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[AlexiaRevan]

......and Samara..full of elegance 

[The Elder King]

Oh, I wasn't trying to debate with you, promise.  I was just clearing that up for you and Street so he could get where I was coming from.  I don't think Street was debating with me anymore than you were.  You both seemed politely curious.  
 
 


I wasn't implying all of the women were alike, but they do share some similarities.  .
 
Most of the more "tough no-nonsense" female companions in BioWare games are straight, particularly among the love interests.  Cass, Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Morrigan.  Even non romances, like Aveline are typically made straight.

No worries, I enjoy a lot talking with You .
Well, I think Samara is in the middle of the Two types, and she's bisexual. But yeah, I agree.

[Grieving Natashina]

No worries, I enjoy a lot talking with You .
Well, I think Samara is in the middle of the Two types, and she's bisexual. But yeah, I agree.

Good point.  I guess I should have included her as a non-romance example of an exception to the sexually active bisexual stereotype along with Josie among the ladies.  I didn't on the romance list, because nothing really comes of it unless you play Citadel.  

[Grieving Natashina]

Eh, double post incoming.  I don't feel like editing this into my previous post.  

 

 

I see what you mean. You think they're carrying on some older Bioware tradition. Maybe.

 

I thought you were saying that someone like Cass couldn't be straight... because I've heard that before.

It seems like a pattern, but one I hope that will break.

 

Oh no!  In fact, I know of straight women that were absolutely thrilled that someone like Cass was in DA:I.  There were women that were mechanics, former military and other typically "male dominated" professions that couldn't have been happier that Cass was in the game as a romance.  They felt like they got some badly needed representation in making that character a straight romance.  I couldn't be happier for them.  

 

Most lesbians and bisexual women I've talked to don't have any resentment towards straight women that feel like a character that is a lot like those women could be loved by a male PC.  I hope that came out right.  Some are more let down that Cass is straight, but it's the bashing on the character's looks by a few very loud persistent posters that can get painful.

[daveliam]

I find Cass to be very feminine. She has a lot of traits that are firmly in the feminine side of the masc/fem spectrum. I really, deep in my heart, believe that if she had Miranda's hairstyle, very few people would call her masculine. It's a perception thing.

TheME team botched m/m romance severely for the first two games (and by 'botched' I, of course, mean 'completely ignored and alienated the fanbase'), but once they implemented them, I think they did a great job. Everyone knows how I feel about Kaidan and his romance. And Steve's story was nice. It wasn't too creative, but it was an interesting twist on a tired arc. No many people saw a gay Carth Syndrome story coming. And what I really liked about both guys is that they didn't feel like stereotypes, which was my big concern after the dev team's earlier comments about gay Shep. It gives me faith that the new m/m LIs, whoever they are, will be solid.

On a slightly off topic note: earlier the DA 'LGBT promicuous rogue' thing came up. I just want to point out that Dorian's character file lists his 'character type' as 'dashing rogue'. So while he's not promicuous, he is adjacent to that trope as well. The only m/m options that don't that type in DA are Anders and Fenris. Now, that being said, I'm not opposed to a space 'dashing rogue' m/m option. Like Jack Harkness or a gay/bisexual Mal Reynolds. That could actually be right up my alley for MEA....

[Farewell]

I want player-sexual back from DA2. And i want all companions to be romanceable. And i want a Krogan companion! You see where this leads

 

Seriously tho, would it be too bad if at character creation you had an option to choose your character's sexual orientation?

 

I know this might sound retarded, but its actually a very simple solution so that everyone gets what they want.

You just choose at the get go how you want the love interests to respond to you, and that way no matter your sexual preference, you wont have to face things like "OMG that dude just hit on my male character, what is wrong with you bioware???".

You choose you want to be straight, and the game automatically closes the option to have gay romances, and vice versa. Would that be possible? And welcomed by the players?

 

It could solve a lot of controversy if you just had those options, and also the option to not choose sexual preference and play the game as intended by the devs.

I can already choose my PC's sexual orientation. I don't need to do that in character creation. My PC's sexual orientation is what I choose it be. I know that when I play the game.

 

I think the way characters behave is very crucial part of them. If you take that a way then those characters are not the same anymore. For example if a character is a flirtatious but on some playthroughs that character doens't flirt because of this feature then I think this feature changes too much of this character.

 

I also don't see any reason to implement this kind of feature because you need resources to do that and I would want that the devs would spend their resources on some other feature instead of this one. Besides I don't think it's a good idea to tie this kind of feature to PC's sexual orientation. If people want some kind of flirt toggle then I think that it would be better to if this would be a separate option like enable all flirting or disable all flirting but then again it prevents the characters to behave how they were written and resources are spend to this feature instead on some other content.

 

My problems with conversations with certain characters have been that my female Shepard has been flirting with them when I didn't want her to do that. That has happened with James and Jacob. It's important for me to choose how I talk with different people. If the other character flirts with my PC I would like to choose not to flirt back or if a character is hitting on my PC I would like to turn that person down. I think characters should behave the way they are written and to the player should be given options how to respond. I think that's more important than preventing characters from doing something.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I find Cass to be very feminine. She has a lot of traits that are firmly in the feminine side of the masc/fem spectrum. I really, deep in my heart, believe that if she had Miranda's hairstyle, very few people would call her masculine. It's a perception thing.

TheME team botched m/m romance severely for the first two games (and by 'botched' I, of course, mean 'completely ignored and alienated the fanbase'), but once they implemented them, I think they did a great job. Everyone knows how I feel about Kaidan and his romance. And Steve's story was nice. It wasn't too creative, but it was an interesting twist on a tired arc. No many people saw a gay Carth Syndrome story coming. And what I really liked about both guys is that they didn't feel like stereotypes, which was my big concern after the dev team's earlier comments about gay Shep. It gives me faith that the new m/m LIs, whoever they are, will be solid.

