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[NuclearTech76]

Yes. Let's tie romance options to multiplayer performance. Kind of like Krogan breeding rights.

[LPPrince]

Not all romances have to be squadmates. They can have some of them be our followers on the ship. 

 

Hell, lets have some long distance. Even the ship shouldn't be a requirement.

[LPPrince]

Yes. Let's tie romance options to multiplayer performance. Kind of like Krogan breeding rights.

 

That'd actually be pretty funny.

[General TSAR]

There 2/2/2, some on the squad, some on the ship, everybody more happy in theory.

 

In reality watch as the lulz break out. 

[daveliam]

I honestly wouldn't be totally off put if there were only 2 LI's.  One male and one female, both bisexual.  I'd prefer two options, especially if other people get two options and I only get one (that is not cool).  But if everyone only got 1 option.  Either bisexual ME Bastila or bisexual ME Car....., Kaidan, then I'd be find that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hell, lets have some long distance. Even the ship shouldn't be a requirement.

Like someone who stays at the equivalent of the Citadel? That could work if we go there often enough. 

[Rannik]

Just as a point of interest, I did find this statistic from the CDC. It only reflects the US, so it might not be a COMPLETELY accurate representation of the world population.

http://www.cdc.gov/n...hsr/nhsr077.pdf

 

Interesting, the last Spanish study I could find is from 2009:

 

Informe Diversidad Afectivo-Sexual en la Formación de Docentes

Gallardo Linares, Francisco J.; Escolano López, Víctor M

 

TL;DR:

 

543 university students.

14,4% of the males defined themselves as anything other than strictly heterosexual or didn't answer that specific question (after answering all the others).

6,1% of the males explicitly defined themselves as homosexual.

11,1% of the females defined themselves as anything other than strictly heterosexual or didn't want to answer that specific question.

0,7%* of the females explicitly defined themselves as homosexual.

 

*: This might look like an anomaly, but it guetto-correlates with the difference between homosexual male and female marriages numbers (which are official), gay dudes marry almost 3 times as much as lesbians which probably  means that homosexuality is more common among males.

 

In the end all these self-reported statistics have a strong and painfully obvious bias, but as you can see that 3% that some people like to repeat is not necessarily close to the truth, same with the Kinsley stuff and its 10% "magic number".

[BabyPuncher]

Nine times as many males as females identifying as gay?

 

Definitely something going on with the study or sample or Spain in general.

[LPPrince]

Like someone who stays at the equivalent of the Citadel? That could work if we go there often enough. 

 

Yeah. To use characters we know, if Shepard had a relationship with someone like Doctor Michel in Mass Effect. She stayed on the Citadel for the entirety of the game.

 

Even more interesting would be a relationship with someone on ANOTHER ship thats flying around all the time. Dem Skype calls tho

[Grieving Natashina]

Agree. And it is not like homosexual people all of sudden become unable to reproduce. 

We have artificial insemination today.  If anything, in about 160+ years from now (or whenever ME:A takes place,) I'm betting the technology would have been refined and improved.

[Draining Dragon]

You also realized that this is massively flawed for the purposes that you are trying to use it, right?  It's self-reported data about a historically and culturally stigmatized subset of people. 
 
Basically, 3% represents the percentage of people who are LGBT and will self-identify as such to strangers in a study like this.  It means, on a functional level, that it doesn't account for the LGBT people who either won't self-identify or are in the closet.  It's a minimum of 3%.  That's the bottom part of the range. 
 
The study itself also specifically states that it has limitations.  Limitations that are often overlooked when it's used as 'evidence' that only 3% of the population is LGBT.

I didn't provide any analysis or pass any judgment on the matter, I just posted the link. Make of it what you will.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah. To use characters we know, if Shepard had a relationship with someone like Doctor Michel in Mass Effect. She stayed on the Citadel for the entirety of the game.

 

Even more interesting would be a relationship with someone on ANOTHER ship thats flying around all the time. Dem Skype calls tho

That could be really interesting. That romance could be a case of the whole "have someone waiting for you at home" romance. 

 

As for the other ship captain, it'd be fun if maybe they started out as having a friendly rivalry before they become more romantic. 

[LPPrince]

That could be really interesting. That romance could be a case of the whole "have someone waiting for you at home" romance. 

 

As for the other ship captain, it'd be fun if maybe they started out as having a friendly rivalry before they become more romantic. 

 

Something like that, yeah. Doesn't even need to be another ship captain, could just be someone who happens to be on the crew in that ship. One of the "companions" of whoever's leading over there. Bioware could figure it out.

[AlexiaRevan]

I'm just pointing out that lesbian shep has more options than gay male shep and straight female shep. Straight male shep of course was catered to the absolute most.

really ? 

 

You get cortez in ME3 no , and I get Traynor . Cortez fly around with you while Traynor is stuck forever at the CIC....

[Rannik]

Nine times as many males as females identifying as gay?

 

Definitely something going on with the study or sample or Spain in general.

