only send reproductively sound people out on this mission?  Would there be an expectation that everyone will have to breed away?  Would they actually check the straight people's reproductive systems and only send people with cream of the crop organs?  No women with thin uterine walls on this mission!  No men with low sperm counts!  No women who have aged past menopause, so sorry decorated career military woman in her late 40's!  If there was a brilliant candidate, would they reject him because he had lost one of his testicles in an accident in the past?  Or because she has an irregular ovarian cycle?

 

C'mon now.  It's silly to suggest that three gay people (one PC, one guy LI, one gal LI) would be too much dead weight and would get dropped for another person with a strong sperm count or wide birthing hips, right?  This line of reasoning is hysterically juvenile at best and absurdly foolish at worse. 

[LPPrince]

Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen given the reception to Sebastian's romance(but then again, Sebastian was an idiot).

 

But who knows? 

 

Sebastian was a part of DA2. He doesn't count.

 

I think Andromeda could use it. It doesn't have to be a character like Seb who you know early on is chaste. It can come out of nowhere. I think it SHOULD come out of nowhere for at least one romantic partner. For another, they can explore talking about it. You know, just a simple conversation.

 

It doesn't have to be portrayed like it was in Sebastian's case. And I think the portrayal of it will have an effect in how its received by the player.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen given the reception to Sebastian's romance(but then again, Sebastian was an idiot).

 

But here's hoping for something new: Talk, talk, loyalty quest, and maybe not-romance that extends into another more personal quest that might or might not led to banging? 

It was positively received in DAI with the characters it applied to.

 

Not to mention some of the devs at Bioware see it as a way to let asexual players enjoy the romance subplots. 

[General TSAR]

It was positively received in DAI with the characters it applied to.

 

Not to mention some of the devs at Bioware see it as a way to let asexual players enjoy the romance subplots. 

Oh right, Josephine.

 

Haven't romanced her yet.  

[LPPrince]

I haven't romanced Josephine(and won't given I'll only play Inquisition once due to its length). What about her?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh right, Josephine.

 

Haven't romanced her yet.  

Not just her. Blackwall, Dorian, Sera, and Solas also had it be either optional or left ambiguous.

The only characters it was mandatory for were Cassandra, Cullen, and The Iron Bull. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I haven't romanced Josephine(and won't given I'll only play Inquisition once due to its length). What about her?

Her writer Sylvia wrote Josephine's romance to purposefully be ambiguous when it came to how physically intimate she and the Inquisitor were. Sylvia then focused on showing the more romantic side of the relationship. 

[LPPrince]

Her writer Sylvia wrote Josephine's romance to purposefully be ambiguous when it came to how physically intimate she and the Inquisitor were. Sylvia then focused on showing the more romantic side of the relationship. 

 

See, thats great.

[General TSAR]

Alright back to Andromeda. 

 

According to the survey, we got seven characters on the team and one of them is a Krogan who will more likely than not, not be a romance option. So that leaves six, 2/2/2 could work in theory then again, the other romance options might be crew and not away team.

[In Exile]

Alright back to Andromeda. 

 

According to the survey, we got seven characters on the team and one of them is a Krogan who will more likely than not, not be a romance option. So that leaves six, 2/2/2 could work in theory. 

 

No way. It'll probably be more like 1/1/1. 

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Not really.  It's not a 'good point' at all, actually.

 

Do you really think that they would only send reproductively sound people out on this mission?  Would there be an expectation that everyone will have to breed away?  Would they actually check the straight people's reproductive systems and only send people with cream of the crop organs?  No women with thin uterine walls on this mission!  No men with low sperm counts!  No women who have aged past menopause, so sorry decorated career military woman in her late 40's!  If there was a brilliant candidate, would they reject him because he had lost one of his testicles in an accident in the past?  Or because she has an irregular ovarian cycle?

 

C'mon now.  It's silly to suggest that three gay people (one PC, one guy LI, one gal LI) would be too much dead weight and would get dropped for another person with a strong sperm count or wide birthing hips, right?  This line of reasoning is hysterically juvenile at best and absurdly foolish at worse. 

Agree. And it is not like homosexual people all of sudden become unable to reproduce. 

[LPPrince]

Alright back to Andromeda. 

 

According to the survey, we got seven characters on the team and one of them is a Krogan who will more likely than not, not be a romance option. So that leaves six, 2/2/2 could work in theory. 

 

That feels like too many options from a team of that size. I mean I get it, but dang. I'd tone down the romances with a crew of that size.

 

Matter of fact, lets have full romantic partnerships off of the direct crew we're taking into combat. That way there can be whatever number and it doesn't have to be limited to those in the fire team.

 

Mass Effect has already done this, so I hope they do it again.

[daveliam]

Alright back to Andromeda. 

 

According to the survey, we got seven characters on the team and one of them is a Krogan who will more likely than not, not be a romance option. So that leaves six, 2/2/2 could work in theory. 

 

I would actually hope that some of the 2/2/2 are prominent NPCs.  I don't need each and every squad member outside of the Krogan to be romanceable.  I think DA: I showed that NPC romances can be just as popular (thinking of Cullen, specifically), so it could work again if they weren't treated like a side character too much. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Alright back to Andromeda. 

 

According to the survey, we got seven characters on the team and one of them is a Krogan who will more likely than not, not be a romance option. So that leaves six, 2/2/2 could work in theory then again, the other romance options might be crew and not away team.

Not all romances have to be squadmates. They can have some of them be our followers on the ship.