Not gonna lie, im a little turned on.
Not going to lie either. It's having the opposite effect as it was intended. It was meant to show how silly a krogan romance would look because they're generally not sexualized characters. But, frankly, it just makes me wish that there was a Krogan romance now. I'd go for it.
I'd very surprised if they hadn't expected a reaction to the da2 approach. They simply considered it the most pragmatic solution to providing same choices to everyone without sacrificing choice or content.
Aye, but they didn't anticipate the sheer number of people going, "Wait what? Everyone's into the PC no matter their sex? Oh come on guys, they're basically in love with the player then". It was a solution based on a lack of resources and it didn't pan out all that well given playersexuality is an immortal term for Bioware fans now.
"I'm flattered, but I wouldn't want to jeopardize your health" can be perceived as, "I like you too, but I don't want to have sex with you because of the danger".
Romance shouldn't hinge on bedroom workouts.
The way it plays out is a little bizarre. Shepard could spend the entire game never expressing romantic interest in Tali, and when she expresses interest, politely turning her down...only for Tali to later demand Shepard stop playing games and ditch Miranda or Jack. It makes Tali come across as a little delusional.
For some reason the devs seemed to struggle with lock out dialogue for the various LI options. Until ME3 its nearly impossible to politely turn any character down, and Shepard has to be a complete jerkass for them to get the hint.
Cassandra's romance in DA: I is generally considered to be one of the strongest. I have not seen many people who have done it complain about it. I have yet to see a lesbian or bisexual gal say, "Oh, her romance is good? Then I demand that she is now bisexual so that I can experience that with a female Inquisitor!" Sure there were some gals bummed when she was first announced as straight, but that was more about being denied the strong warrior woman yet again combined with already knowing and liking the character. It was way before anyone knew how good her romance was going to be. Most gals who wanted to romance her sucked it up and rolled a male character or decided to let it go.
LOL. Yep Fem Inquisitor got the "let's be friends speech" and I howled. Totally did not see that one coming (managed to avoid spoiler). Dated Sera, Josephine and no1, lol. Just roled a Male Inq for Insane play thru and Cassie romance. I have also skipped spoiler on her, but I hear it's fantastic. My male elf looks a great deal like my female elf...kinda trans...little weird...wasn't intentional but do wonder how it will effect rp.
Yeah, I have to admit that I'm not too crazy about bisexuals either. I mean, it's rather silly to say that all bisexuals are greedy just because they like both sexes because it's like saying all straight men want to be with every single woman they meet, which is just absurd. However, with bisexuals, I feel that it's pretty much impossible for them to be sexually fulfilled with just one sex. The way they have sex with males and females, and the feelings they get from each, are different experiences and I feel as though a bisexuals are more likely to get the feeling of having an itch they can't scratch with just one sexual partner. Of course, I can see bisexuals that lean more towards one sex having less feelings like this, but the ones that are right in the middle of the spectrum seem more likely to want to have different sexual experiences.
That's an awful lot of assumptions to be making.
Anyway, my only problem with bisexual guys in real life if that so few of them will actually come out rather than remain closeted. And I'm sympathetic to a point because they do get so much baggage placed upon them, like the post above, but I'm not cool with the whole I want to suck your dick and then go back and pretend to be straight. But that goes for closet gay guys as well.
Not going to lie either. It's having the opposite effect as it was intended. It was meant to show how silly a krogan romance would look because they're generally not sexualized characters. But, frankly, it just makes me wish that there was a Krogan romance now. I'd go for it.
Oh, what has Bioware done to us?
The way it plays out is a little bizarre. Shepard could spend the entire game never expressing romantic interest in Tali, and when she expresses interest, politely turning her down...only for Tali to later demand Shepard stop playing games and ditch Miranda or Jack. It makes Tali come across as a little delusional.
For some reason the devs seemed to struggle with lock out dialogue for the various LI options. Until ME3 its nearly impossible to politely turn any character down, and Shepard has to be a complete jerkass for them to get the hint.
Thats my point though, it isn't an obvious "turning down of romance". Its "turning down of sex". So the romance could potentially continue, just without sex being involved. Or at least, thats what it could sound like(even if it wasn't that way in practice).
Intent is hard to convey even when speaking to one another unless you're given time to specifically clarify.
