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[Grieving Natashina]

Ouch

Er, Mordin never implies that Kelly brought it on board.  As far as talking to Kelly, she only gives the "I love everyone" speech, and folks were quick to assume that means she loves varren in a sexual way.  I never saw Mordin "heavily imply" that Kelly was the one that brought it on board.  He only mentions that it was brought on board somehow and that the implications "were..unpleasant."  

 

I always got that speech after I recruited Grunt, so take that as you will.  I'm sure it's random, but I only get that conversation after Grunt is out of the tank.  

 

That's where one of the fan assumptions that Kelly brought it on board came from.   I've seen a much better theory:

 

[Gkonone]

I'm assuming they mostly go by supply and demand here, so to speak, meaning that the games are mostly targeted at a straight male audience (as with most games).

Not saying that's a good or bad thing (although I think it's a bad thing), just assuming that's the reasoning behind the choices they made.

 

I also assume that whenever a game is being made they'll think about their biggest target audience first and weigh in the costs of including other target audiences (time vs reward).

I do support more diversity though in the romances, hopefully they'll get around to doing it in the next game. Whether they will remains to be seen, if my assumptions have any basis in reality, I don't think they will though.

 

What I found interesting was that quite a lot of hetero guys (small sample size still, I know) played a Femshep because they liked the voice actress more or wanted to try something different.

Long story short, the demand (or cost vs reward) might not be big enough for Bioware to expand more on diversifying relationship options.

[LPPrince]

Uh you CAN cheat on your love interest in ME3. You can shag in the shower with Traynor whilst after smooching Garrus in the main battery or being in a romance with Liara (G doesn't say anything but Liara is pissed with you).

 

I'm not sure if this takes place before Kaidan rejoins the ship or not so I can't say if he remarks on it.

 

I played as a male Shepard so I wouldn't know about that. Besides, I don't mean some silly "technical" way of cheating. I mean it being an actual thing thats acknowledged in game and promoted by the character you're cheating on someone with. The third wheel being all for it and such.

 

Adds a negative character element that I think would be interesting to portray in a "hero". 

[Jester]

That could mean figuratively, like you, as a player, will fall in love with them as characters, not you, the character, falls in love with your teammate, romantically.

It can't. The context is that you work with, learn from, fight along side with and fall in love with. Obviously you as a physical person cannot fight alongside your companions or work with them, so everything points to the fact, that player's character will be doing those things.

Which means that romances are confirmed. 

[LPPrince]

I was never comfortable with people reacting to Kelly in such a way, assuming she was promiscuous or worse, that she fornicated with animals.

 

If anything I always assumed Kelly was pansexual and I don't see the problem with that. But apparently that went beyond the comprehension of the majority and they took solace in picking on her.

 

Real reflective of today's society and its treatment of people that don't rigidly fall into either heterosexual or homosexual labels.

[LPPrince]

Her ME1 writer left after ME2 came out (I heard he left halfway through the development of ME3) and it seemed her ME3 writer didn't understand her character. Oh and Bioware turned her into a Bimbo Barbie with guns

 

Her ME1 writer explained that Ashley didn't harbor hatred towards alien races and was not a racist, going into detail about her thought processes, where they came from, why she was affected in that way, and how it could've been portrayed better in game.

 

That apparently was completely lost on later games. *metaphorical table flip*

[RevilFox]

Er, Mordin never implies that Kelly brought it on board.  As far as talking to Kelly, she only gives the "I love everyone" speech, and folks were quick to assume that means she loves varren in a sexual way.  I never saw Mordin "heavily imply" that Kelly was the one that brought it on board.  He only mentions that it was brought on board somehow and that the implications "were..unpleasant."  

 

I always got that speech after I recruited Grunt, so take that as you will.  I'm sure it's random, but I only get that conversation after Grunt is out of the tank.  

