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So... Can Romance Be A Little More Fair This Time?


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Vilio1

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I just hope BWare reigns in the writers on MEA so we don't have another Mac Walters/Liara debacle seriously we get it you love Liara but you need to be considerate of the fans your not writing this just for your enjoyment so you can't decide to steam roll the other LIs in favor of your favored LI.


You know that Mac Walters favorite characters are Garrus, Aria and the Illusive Man, yes? He said so in multiple interviews.
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I know that people say Kaidan is boring, but I don't care.  I love that guy.  He's my favorite m/m romance in any Bioware game. 
 
That being said, I like Lady Artifice's idea of the m/m option being more 'scoundrel' like this time.  They need to swap options between the DA type (promiscuous, flirty, scoundrels, rogues) and the ME type (nice but 'boring' guys).  Give us the Jack Harness for MEA and the nice guy in the next DA game.
 
Also shout out to Hadeedak for the gaylien reference.  I'm telling you, it's going to catch on..... ;)


Space Remy Lebeau, please. Charming and roguish and a little extroverted.

I'm also hoping for a character with story significance. Someone with a crucial role in the plot.
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Space Remy Lebeau, please. Charming and roguish and a little extroverted.

I'm also hoping for a character with story significance. Someone with a crucial role in the plot.

 

I so misread that as Space Ramsey  :lol:


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Space Remy Lebeau, please. Charming and roguish and a little extroverted.

I'm also hoping for a character with story significance. Someone with a crucial role in the plot.

 

Just make him Drell and I'm over the moon.


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#1330
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Vega should have been a bisexual LI. He was Shepard's biggest fan although he did tone the fanboyism down after Fehl Prime. So much potential...


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If you're a gay mShep or straight fShep, romance wasn't all too fair. The games really seemed to cater to straight mShep and lesbian fShep. (Or bisexual Shep of either gender.)

 

To avoid what happened with DA:I - which caused massive upset regarding the sudden shift of romance options - maybe romance can just be equally divvied up? Seems like, at the end of the day, that's what everyone would agree on. Well, almost everyone. I know there are people out there who would rather romances just play out in whatever capacity for the sake of the story. I respect that.

 

But in the end, more will agree that it kinda sucks when options are limited for certain heroes of certain orientations/genders.

 

Personally, I prefer fixed character writing over having equal romance options. I agree on more straight female romances though. I don't mean to be exclusionary or anything, it's just that, realistically, if ten people are in a room, are four going to be straight, four gay, and two Bisexual?



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Personally, I prefer fixed character writing over having equal romance options. I agree on more straight female romances though. I don't mean to be exclusionary or anything, it's just that, realistically, if ten people are in a room, are four going to be straight, four gay, and two Bisexual?


Possibly. Within the context of the setting, It's certainly more likely odds than finding a Turian, a Krogan, and a Quarian on the same ship, in the same team.

Just imagine if they were to throw in the last Prothean in the universe and something like...I don't know, the actual Shadow broker. Then the matter of balanced variations in sexuality within a group would seem positively trival.
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#1333
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Improbable odds are the bread and butter of the Bioware companion paradigm, and it goes well outside of sexualities.

The HoF might have traveled with a future King, the future Divine, the daughter of a legend who's actually a god (posibly destined to inherit the soul of a god herself), the future Arishok, one of the only two truly sentient golems we've ever seen, the only possessed mage we've ever found who wasn't corrupted by the spirit inside, and an assassin capable of of successfully antagonizing an entire league of other assasins.

Variety of sexual orientations is a weird place to stop suspending disbelief.
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I like the idea that gay women were "catered to' in the Mass Effect series, but straight women really got the shaft (so to speak). There are, what, two total romances for F/F in the series that actually unlock the Paramour achievements? Liara and Samantha. Meanwhile, straight females have four: Kaiden, Jacob, Garrus, and Thane. Straight Males get 5: Liara, Ashley, Jack (sigh, Jack), Tali, and Miranda.) Gay males get 2, but they both come in ME3 so despite having the same number as gay females, they clearly have it the worst. 


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I like the idea that gay women were "catered to' in the Mass Effect series, but straight women really got the shaft (so to speak). There are, what, two total romances for F/F in the series that actually unlock the Paramour achievements? Liara and Samantha. Meanwhile, straight females have four: Kaiden, Jacob, Garrus, and Thane. Straight Males get 5: Liara, Ashley, Jack (sigh, Jack), Tali, and Miranda.) Gay males get 2, but they both come in ME3 so despite having the same number as gay females, they clearly have it the worst. 

I'm tired of these numbers being thrown out without context, in a fresh ME3 game, MShep gets Ashley, Liara, Kaidan, and Cortez available, FemShep has Kaidan, Traynor, and Liara available (plus that borderline date rape of James in Citadel and Javik). 

 

its only with imports that numbers get skewed because admittedly FemShep got the short end of the stick there



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romance? fair?  lol

 

All is fair in love and war ;)



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I can understand why someone would say Miranda is boring (I disagree, but I can see why), but Jack...boring :P?

 

Anyone who thinks Miranda is boring wasn't paying attention.