Cassandra's romance in DA: I is generally considered to be one of the strongest. I have not seen many people who have done it complain about it. I have yet to see a lesbian or bisexual gal say, "Oh, her romance is good? Then I demand that she is now bisexual so that I can experience that with a female Inquisitor!" Sure there were some gals bummed when she was first announced as straight, but that was more about being denied the strong warrior woman yet again combined with already knowing and liking the character. It was way before anyone knew how good her romance was going to be. Most gals who wanted to romance her sucked it up and rolled a male character or decided to let it go.
I'd argue whether her romance is particularly strong. Given there's been a mod created specifically to remove that gate and provide people access to the romance i'd probably disagree with your second statement too. I don't see any story value in the gate placed on Cass romance that justified excluding people from experiencing a warrior woman romance and that's as someone who is a straight male. Just seems to create fights so people lay claim to a character as theirs and not open to others.
Why are homophobic straight people so upset and against diversity in video games........? Like seriously, why is this making you so upset? How is giving LGBT people a fair and equal game and letting them have the same amount of love interests in a video game wasting time and resources?
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LOL. So many blatantly homophobic comments in this thread and then when those people are called out for their homophobia all they can say is "I HATE SJWS!!11" lmfao.
TYVM.
Oh, what has Bioware done to us?
I.O.U. one 'like'.
There was a youtube clip up (can't find it now), of the VO actresses that played FemShep and Miranda have a voiced scripted sex scene that was cut. Does anyone remember this but me or know where the link is so peeps don't think I'm crazy?
While I don't remember that specific one, just because it was recorded doesn't mean it was "cut" in the sense that it was originally intended to be in the game but they changed their minds. It's every bit as likely (if not more so) that they never intended to make Miranda (or any other characters with such recorded scenes) bisexual, but, seeing as they had the VAs in the studio, recorded the scenes in case they later changed their minds. Its a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to have the VAs do a few extra scenes that don't get used, than to have to get them back in should you later decide you want to change the character's sexuality.
That's not to say every bit of "cut" content wasn't ever really intended to go into the game. But I'd be willing to bet a significant portion of it falls under this category.
By the way, if y'all haven't watched the two videos I linked by Arielle Scarcella, go up to the post or the quotes of the post, unspoiler the tag, and give them a watch. Eye opening.
Well, there is the Cassandra bi-mod, ad well as tumblr theorizing she's actually bisexual but actually indoctrinated by the Chantry liking girls is evil.Cassandra's romance in DA: I is generally considered to be one of the strongest. I have not seen many people who have done it complain about it. I have yet to see a lesbian or bisexual gal say, "Oh, her romance is good? Then I demand that she is now bisexual so that I can experience that with a female Inquisitor!" Sure there were some gals bummed when she was first announced as straight, but that was more about being denied the strong warrior woman yet again combined with already knowing and liking the character. It was way before anyone knew how good her romance was going to be. Most gals who wanted to romance her sucked it up and rolled a male character or decided to let it go.
I'd argue whether her romance is particularly strong. Given there's been a mod created specifically to remove that gate and provide people access to the romance i'd probably disagree with your second statement too. I don't see any story value in the gate placed on Cass romance that justified excluding people from experiencing a warrior woman romance and that's as someone who is a straight male. Just seems to create fights so people lay claim to a character as theirs and not open to others.
The argument isn't that there's value in the gate, though. His argument is that if there was a well received straight romance, gay people would demand that the character is changed to being bisexual so that they could experience it with their preferred gender as well. I'm simply pointing that out that characters like Solas, Cass, and Cullen (all from the most recent game) demonstrate that this isn't the case. People making a mod =/= people demanding the character's sexuality is changed canonically. That was really my point.
Well, there is the Cassandra bi-mod, ad well as tumblr theorizing she's actually bisexual but actually indoctrinated by the Chantry liking girls is evil.
Granted, I don't think They rapresent the majority of lesbians or bisexual women that played DAI, but there are some.
There are crazies of all demographics.
And, again, I don't see a mod as the same thing as the poster was talking about. He was implying that gay people would demand that the devs retcon a character's sexuality if they were straight and had a well-received romance arc. It was a build off of his "Kaidan was ruined when the devs were forced to turn him bisexual" argument.
Of course, I think my first statement in this response probably hits close to home with that one.
Understood.The argument isn't that there's value in the gate, though. His argument is that if there was a well received straight romance, gay people would demand that the character is changed to being bisexual so that they could experience it with their preferred gender as well. I'm simply pointing that out that characters like Solas, Cass, and Cullen (all from the most recent game) demonstrate that this isn't the case. People making a mod =/= people demanding the character's sexuality is changed canonically. That was really my point.