 

Females were much more likely (9,1% vs 3,8%) to choose the mixed responses though, the male results are much more polarized.

[Draining Dragon]

To be honest, Bioware shouldn't include romances for the sake of romances. They should instead use romances as a way to expand on a character. The romances in Shadows of Amn and Mass Effect did this pretty well. Problems arise when you try to shoehorn in as many romances as possible, as Inquisition did.

[AlexiaRevan]

To be honest, Bioware shouldn't include romances for the sake of romances. They should instead use romances as a way to expand on a character. The romances in Shadows of Amn and Mass Effect did this pretty well. Problems arise when you try to shoehorn in as many romances as possible, as Inquisition did.

Err how is that a Good exemple ? 

Dude get 3 romance and I'm stuck with some Bipolére Paladin....

 

and everyone back then said all those romances needed a shrink  and were dysfunctional ...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Something like that, yeah. Doesn't even need to be another ship captain, could just be someone who happens to be on the crew in that ship. One of the "companions" of whoever's leading over there. Bioware could figure it out.

Well, if we start with having a mentor and then get promoted, there could be a fun interaction with your character teasing that you are ahead and/or them saying they'll be catching up with you soon. 

 

 

To be honest, Bioware shouldn't include romances for the sake of romances. They should instead use romances as a way to expand on a character. The romances in Shadows of Amn and Mass Effect did this pretty well. Problems arise when you try to shoehorn in as many romances as possible, as Inquisition did.

Bioware agrees with you. They write a sexuality around a character rather than a character around a sexuality. 

[Rannik]

Yup! Society has finally started to somewhat recognize LGBT people as human beings and we're no longer being murdered and burned alive by the Catholic church so yes, more and more LGBT people are able to live their lives as who they are and come out.

 

Oh wow, that escalated quickly.

 

The Catholic Church was literally burning people alive 10 years ago!!11!

[LPPrince]

I just want to see ship-to-ship Skype calls now.

[Draining Dragon]

Err how is that a Good exemple ? 
Dude get 3 romance and I'm stuck with some Bipolére Paladin....
 
and everyone back then said all those romances needed a shrink  and were dysfunctional ...

I'm sorry, but you seem to have totally disregarded the contents of my post in your reply. I'm also not sure what exactly you're trying to say.

[daveliam]

really ? 

 

You get cortez in ME3 no , and I get Traynor . Cortez fly around with you while Traynor is stuck forever at the CIC....

 

ME - Liara

ME2 - Kelly (fling), Samara (fling), and Liara (DLC)

ME3 - Liara, Kelly, Samantha, and Diana (fling)

 

versus

 

ME - no one

ME2 - no one

ME3 - Kaidan and Steve

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the f/f options were great, but there were certainly more of them than m/m options, right?

 

Females were much more likely (9,1% vs 3,8%) to choose the mixed responses though, the male results are much more polarized.

 

That actually makes sense given the cultural influence on how people publicly identify.  More women identify as bisexual because bisexual women are generally well received and receive less stigma than lesbians.  More men identify as straight or gay because bisexual men are genuinely not well received and are seen as being in denial about their homosexuality. 

 

It also goes to show how flawed these self-report studies are for 'proving' demographics.

[Boost32]

Gee, and here I am thinking that referring to someone as "he" or "she" was doing just that.

 

If the romances were 100% the same then fans wouldn't have complained that Anders reveals his past relationship with Karl to a male Hawke and not the female.  I'm not saying DA2 had perfect romances but they were equal without stuffing a million companions down our throats.

 

Why would you use DAI as an example of a badly done romance when I don't even like how they did them in DAI?  DAI doesn't give you a proper backstory, they stuffed so many Romances in the game to the point where none of them had any relevant story nor time and attention to them, backstory, et al.  DAI proves that just giving everybody romance representation isn't enough to tell a compelling story.   However, DAO doesn't prove that giving everyone set sexualities makes a story or companion compelling.  Like I said, everything you mentioned in DAO could still happen even if everyone was romancebale by both genders.

 

The issue here is poor companion writing not sexuality.  The way I see it, the sexuality of a companion doesn't even matter, it's the least important way to define a character. Give us a good story with our companions and not focus on what gender they want to bang. If you view them all as bisexual, then that would be your own problem. But if I romance a man as a man I would see that character as completely gay unless he says otherwise.  Which I think he shouldn't.

No its not, because nothing changes in their relationship, its almost the same.

I did recgonize there are a few different lines, but thats it, its in no way meaningful to the romance. And IIRC, andes says it to any male Hawke, doesnt even need to be in a romance.

 

Do you want another example? In DA2 you cant even talk about marriage or kids to any of you romances, they treat a hetero relationship like a homosexual (why the word hom0 is censored?) one. I dont want it anymore.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but every Li in DA2 is bisexual, confirmed by David Gaider a while back. You might be content with the Bi LI, but I'm not, if Bioware cant make a different romance for a homosexual or hetero relationship its better they just remove the BI LI.