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So... Can Romance Be A Little More Fair This Time?


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Oh my god, yes. Thank you for this. Marriage doesn't change your sexual attraction, it just means you've chosen a specific person to spend your life with. 

 

Even if I get married it won't stop me from checking out handsome guys on the street.

You're welcome.  I've been married for 9 years, and in my relationship for over 11.  My husband is a great guy, but he didn't "turn" me straight.

 

I still notice women that I find attractive as well as men.  I'm married, not dead.   :P


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We don't know what happened at the end of ME3, we don't know why we go to andromeda, e don't know how the gameplay is going to be and you worry about... romances. Where and when did bioware pick up such a petty audience, and why don't they drop you.

 

I think it's simply an easier discussion topic because we really don;t know anything else about the new game yet.



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You're welcome.  I've been married for almost 9 years, and in my relationship for over 11.  My husband is a great guy, but he didn't "turn" me straight.

 

I still notice women that I find attractive as well as men.  I'm married, not dead.   :P

 

People seem to believe that bisexuality and monogamy are mutually exclusive concepts and I don't understand it. 



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Except that they generally aren't asking for more options. They just want equal options. 

 

What's so awful about asking for 2/2/2?

 

There's no issue with you asking for it. Just as there should be no issue in me asking for 4 options available to everyone because i think resources spread across four characters is better than 6 and gating an already artificially limited pool is a bad idea.



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Except that they generally aren't asking for more options. They just want equal options. 
 
What's so awful about asking for 2/2/2?


I don't think Bioware should write romances with the goal of having a certain number of straight, gay, and bi options. That just ends up with everyone unhappy because the romances felt forced.

It's funny how Inquisition is such a good example of things Bioware *shouldn't* do.

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We don't know what happened at the end of ME3, we don't know why we go to andromeda, e don't know how the gameplay is going to be and you worry about... romances. Where and when did bioware pick up such a petty audience, and why don't they drop you.

 

We don't know what happened at the end of ME3, we don't know why we go to Andromeda, we don't know how the gameplay is going to be and you worry about... other people discussing romances.



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so would you be put off if a similar experience of a romance subplot was straight only?  Just wondering.

 

 

how did i describe that? you are putting words in my mouth.  My point is that it seems that players want their cake and eat it too.  He had a uniquely satisfying experience in his gay romance subplot.  All I ask is if a similar experience was straight only, that would be okay with him or would that put him off? or if he would demand that character to be gay/bi, too so they too can experience that similar straight experience.

 

 

I've read this over and over, and it still doesn't make any sense to me. Dorian's character resonated with people who have put up with similar issues in real life. If he was straight, it wouldn't make any sense.

 

I guess I need someone to explain to me what comprises the "straight" experience that isn't already embodied in... most media across most mediums.

 

Basically what Tommy said. I've read your question several times and I still don't know what you mean. I feel like you're wanting to imply or lead me to saying that I don't want there to be any straight romances but I want there to be gay ones, and that's not true. For example, I would have liked to romance Cullen in DAI, but I wasn't disappointed that I couldn't because I had two other male love interests to choose from, one of which I despise and will never romance, but I still appreciate that I was given the choice, just as I was given a choice in ME3 and DA2 even though Cortez and Fenris aren't very appealing to me either. Yeah, it would have been nice to romance Cullen with my preferred Inquisitor, but I don't feel slighted like I did in DAO and I won't feel slighted unless I'm only given one choice again (or zero in ME1 and ME2) when other people get multiple options.



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I don't think Bioware should write romances with the goal of having a certain number of straight, gay, and bi options. That just ends up with everyone unhappy because the romances felt forced.

It's funny how Inquisition is such a good example of things Bioware *shouldn't* do.

 

Of course I don't want the romances to feel forced, but I definitely think distribution and numbers is something the team already considers when they're writing companions and romances. 



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Straight players can still play gay content.

 

Same goes for the LGBT they can play play straight content, so what's your point ? You can't please or represent everyone, if you think you can you re a fool.

 

And I prefer Bioware to make some solid content for the majority rather than wasting time and ressources for a minority.



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Inquisition bloated the options, coupled with largely pointless gating and the romances suffered for it.  So i hope the lesson they learnt was to abandon the silly gating nonsense and focus better content a smaller number of options available to everyone. If there were extra resources allocated versus DA2 they certainly weren't used to improve the experience.

 

I don't think that opinion is shared by enough people to make that impact on the devs(bloated options, pointless gating, romances suffered). On the other hand DA2's playersexuality thing was a huge issue that still gets brought up to this day.

 

But we'll see.



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Same goes for the LGBT they can play play straight content, so what's your point ? You can't please or represent everyone, if you think you can you re a fool.

