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[Grieving Natashina]

You know, I'm sure you all think I'm ridiculous, but I actually like the heart and emotion icons. 

 

Oftentimes the synopsis is really bad, and my character will say something completely different than I expect them to. At least with a clue to the nature of the dialogue I know what to expect. And oftentimes, without the heart icon I would pick one of the other options simply because I preferred the phrasing and then I'd probably stupidly lock myself out of a romance. 

 

I am glad though that you can turn the icons off.

I don't think you're ridiculous.  I feel the same way, on all counts.  Like you, I'm glad that players have the option to toggle icons off.  

[Lady Luminous]

   

 

well then...

 

Am I wrong? I could have sworn it was somewhere in the options menu. Apologies if I'm sharing false information.

[Lady Luminous]

I don't think you're ridiculous.  I feel the same way, on all counts.  Like you, I'm glad that players have the option to toggle icons off.  

 

Totally missed the don't, and I was going to say "that's an interesting way to compliment someone, love."

[eyezonlyii]

Am I wrong? I could have sworn it was somewhere in the options menu. Apologies if I'm sharing false information.

oh no! you're probably right. 

 

the "shade" was your subtle (albiet seemingly unintentional way) of telling me that I didn't have to deal with the icons if I didn't want to, and being so uninformed as to not know this.

[Lady Luminous]

oh no! you're probably right. 

 

the "shade" was your subtle (albiet seemingly unintentional way) of telling me that I didn't have to deal with the icons if I didn't want to, and being so uninformed as to not know this.

 

Oh. Whoops. 

[eyezonlyii]

Oh. Whoops. 

haha. no it's all good. it made me laugh. It's even funnier because it was unintentional

[mopotter]

I don't like to make it a habit to say which has the best romances. Everyone have their own personal preferences and everyone think their romance is the best and I respect that. For me, Tali and Garrus belong to each other and Thane was too far-gone with his illness and I like that he's more at peace when his heart and soul is with his wife, Irikah. It feels off whenever I tried romancing each of them as Shepard seem to be the third-party. But whatever floats the boat.

 

I prefer a romance arc to work like an actual romance fiction arc; attraction, sexual tension, relationship conflicts, trust mechanics, drama etc. I do like the 2/2/2 idea (which really means four hetero and four queer romances)..... providing the head writers won't try to push you to their preferred LI _{*coughLiaracough*}

I also liked the companion romances.  Garrus and Tali; Ken and Gabby and I loved Aveline and Donnic.   I did like the Shepard/Garrus romance but I am quite happy to have them find love with another NPC if I'm checking out someone else.     I do hope they do this again and I also like the 2/2/2 ratio.    I also hope they don't try to push.  Liara, to me, was pushed quite a bit.  

[Lady Luminous]

I also liked the companion romances.  Garrus and Tali; Ken and Gabby and I loved Aveline and Donnic.   I did like the Shepard/Garrus romance but I am quite happy to have them find love with another NPC if I'm checking out someone else.     I do hope they do this again and I also like the 2/2/2 ratio.    I also hope they don't try to push.  Liara, to me, was pushed quite a bit.  

 

I still don't get why everyone goes crazy over Liara. *shrug* She's just not that alluring to me.

[AlexiaRevan]

I also liked the companion romances.  Garrus and Tali; Ken and Gabby and I loved Aveline and Donnic.   I did like the Shepard/Garrus romance but I am quite happy to have them find love with another NPC if I'm checking out someone else.     I do hope they do this again and I also like the 2/2/2 ratio.    I also hope they don't try to push.  Liara, to me, was pushed quite a bit.  

every charachter was pushed when you think about it . I wanted to be friend with kaidan and he end up as a Vromance and ask me to choose between him......and Liara....

[FemShem]

If you're a gay mShep or straight fShep, romance wasn't all too fair. The games really seemed to cater to straight mShep and lesbian fShep. (Or bisexual Shep of either gender.)