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I'm tired of these numbers being thrown out without context, in a fresh ME3 game, MShep gets Ashley, Liara, Kaidan, and Cortez available, FemShep has Kaidan, Traynor, and Liara available (plus that borderline date rape of James in Citadel and Javik). 

 

its only with imports that numbers get skewed because admittedly FemShep got the short end of the stick there

Considering it was written as a trilogy, it seems strange to just call out the last third of it. I understand that they had to make it accessible to people who are just picking the game up, but since it was written as a trilogy it should really be discussed as one. After MEA comes out and we have this discussion for Mass Effect 5 (provided MEA is a stand alone game), I think it's fair to do the numbers for the Mass Effect Trilogy, and then separately for MEA. Just like it's fair to do the numbers for DA:O, DA2, and DA:I separately.  


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#1339
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I felt romances were pretty fair in ME3, 3 options for straight guys, 2 for same sex men, 3 for same sex women, 2 for straight women.

Romances really needn't be that big a feature. I'd rather have 1 really solid romance for each rather than multiple watered down ones.

 

Except that straight women could potentially end up with no romance options if they saved Ashley in ME1 and didn't romance Garrus in ME3, whereas MShep has one guaranteed straight option and one guaranteed gay option in ME3

 

Also there are five not three options for straight MShep in ME3, Ashley, Liara, Tali, Miranda and Jack and none of MShep's love interests cheat on him or have a non-preventable death



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Except that straight women could potentially end up with no romance options if they saved Ashley in ME1 and didn't romance Garrus in ME3, whereas MShep has one guaranteed straight option and one guaranteed gay option in ME3

 

Also there are five not three options for straight MShep in ME3, Ashley, Liara, Tali, Miranda and Jack and none of MShep's love interests cheat on him or have a non-preventable death

three of those have to have been romanced in ME2 to be available in ME3



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What? watta mean it was catering more to lesbian ? 

 

As a lesbian in ME1 I get liara , Hetero get liara and Ashley and femhetero get kaidan . 

In ME2 , I get liara , Samara while Dude hetero get Liara , Samara , Miranda and Jack as well as Tali . 

ME3 I get Liara , samara and Traynor . Dude Get Liara , Samara , Jack and Miranda and Tali 

 

It catered more to lesbians than it did to straight women. You have two guaranteed options in ME3, in ME3 straight women can end up with no romance options whatsoever if they saved Ashley in ME1 and either didn't romance anyone in ME2 or romanced someone other than Garrus.



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As far as romances... well, actual romance, one character of each sex with multiple storylines would do just fine in my opinion. Then really there are only two romantic interests, but say six story lines for each, 12 stories. Doable?

 

Yes, but people like a variety regarding romance partners. If Bioware went down the route of one of each sex with multiple storylines they most likely would only have human romances and not everyone is interested in humans



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really ? 

 

You get cortez in ME3 no , and I get Traynor . Cortez fly around with you while Traynor is stuck forever at the CIC.... <_<

 

You do realise that MShep had no gay options until ME3 don't you whilst lesbian FemShep was catered to from the first game?



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He/She/it cheats on you with half the ship? He/she/it gives you space aids? I don't know, there are plenty of possibilities. 

 

Isn't it implied you could get scale itch from one of the romance options in ME2/3?



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Scale itc- what?



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I'm still waiting for Bioware to implement the opportunity for your playable character to actually make the conscious decision to cheat on their love interest and see where that goes.

 

Uh you CAN cheat on your love interest in ME3. You can shag in the shower with Traynor whilst after smooching Garrus in the main battery or being in a romance with Liara (G doesn't say anything but Liara is pissed with you).

 

I'm not sure if this takes place before Kaidan rejoins the ship or not so I can't say if he remarks on it.



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I know that people say Kaidan is boring, but I don't care.  I love that guy.  He's my favorite m/m romance in any Bioware game.


I couldn't agree more, broShep-Kaidan is the only the videogame romance thingy that I've genuinely enjoyed.

Some people didn't like the wait until ME3 but that pacing is what made it so good imo:

 

ME: You go from coworkers, to friends, to really good friends.

ME2: Losing you was like losing a limb.

ME3: The world ends, **** regulations.

 

The arc as a whole felt a lot more real than the 4 lines of dialog and we'll bang OK other Bioware-style romances consist of.

 

It is also a good example of why I'm so against "equality" checklists and quotas for characters, if they used those during Mass Effect my favourite space husbando story wouldn't even exist.

EDIT: Why is "h0m0" censored?  :huh: Biower pls.


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I liked the hospital scenes too but afterward it was as if Ashley didn't exist.

 

Then again, it didn't feel like she was the Ashley that Shepard loved in ME1 so I was happy to stick with Tali.

 

Her ME1 writer left after ME2 came out (I heard he left halfway through the development of ME3) and it seemed her ME3 writer didn't understand her character. Oh and Bioware turned her into a Bimbo Barbie with guns


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Scale itc- what?

Scale itch is a varren only STD, its semi implied by mordin that kelly in ME2 brought it on board if you speak to her later even if its not outright said.



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Scale itch is a varren only STD, its semi implied by mordin that kelly in ME2 brought it on board if you speak to her later even if its not outright said.

 

Ouch