 

And I prefer Bioware to make some solid content for the majority rather than wasting time and ressources for a minority.

 

I'd prefer that people not act surprised about this, since this is the path they've been on for the better part of a decade now.



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It's funny how Inquisition is such a good example of things Bioware *shouldn't* do.

 

Is it though?



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Is it though?


Yes.

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Putting the LIs into the "all bisexual" camp isn't so hot for me as a bisexual lady.  I've seen folks talk about how their Hawke made one of the LIs straight or gay.  I know it's in a video game, but I've seen that fallacy come up several times in real life.  Including with me personally, when I was outed when I was 15.    

 

"Oh, but if you married a man, you'll be straight.  If you married a woman, you'll be gay.  You're just confused, honey."  Thanks Mom. <_<   I don't bring up my sexuality these days to her.  She hasn't changed her mind and I don't feel like debating with a 60-mumble year old woman about my sexuality.  I just know that I'm happily married, but my husband never changed my sexuality.  I'm monogamous, but still bisexual.

 

The idea that a character, or a person, can make a bisexual individual gay or straight sits poorly with me.  Monogamy isn't the same thing as being straight, bi or gay.   I know that wasn't their intention behind the DA2 system at all.  However, sadly, it did leave that impression for a lot of people.

 

Aye. I used to support the numbered system of 2/2/2 but I think thats just as artificial as making everyone bi for player convenience. I'd rather they write characters and give them the romantic preferences they would naturally have, even if it means its lopsided in such a way that its not in my favor.

 

Then again, I'm fine with playing male or female characters, gay or straight, etc etc. So I can adapt.


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When Dragon Age 2 did it, people complained about how unrealistic that so many companions were Bi. 
 
Honestly, I was cool with out Dragon Age: Inquisition handled it. Personally could have done less with Josephine being a romcom cliche though.


More upset that Josie didn't get nekkers, wanted to see what was under all those ruffles.

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Yes.

 

How so?



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More upset that Josie didn't get nekkers, wanted to see what was under all those ruffles.

 

Dreams. Your dreams, Ryuzetsu.



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Same goes for the LGBT they can play play straight content, so what's your point ? You can't please or represent everyone, if you think you can you re a fool.

 

And I prefer Bioware to make some solid content for the majority rather than wasting time and ressources for a minority.

 

And this is probably how segregation started back in the day...



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Of course I don't want the romances to feel forced, but I definitely think distribution and numbers is something the team already considers when they're writing companions and romances. 

 

To a degree. I'd hope its not, "Welp, we need another heterosexual companion to add up to what we've already got". I'd rather it come naturally, and if something seems really biased to a detrimental degree then they adjust.



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To a degree. I'd hope its not, "Welp, we need another heterosexual companion to add up to what we've already got". I'd rather it come naturally, and if something seems really biased to a detrimental degree then they adjust.

 

I'd think it would probably come up in the very beginning stages of brainstorming, before any characters were fully realized.

 

But since I've never been in their boardroom I really can't speculate, and should probably drop this train of thought.



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Same goes for the LGBT they can play play straight content, so what's your point ? You can't please or represent everyone, if you think you can you re a fool.

 

My point is that BioWare has provided a range of content and people play it. Straight people play gay content, gay people play straight content, people play content, doesn't that sound nice? They're able to do that because BioWare made a point of providing options for everyone, and that improved things for everyone.

 

That you can't please everyone has no impact on the number of people you do please. BioWare's current course is pleasing people.


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How so?


Generic storyline, cliché villain, forgettable characters, rushed romances, large open areas with little substantive content, poor CC lighting (which they explicitly said they would avoid with that game), hand-wave explanations for disregarding past player choices, new meaningless choices, bored-sounding voice acting for the protagonist, etcetera.

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Generic storyline, cliché villain, forgettable characters, rushed romances, large open areas with little substantive content, poor CC lighting (which they explicitly said they would avoid with that game), hand-wave explanations for disregarding past player choices, new meaningless choices, bored-sounding voice acting for the protagonist, etcetera.

 

I was referring specifically to the romance content.



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People seem to believe that bisexuality and monogamy are mutually exclusive concepts and I don't understand it. 

We're attracted to both genders, therefore it must be harder to control ourselves.  So the excuse I've been told says.

 

My personal favorite is the misconception that bisexuals have the highest rate of STD transmissions.  That stat actually belongs to the aging Baby Boomer community.  Disgusting, sad, but true.



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As a heterosexual female, DAI certainly was a new experience insofar as all of the options at my disposal.  That being said, I am not building up expectations of that proportion for ME:A until more information is revealed.  Then expectations WILL BE SET AT MAXIMUM, as per usual.