 

To avoid what happened with DA:I - which caused massive upset regarding the sudden shift of romance options - maybe romance can just be equally divvied up? Seems like, at the end of the day, that's what everyone would agree on. Well, almost everyone. I know there are people out there who would rather romances just play out in whatever capacity for the sake of the story. I respect that.

 

But in the end, more will agree that it kinda sucks when options are limited for certain heroes of certain orientations/genders.

When we had everyone as an option in DA2 everyone flipped, though I thought it was a great idea!

I don't think there is an ideal, unless it's 2-4 choices for everyone.

ME2 was lonely for my lesbian FemShep without an ME1 loaded.  Even if I wanted to go straight...well I just wasn't into alien rod (or word at all really)...ME2 fab game...no romance option for me at all.  

I see what you are saying, but ME3 and DA:I had the same kind of formula.  I think they'll follow it again.  Minimum two for everyone.  

One (only) gay male option, one lesbian option, one woman that swings, one guy that swings, one straight woman, one straight male (add-on optional of Solas who was added as story developed).

PC toon: Lesbian two options, gay male two options, straight woman two options any race (up to four if you were female elf), straight male two options.

[Lady Luminous]

When we had everyone as an option in DA2 everyone flipped, though I thought it was a great idea!

I don't think there is an ideal, unless it's 2-4 choices for everyone.

ME2 was lonely for my lesbian FemShep without an ME1 loaded.  Even if I wanted to go straight...well I just wasn't into alien rod (or word at all really)...ME2 fab game...no romance option for me at all.  

I see what you are saying, but ME3 and DA:I had the same kind of formula.  I think they'll follow it again.  Minimum two for everyone.  

One (only) gay male option, one lesbian option, one woman that swings, one guy that swings, one straight woman, one straight male (add-on optional of Solas who was added as story developed).

PC toon: Lesbian two options, gay male two options, straight woman two options any race (up to four if you were female elf), straight male two options.

 

For me, it just felt like it made the DA2 characters less complete, less real. It felt more like Hawke had a harem instead of a team. I like when they have preferences and don't necessarily care for you the way you care for them. 

 

I like the 2/2/2 idea, choices for everyone and hopefully there will be a good mix of races.

[FemShem]

For me, it just felt like it made the DA2 characters less complete, less real. It felt more like Hawke had a harem instead of a team. I like when they have preferences and don't necessarily care for you the way you care for them. 

 

I like the 2/2/2 idea, choices for everyone and hopefully there will be a good mix of races.

Oh wait, I see what you're saying from a RP perspective.  Yeah, I can see the harem thing now.  I just liked my two lesbian options, but I forgot it was a bit weird that EVERYONE was into you.

Fair point.  Yeah, I like my 2 options.  I do think (please don't shoot me) straight men should get 3 or 4 choices to everyone else's 2 since the represent more of the population.

That being said, many straight male gamers claim to not play the romance option.

Does anyone know the numbers of DA:I romance percentages or ME3 for that matter?

[Lady Luminous]

Oh wait, I see what you're saying from a RP perspective.  Yeah, I can see the harem thing now.  I just liked my two lesbian options, but I forgot it was a bit weird that EVERYONE was into you.

Fair point.  Yeah, I like my 2 options.  I do think (please don't shoot me) straight men should get 3 or 4 choices to everyone else's 2 since the represent more of the population.

That being said, many straight male gamers claim to not play the romance option.

Does anyone know the numbers of DA:I romance percentages or ME3 for that matter?

 

I don't think that's fair to other people though. It feels like treating other players as second class citizens... 

[mopotter]

That's why I love Kaidan, he's laid back and sincere but he also has his own thing going on and is an accomplished soldier and biotic.  He's not flashy, doesn't need to have sex with everything that isn't nailed down, and doesn't have a million witty one liners tucked away.  After a while that can get boring.  But as much as I enjoyed my romance with Kaidan, I wouldn't mind a clever dark type or a rough soldier (without the brofist bs_. Perhaps a renegade nerd like Mordin in ME2.