On a slightly off topic note: earlier the DA 'LGBT promicuous rogue' thing came up. I just want to point out that Dorian's character file lists his 'character type' as 'dashing rogue'. So while he's not promicuous, he is adjacent to that trope as well. The only m/m options that don't that type in DA are Anders and Fenris. Now, that being said, I'm not opposed to a space 'dashing rogue' m/m option. Like Jack Harkness or a gay/bisexual Mal Reynolds. That could actually be right up my alley for MEA....

 

I would actually like if some of the queer characters in MEA fall into roguish or brooding style archetypes. ME has the opposite problem as DA. Kaidan, Liara, Samantha, Steve, and Kelly were all on the nice, upstanding, goody two shoes side of the fence that has been so lacking in DA other than Josephine.

[Yggdrasil]

Oh, I like the way you think, daveliam!  I couldn't wait to romance Kaidan in ME3 and found it to be the most satisfying romance of any Bioware game.

[Kulyok]

When I found out about Kaidan in ME3, I never romanced him ever again. Strangely, never had such a problem with Anders. Guess he was just better written.

[aoibhealfae]

Maybe the queer romances was introduced last minute that they didn't properly pace the plot structure right and ME3 does feel too rushed. 

 

I don't know about Kaidan being awfully nice all the time but he has a temper. He totally butchered my Shepard's heart and he made her miserable most of ME2. At Mars, he's still cynical about Shepard cutting off ties with Cerberus... and then later he pointed a gun at her. He's only nice in ME3 because he's being apologetic. 

 

The only problem I had with his romance arc with BroShep was, it sat on the falling action of FemShep's Kaidan romance arc, and you're literally jumping straight into their comfort zone and bypassing their relationship conflicts. It could have been better if ME3 acknowledge modded ME1 BroShep/Kaidan romance...

[OhNoWhyHow]

Kaidan is just dull.  He's possibly the most vanilla male romance Bioware has ever done.  He's like Jacob - just some dude - except without the cringe worthy romance dialog to make him memorable. 

[PHOEN1XK1NG]

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 

For a moment, I could not reconcile the fact that Pheonix had posted in a romance thread.

 

The I saw the post. The world is as it should be.

[LPPrince]

Ashley's romance is the one that kills me. I felt that it was pretty enjoyable in ME1, then of course ME2 happens, then in ME3 all of it is in the first half in a hospital room and then gone. Lame conclusion.

 

Tali's was far better. In ME1 you met her, in ME2 you got to know her better and realize feelings were there, and in ME3 it blossomed into a brilliant relationship.

[OhNoWhyHow]

I agree that Tali (and Garrus) had the best romances because they escalated over three games.  If this is the start of a new trilogy, I hope something similar is possible this time around.

[Lady Artifice]

A dark, dashing rogue version of Kaidan...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would actually like if some of the queer characters in MEA fall into roguish or brooding style archetypes. ME has the opposite problem as DA. Kaidan, Liara, Samantha, Steve, and Kelly were all on the nice, upstanding, goody two shoes side of the fence that has been so lacking in DA other than Josephine.

I'd rather DA have more nice, upstanding, goody two shoes characters and love interests rather than ME have less. 

[Lady Artifice]

Ashley's romance is the one that kills me. I felt that it was pretty enjoyable in ME1, then of course ME2 happens, then in ME3 all of it is in the first half in a hospital room and then gone. Lame conclusion.

 

Tali's was far better. In ME1 you met her, in ME2 you got to know her better and realize feelings were there, and in ME3 it blossomed into a brilliant relationship.

 

I felt like both Ashley and Kaidan started really strong in ME3, with romantic tension, and a sense of frustrated wanting, but then they kind of tapered after the citadel stand off scene. I think it became really hard for them to work it into much of the plot after that. 

[Steelcan]

Goody two shoes, dashing rogues, I don't much care at this point

 

as long as I get my blonde female warrior

[LPPrince]

I felt like both Ashley and Kaidan started really strong in ME3, with romantic tension, and a sense of frustrated wanting, but then they kind of tapered after the citadel stand off scene. I think it became really hard for them to work it into much of the plot after that. 

 

I don't know what happened there in development but that romance arc just fell flat.

 

I'm glad Tali's was so strong though. That one was fantastic in every degree barring the reveal that Tali looks like a photoshopped human being with human knuckles even though she has less fingers.

[Lady Artifice]

I'd rather DA have more nice, upstanding, goody two shoes characters and love interests rather than ME have less.

We know.

Personally, I hope for both types, but I don't think you have to worry too much. I think they're always going to try to include at least one companion who happens to fit your parameters, when it comes to having a moral backbone.

[The Loyal Nub]

We know. 

 

Personally, I hope for both types, but I don't think you have to worry too much. I think you're they're always going to try to include at least one companion who happens to fit your parameters, when it comes to having a moral backbone. 

 

And I kinda thought Josephine and Cass were pretty upstanding, wholesome, types in DAI. I mean I know Cass had her smutty fic thing but really it wasn't like she was sharing. 

[Lady Artifice]

Goody two shoes, dashing rogues, I don't much care at this point

 

as long as I get my blonde female warrior

 

Don't worry, we won't accuse you of caring. For now. 

 

Have some blondes. 

 

 

Do you like....

 

Dark blonde:

 

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platinum blonde:

 

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golden blonde:

 

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