 

That's where one of the fan assumptions that Kelly brought it on board came from.   I've seen a much better theory:

 

Is it just me, or does it kind of look like Tali is wearing Ballet Heels in this picture?

 

On an unrelated note, I fully support Ballet Heels in MEA. 

[Dobbysaurus]

Everyone would need to be a hermaphrodite for it to be fair. Including animals. 

[Artemis_Entrari]

I found DA2's version unrealistic.  What are the odds that a big portion of the people you know turn out to be bisexual?  I know, I know.  Fantasy setting doesn't need to be completely "realistic".  But it just seemed dumb.

 

Pick certain characters who are only one thing and run with it.

[Aimi]

You do realise that MShep had no gay options until ME3 don't you whilst lesbian FemShep was catered to from the first game?

Yeah, gay broshep players got the worst end of the deal, and if anybody deserves to have better representation, they do. Still, I think it's a little bizarre to claim that lesbian Shep was 'catered to'.

Straight Shep was guaranteed one romance in ME1 (Kaidan) and three romances in ME2 (Garrus, Thane, and Jacob); she could potentially miss out on any romance content in ME3 if she didn't have a preexisting relationship with Garrus and if Kaidan didn't survive, but both of those relationships still, y'know, existed. Meanwhile, lesbian Shep didn't have anything in ME2 except for the Liara bits in LotSB (pay-for-gay!) and that only if she had a preexisting Liara relationship. One might well compare those to the parts of Citadel that allowed the...whatever-it-was with Javik or Vega. As bad as ME3's romance situation could potentially be for a straight player, ME2's was worse for a gay one.

And there are vocal criticisms of both Liara and Traynor from within the community of gay players, like complaints of how Traynor placed herself in a sexual situation with broshep, or complaints of how Liara's romance was basically a copypasta version of the broshep-banging-blue-space-babe stuff rather than something special in its own right. Whether one agrees with these complaints or not, describing lesbian players as 'catered to' in this particular circumstance seems silly.

I think it's ridiculous for us to yell at each other over which of us has a better situation when frankly they're both pretty similar: straight players had a worse time of it in ME3, lesbian players had a worse time of it in ME2, and both of us had it better off than gay broshep players and significantly worse than straight broshep and his army of waifus.

[Lady Artifice]

Was four people a big portion of everyone Hawke knew?

Huh, they needed to get out more.

[Grieving Natashina]

So, the player knowing 4 people that was bisexual out of a group of 7 was "unrealistic?"  The dragons, the demons, the blood mages, red lyrium, the Qunari, were all realistic enough, right?  Folks can post that until their fingers are bruised and it will always sound incredibly selective to me.  The line is drawn...there?  Elves, demons, dwarves, werewolves, undead, magic mirrors, that's fine.  Having 4 people all know each other that are bisexual is too much?  I guess I'll let some of my friends know, because clearly aren't "realistic" enough for such a fantasy game. 

 

David Gaider, back in 2013, said that having LGBT+ content and romances in their games does not affect sales whatsoever.  It doesn't help or hurt them, and the company does enjoy including them.  The only reason why they went with having four bisexual LIs in DA2 was because they wanted to include romances, but didn't have the time nor the budget to have different sexualities.  The only exception to this was Sebastian, and he was a DLC character.  They've said time and time and time again that they are not going to go back to that since they have the resources to do more in games down the road.  

 

So if anyone is worried about having 4 people in the party that are bisexuals, well they can relax.  ME:A has had a lot of development time, so I see no reason why they would take that route here either.  

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

 not everyone is interested in humans

 

That's a little worrisome...

[Panda]

EDIT: Why is "h0m0" censored?   Biower pls.