Kaidan is my 1st choice in romance.  

 

The only times I romancing anyone else, I have to leave Kaidan behind "because it was the right thing to do for that character".   Heartbreak because I usually started the romance and left Ilos till last possible moment.   I am a sucker for the Kaidan/Alistair//Cullen/Sky types.  Smart, kind, funny and very little drama.  And really, they have never bored me.    

 

Some of the others are great, but the good guy who has a sense of humor and is kind will always be the first choice in my games.  They always remind me of my husband.  

[SardaukarElite]

Does anyone know the numbers of DA:I romance percentages or ME3 for that matter?

 

I don't remember seeing any, so I suspect they haven't released them.

 

I do remember that ~50% of people didn't finish the game (DA or ME, it's roughly the same) and 5% of people didn't cure the genophage. So really, I don't think slanting the content inside of a field based on how many people played the equivalent in the last game leads to good places.

[daveliam]

Oh wait, I see what you're saying from a RP perspective.  Yeah, I can see the harem thing now.  I just liked my two lesbian options, but I forgot it was a bit weird that EVERYONE was into you.

 

By everyone, you mean five people in the entire city of Kirkwall and it's surrounding area, but sure......

 

Note:  Not even all of the LI's were bisexual, let alone all of the party members, let alone all of the characters.

 

Fair point.  Yeah, I like my 2 options.  I do think (please don't shoot me) straight men should get 3 or 4 choices to everyone else's 2 since the represent more of the population.

That being said, many straight male gamers claim to not play the romance option.

 

This seems contradictory.  If many straight male gamers claim to not play the romances, then why create more options just for them?  Who cares if there are more of them in the population at large since they are not (according to this statement) the majority of the audience for this content......?

 

Does anyone know the numbers of DA:I romance percentages or ME3 for that matter?

 

I've not seen for any of the games since DA: O.  In that game (which is well over 5 years old now), Leliana was the most 'popular' romance.  Followed by Morrigan, I think.  But that doesn't tell us who were playing those characters.  For example, one could say, "Well, Leliana is an option for straight males, so let's add more straight male options", but I romanced Leliana and I'm a gay male and I did it with a lady dwarf, so.......It's not really telling of anything, really.

 

I would love to see the romance numbers for DA: I.

[SolNebula]

I hope this won't be the case because I love romances in BW games and like everyone I have my preferences and expectations......but looking how romance threads are becoming with the passing of each year I wouldn't be surprised if at some point BW just tell a big "F. you!" to all of us. I don't know how writers deal with all of this. Not only creating interesting and cool looking characters but also balancing their sexual orientations to appease every thinkable orientation its customers might have. It's certainly not easy to be a liberal developer.

 

I start to feel pity for BW, so dear BW devs in case you read this, please ignore all of us (especially my previous posts) and write what the heck you want the way you want. I don't want to make your already difficult work a nightmare. I don't care anymore about sexual orientations and quotas even if done against my preferences. Do what you wish with all your heart and it should be fine by me.

 

Thank you.

 

A grown up customer.

[In Exile]

By everyone, you mean five people in the entire city of Kirkwall and it's surrounding area, but sure......

 

Note:  Not even all of the LI's were bisexual, let alone all of the party members, let alone all of the characters.

 

 

This seems contradictory.  If many straight male gamers claim to not play the romances, then why create more options just for them?  Who cares if there are more of them in the population at large since they are not (according to this statement) the majority of the audience for this content......?

 

 

I've not seen for any of the games since DA: O.  In that game (which is well over 5 years old now), Leliana was the most 'popular' romance.  Followed by Morrigan, I think.  But that doesn't tell us who were playing those characters.  For example, one could say, "Well, Leliana is an option for straight males, so let's add more straight male options", but I romanced Leliana and I'm a gay male and I did it with a lady dwarf, so.......It's not really telling of anything, really.