There are crazies of all demographics.
And, again, I don't see a mod as the same thing as the poster was talking about. He was implying that gay people would demand that the devs retcon a character's sexuality if they were straight and had a well-received romance arc. It was a build off of his "Kaidan was ruined when the devs were forced to turn him bisexual" argument.
Of course, I think my first statement in this response probably hits close to home with that one.
I'd prefer 2 romance options in the game. One guy and one girl - both of them available to males and females. I think quality and story relevance are more important than the quantity of romance options. In DAI, there were so many romance options but only two of them really story relevant: Solas and Cassandra and both of them were straight. But I think equality is very important, not only when it comes to numbers. Story relevance is an important factor too.
Well, there is the Cassandra bi-mod, ad well as tumblr theorizing she's actually bisexual but actually indoctrinated by the Chantry liking girls is evil.
Granted, I don't think They rapresent the majority of lesbians or bisexual women that played DAI, but there are some.
I saw something equally stupid posted about Morrigan once, how she had been brainwashed by her mother into liking men because Flemeth wanted her to get pregnant. Tumblr is full of crazy idiots.
Yeah, I'm definitely not a supporter of mods that change a person's sexuality. Thats as bad as changing their skin color or place of origin because apparently games are Burger King and we need to have it "our way".
Aye, but they didn't anticipate the sheer number of people going, "Wait what? Everyone's into the PC no matter their sex? Oh come on guys, they're basically in love with the player then". It was a solution based on a lack of resources and it didn't pan out all that well given playersexuality is an immortal term for Bioware fans now.
It was controversial, there were numbers on both side of the divide. Everything was amplified by the DA2 dissatisfaction and hence why threw pretty much every aspect of DA2 out in their stampede to be like Origins, no matter if the approach was good or not.
*shoots forward in time specifically to calm down Tootles*
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Let me ask you a question before a bunch of people jump in and get angry (because they might). If a straight guy is attracted to both white women and black women, is more unfulfilled if he marries a white woman? Will he always be craving to scratch the 'black girl' itch? If a gay guy is attracted to both blonds and brunettes, but ends up marrying a redhead, should the partner be concerned that he's going to troll Grindr for blonds and brunettes because he's unfulfilled with his redheadeness?
It's the same with bisexuality. Being attracted to something doesn't mean that you aren't going to be fulfilled with your current partner. Or, at least, no more so than any other monogamous person.
That doesn't work at all because sex with men and women are completely different experiences. I mean, if a bi guy loves the being a bottom in a relationship with a guy, and yet is with a girl, how exactly would he be sexually satisfied in that way? He could use a strap-on, but the feeling and experience is totally different than being with an actual guy.
It was controversial, there were numbers on both side of the divide. Everything was amplified by the DA2 dissatisfaction and hence why threw pretty much every aspect of DA2 out in their stampede to be like Origins, no matter if the approach was good or not.
That seems like an excuse to discount the distaste for playersexuality though. Overall, DA2 WAS bad enough in the eyes of enough people that a lot of what made it what it was didn't carry over. Some things did though, like the qunari redesign, that was mostly supported.
The point I'm trying to make right now is that people didn't hate everything about DA2, but playersexuality was one of the top gripes with the game.
I'd prefer 2 romance options in the game. One guy and one girl - both of them available to males and females. I think quality and story relevance are more important than the quantity of romance options. In DAI, there were so many romance options but only two of them really story relevant: Solas and Cassandra and both of them were straight. But I think equality is very important, not only when it comes to numbers. Story relevance is an important factor too.
I've actually been thinking about this since yesterday and I'm really more and more coming around to the idea of a single male and single female LI, both bisexual. Sure, you would run the risk of having the character being universally disliked (Anomen comes to mind) and that sucks if s/he's your only option. And, of course, there would be people who would clutch their pearls and gasp at the idea of two prominent bisexuals in their science fiction story. But, frankly, I'm open to the idea. Think Bastila and Carth with Carth being replaced with someone, you know, likable! 
Yeah, I'm definitely not a supporter of mods that change a person's sexuality. Thats as bad as changing their skin color or place of origin because apparently games are Burger King and we need to have it "our way".
I tend to not criticize those mods because, frankly, it's not my business. The beauty of mods is that they only work on the player's game. It doesn't change anything about the actual story. While I personally don't support them for myself (I eyeroll especially hard when they're marketed as 'improving' the character.....), I don't come down on people who use/create them because it's not really my place to tell other people how to enjoy their game.
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