I'll check the "Sexuality Toggle" off of the list. This is like the Greatest Hits of Inane Arguments Against Non-Hetero LIs. They've stated for several years now that such a selection system isn't going to happen. Do I really need to dig up sources from 2011?
I'm waiting for one more particular comment to come up before I can call Bingo.
why on earth not?
I'm gonna take a page out of Destiny's playbook and say I don't have the time to say why I don't have the time to describe why a sexuality toggle is one of the most monumentally/astronomically bad ideas for the improvement of romance side plots in a videogame.
I'll check the "Sexuality Toggle" off of the list. This is like the Greatest Hits of Inane Arguments Against Non-Hetero LIs. They've stated for several years now that such a selection system isn't going to happen. Do I really need to dig up sources from 2011?
I'm waiting for one more particular comment to come up before I can call Bingo.
So it is not worth a discussion? in most rpg's you can choose your race and skin color and it can have an effect in game with certain dialog, why not sexuality?
I'll check the "Sexuality Toggle" off of the list. This is like the Greatest Hits of Inane Arguments Against Non-Hetero LIs. They've stated for several years now that such a selection system isn't going to happen. Do I really need to dig up sources from 2011?
I'm waiting for one more particular comment to come up before I can call Bingo.
You know you've been here a long time when you have a list like that.
hahaha
The romance options for a straight FemShep in ME3 weren't exactly fair. If Kaidan died on Virmire and Garrus wasn't romanced in 2 she actually has 0 straight options. And to make matters worse Jacob always cheats and Thane always dies.
having the same number of romance options of each gender and orientation for each gender and orientation would be pretty fair
Again, you are bringing up an issue that is completely unrelated. No one here is saying that we want content locked behind the romance. Where are you coming up with this?
Also, how exactly does having Anders and Kaidan being bisexual have anything to do with content being locked behind the romances? That happened regardless of their sexuality. So why are you making the connection to this? What's your argument? Now that Kaidan is bisexual you are forced to romance him as a man in order to access the content? Why not just romance him as a woman still? Or, if you aren't going to access the content, who cares if he's straight or bisexual. Your argument literally doesn't make logical sense.
Finally, YES, the changes in their personality and the change in sexuality was NOT RELATED. If you genuinely think that the writers thought "Well, now Anders is openly bisexual, so I need to make sure that his personality is different", then I don't know what to tell you. I don't think you understand how the process works. I really don't.
it is related...their character sexuality changed and their personality changed too. If you do not accept the advances from these characters they clam up thus hiding content b/c I am not that particular sexual preference. That is not right. Before you could fully explore what made them tick, but later if you rejected their advances, then that character content is blocked off. Why would I play as a female? Is that really your solution?
So straight/bi/gay should be 2/2/4? >.< yea thats "fair". lawl
I'm gonna take a page out of Destiny's playbook and say I don't have the time to say why I don't have the time to describe why a sexuality toggle is one of the most monumentally/astronomically bad ideas for the improvement of romance side plots in a videogame.
well i wish someone did have the time, because with it being explained why it is such a bad idea maybe i could understand and learn something.
You know you've been here a long time when you have a list like that.
hahaha
Mine goes back to the ToR forums back in 2012. I was in the Same Gender Romance thread for over a year. I've heard pretty much every excuse under the sun, although occasionally people surprise me.
The sexuality toggle is a stupid idea. There is already a choice for your sexuality. Which is called, "What the player is going to do." Characters won't stop being bi, or gay, or straight, or whatever. No need to add in extra coding for the sake of something this dumb.
Kaidan was "ruined" when he was made bi? That's ridiculous. Kaidan has always been insufferable.
his personality/character changed is what ruined him. Why was there a change? Because apparently your personality has to change in order to go from straight to bi. >.< because thats what happened.
So it is not worth a discussion? in most rpg's you can choose your race and skin color and it can have an effect in game with certain dialog, why not sexuality?
I'll bite because you seem to genuinely wonder. It's because many people have expressed the desire for this 'toggle' solely for the purpose of toggling away the gay. Obviously, not everyone will use it for that purpose. But enough people did that it's been associated in the devs' minds with that purpose and they're not interested in that.
it is related...their character sexuality changed and their personality changed too. If you do not accept the advances from these characters they clam up thus hiding content b/c I am not that particular sexual preference. That is not right. Before you could fully explore what made them tick, but later if you rejected their advances, then that character content is blocked off. Why would I play as a female? Is that really your solution?
So straight/bi/gay should be 2/2/4? >.< yea thats "fair". lawl
1.) How did them being bisexual change that for you? Either way the content was locked for straight guys and lesbians. If you were willing to play as a straight woman, the option still exists. It only opens it up for another demographic. It doesn't reduce the content for anyone. As a straight male, you get blocked out of a fair amount of Kaidan's content in ME1. Unless you are somehow suggesting that their sexuality changing also caused the content to get gated by romance, in which case I don't have anything to add except to go grab some tin foil.
2.) Huh? Seriously, huh? Who has said 2/2/4? No one. Are you just making things up to troll now? The idea is 2/2/2, everyone gets two options.
So it is not worth a discussion? in most rpg's you can choose your race and skin color and it can have an effect in game with certain dialog, why not sexuality?