 

I would love to see the romance numbers for DA: I.

 

I wouldn't look too much to the Leliana figure given how messed up the triggers for her romance turned out. I had her go balistic on a character once when there was no possibility of a romance because of the ninjamance mechanics. 

[daveliam]

I wouldn't look too much to the Leliana figure given how messed up the triggers for her romance turned out. I had her go balistic on a character once when there was no possibility of a romance because of the ninjamance mechanics. 

 

That's a really good point.  I actually 'romanced' Leliana in a canon game, now that I think of it.  And that was fully unintentional as he only had eyes for Zevran.

 

Zev, on the other hand, was blocked behind multiple, "Are you sure?  I mean, really sure?" dialogue options. 

[In Exile]

That's a really good point.  I actually 'romanced' Leliana in a canon game, now that I think of it.  And that was fully unintentional as he only had eyes for Zevran.

 

Zev, on the other hand, was blocked behind multiple, "Are you sure?  I mean, really sure?" dialogue options. 

 

"If you click yes, we're doing to do dick stuff. With our dicks. Because I am a man."

 

Although the number of people that missed the point of that massage dialogue...

 

I kind of what to know who listens to that and thinks "This is 100% platonic. Like how I often share baby oil massages with my male friends."

[daveliam]

Have we ever seen any evidence that the developers are being 'forced' to write romances to fill quotas?  I mean, we've seen multiple interviews from several staff members across different IPs talk about how they want to do this, but have we ever seen even a single writer say that they are forced to do it?  I guess you could spin some of Gaiders comments, if taken acontextually, to mean this, but that's all I can think of. 

 

I just find it amusing how people seem to think that the Bioware writers are chained to desks and whipped unless they write X# of gay romances when every piece of evidence that we have suggests it's the opposite. 

[daveliam]

I kind of what to know who listens to that and thinks "This is 100% platonic. Like how I often share baby oil massages with my male friends."

 

Probably the same ones who listened to Kaidan's "Losing you was like losing a limb" speech in ME2 and thought, "That's absolutely not the dialogue of a bisexual man.  At all."

[mopotter]

Yeah, I wasn't interested in Jack as an LI either way, because she just seemed like a really damaged person that just needed a push in the right direction, but I was hoping that Shepard could be more of a friend and mentor, and then it hits that stupid wall. 

I played a lot of games before romancing Jack with a paragon Shepard and I was very surprised at how much I enjoyed it.  Jack ended up being one of my favorite characters and romances.  

 

I do wish they would work on the friendship route more with characters that can also be romanced.  

[SolNebula]

Have we ever seen any evidence that the developers are being 'forced' to write romances to fill quotas?  I mean, we've seen multiple interviews from several staff members across different IPs talk about how they want to do this, but have we ever seen even a single writer say that they are forced to do it?  I guess you could spin some of Gaiders comments, if taken acontextually, to mean this, but that's all I can think of. 

 

I just find it amusing how people seem to think that the Bioware writers are chained to desks and whipped unless they write X# of gay romances when every piece of evidence that we have suggests it's the opposite. 

 

Well they have a reputation of liberal-friendly developer. Nobody forces them to write characters to appease every orientation BUT everyone expects them to do so....so in a way they are "forced" to do so and to at least take in consideration how to include every sensibility. IMO expectations are a nightmare for a creative mind so considering all this I want them to know "feel free to write what you want". That's it.

[SardaukarElite]

I just find it amusing how people seem to think that the Bioware writers are chained to desks and whipped unless they write X# of gay romances when every piece of evidence that we have suggests it's the opposite. 

 

Forum consensus seems to be that BioWare can't actually think for themselves. Gameplay decisions are all made by EA who are dumbing things down to make a quick buck. Story decisions that don't involve rape and desire demons are about appeasing minorities. The appearances of women are entirely motivated by not offending feminists.

 

The exception being David Gaider who is trying to martyr the studio for his own agenda.