It depends a lot on whether you're asking for a start of game choice about just your character's sexuality, or a world altering choice about how the game caters to your (chosen) sexuality.
I can see reasons for doing the former, but probably not in a BioWare game.
well i wish someone did have the time, because with it being explained why it is such a bad idea maybe i could understand and learn something.
For one, because Bioware's inclusion of gay people in the game is explicitly about more than just representation for gay players.
Also, it's a waste of resources because even most homophobic people I know aren't so alarmed by gay people that they have to form some kind of mental barrier through which they can pretend gay people don't even exist.
Mine goes back to the ToR forums back in 2012. I was in the Same Gender Romance thread for over a year. I've heard pretty much every excuse under the sun, although occasionally people surprise me.
The sexuality toggle is a stupid idea. There is already a choice for your sexuality. Which is called, "What the player is going to do." Characters won't stop being bi, or gay, or straight, or whatever. No need to add in extra coding for the sake of something this dumb.
I think i understand it now, so you a saying fictional Characters in video games won't stop being bi, or gay, or straight, or whatever.
well i wish someone did have the time, because with it being explained why it is such a bad idea maybe i could understand and learn something.
You have a "toggle" insofar as you have dialog options. You can choose for your character to pursue same sex content. Toggle unnecessary.
If the toggle is being used to bowdlerize the game of all gay content because your delicate sensibilities don't want to deal with it... it's offensive(ly stupid). Toggle unnecessary again, in any event.
David Gaider's blog was shut down, but here's another link talking about it:
http://www.gameranx....mantic-options/
“There are a few issues with that, from a development perspective. The first is our need to treat every version of the game, whether that feature has been turned on or off, as a legitimate way to play and thus one we must test,” he wrote. “The more fundamental a mechanic that is affected, the more things it can touch (even inadvertently) and thus the more testing it must receive. We need to be concerned not only about whether that variant works, but also how it affects the play experience.
“Beyond that, when it comes to content options like the so-called ‘gay toggle’ …my question would be ‘why?’ We don’t allow the player to de-select other sorts of content. A ‘violence’ toggle? A ‘mention of slavery’ toggle? A ‘sexual situations’ toggle? Why would we have a ‘gay’ toggle? Even if that was just to set the player’s personal preference, and we didn’t think that was incredibly on-the-nose to put up front, would de-selecting the ‘gay’ toggle mean a player should expect to encounter no gay characters? Ever? You don’t think there are those who would interpret it as exactly that?”
So that's why.
I think i understand it now, so you a saying fictional Characters in video games won't stop being bi, or gay, or straight, or whatever.
Correct. If the toggle is just to set your own sexuality, then it's not necessary because your actions effectively do that. If the toggle is to change the orientations of the other characters so that everyone meets your sexual interests, then it's not something that they want to do for the reasons stated.
How about they focus on making a good story first and not another train wreck like ME2/3 story?
well i wish someone did have the time, because with it being explained why it is such a bad idea maybe i could understand and learn something.
Alright, alright. I'll take the time. I should, anyway.
WHY A SEXUALITY TOGGLE WOULD BE A TERRIBAD IDEA-
Sexuality is way too variable to ever be accurately handled via a simple choice or toggle made at a menu.
For example, me. I'm a straight guy. I've always been straight. Never wavered. I love women and only women in both a romantic and sexual way. If I were to be "toggled" into the straight option, it'd be fine.
But not everyone is so rigid in their preferences. Others ebb and flow and change with time and other factors. Others aren't quite sure. Some are so complicated I can't sit here and pretend I can accurately describe how it works for them.
Sexuality isn't always a "one or the other" sort of thing. Its not always quite that simple. Romantic/sexual interest is so widely different from person to person(even between people of the same sexuality) that a toggle would only limit what kind of character a player could control.
Perhaps someone wants to play a character who's set in their preferences and only sticks to one or the other. A toggle could still affect them if they come across a character of a different sort that they'd like to attempt pursuing.
Point is, a toggle is a terrible idea. All it does is limit, does so unnecessarily, and would be a waste of resources. Bioware recognizes this and has always stated they won't do it.
For one, because Bioware's inclusion of gay people in the game is explicitly about more than just representation for gay players.
Also, it's a waste of resources because even most homophobic people I know aren't so alarmed by gay people that they have to form some kind of mental barrier through which they can pretend gay people don't even exist.
"explicitly about more than just representation for gay players", should it be? its 2015 who are we trying to teach here? homosexuality is accepted in the community.
How about they focus on making a good story first and not another train wreck like ME2/3 story?
Mine goes back to the ToR forums back in 2012. I was in the Same Gender Romance thread for over a year. I've heard pretty much every excuse under the sun, although occasionally people surprise me.
The sexuality toggle is a stupid idea. There is already a choice for your sexuality. Which is called, "What the player is going to do." Characters won't stop being bi, or gay, or straight, or whatever. No need to add in extra coding for the sake of something this dumb.
"explicitly about more than just representation for gay players", should it be? its 2015 who are we trying to teach here? homosexuality is accepted in the community.
Uh........ Not really. LIke not even mostly, let alone absolutely.
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