 

I have wondered same, there is no reason to ban that word and it's pretty scientific too needed in words like homogenous and ****** sapiens. But then again I don't understand why this forum bans words in the first place

[RevilFox]

So, the player knowing 4 people that was bisexual out of a group of 7 was "unrealistic?"  The dragons, the demons, the blood mages, red lyrium, the Qunari, were all realistic enough, right?  Folks can post that until their fingers are bruised and it will always sound incredibly selective to me.  The line is drawn...there?  Elves, demons, dwarves, werewolves, undead, magic mirrors, that's fine.  Having 4 people all know each other that are bisexual is too much?  I guess I'll let some of my friends know, because clearly aren't "realistic" enough for such a fantasy game. 

 

David Gaider, back in 2013, said that having LGBT+ content and romances in their games does not affect sales whatsoever.  It doesn't help or hurt them, and the company does enjoy including them.  The only reason why they went with having four bisexual LIs in DA2 was because they wanted to include romances, but didn't have the time nor the budget to have different sexualities.  The only exception to this was Sebastian, and he was a DLC character.  They've said time and time and time again that they are not going to go back to that since they have the resources to do more in games down the road.  

 

So if anyone is worried about having 4 people in the party that are bisexuals, well they can relax.  ME:A has had a lot of development time, so I see no reason why they would take that route here either.  

Even ignoring the fantasy/future aspect of it...I had more gay women at my wedding than any other group. If I had to go on an adventure to save the galaxy and bring along seven friends, chances are pretty good they'd almost all be lesbians. So it's not like a person who happens to know more bisexual people than straight people is such an insane idea.

[dgcatanisiri]

I found DA2's version unrealistic.  What are the odds that a big portion of the people you know turn out to be bisexual?  I know, I know.  Fantasy setting doesn't need to be completely "realistic".  But it just seemed dumb.

 

Pick certain characters who are only one thing and run with it.

 

It's called 'safety in numbers.'

 

Seriously, if your suspension of disbelief will accept dragons, magic, aliens, faster than light travel, elves and dwarves, and ancient immortal cuttlefish aliens, but stops at 'four bisexuals in a single band of friends,' then I assure you, the problem is not on their end.

[LPPrince]

Was four people a big portion of everyone Hawke knew?

Huh, they needed to get out more.

 

Yeah, because they were the only ones Hawke could romance and they all just so happened to be bisexual while the people not interested in Hawke were of other sexualities. It was bizarre and the point was brought up many a time post-DA2 pre-Inquisition by maaany people.

 

Bisexuality depicted in a game shouldn't feel forced or artificial. No sexuality should. Sexuality is a real thing and it hits home for everyone in some way or another;lets depict a range of sexualities instead of defaulting to one as a "catch all". That isn't fair to bisexuality or those who are bisexual. They aren't a net that can catch anyone, and anyone can't just catch them.

 

That wasn't Bioware's intent, but it felt odd to me anyway. I much preferred Inquisition's featuring of multiple sexualities for romantic partners. That was great. I only played once due to the length of the game but if I was so inclined to romance more than one person I'd of rolled different characters to do it and thats wonderful. Multiple perspectives, respect goes to everyone.

[Gorwath-F]

I request romances with the following orientation

 

- heterosexual

- homosexual

- bi

- pansexual

- omnisexual

- hypersexual

- robosexual

- cybersexual

- aviansexual

- Shepard-sexual

- fairsexual (assumes whatever sexual identity is least represented by the crew)

 

Each one with an exclusive character of course. I won't be buying the 50$ game otherwise. Gameplay and story suck for Bioware titles nowadays, romances are the only reason I even bother playing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I request romances with the following orientation

 

- heterosexual

- homosexual

- bi

- pansexual

- omnisexual

- hypersexual

- robosexual

- cybersexual

- aviansexual

- Shepard-sexual

- fairsexual (assumes whatever sexual identity is least represented by the crew)

 

Each one with an exclusive character of course. I won't be buying the 50$ game otherwise. Gameplay and story suck for Bioware titles nowadays, romances are the only reason I even bother playing.

No demisexual or asexual? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Er, Mordin never implies that Kelly brought it on board.  As far as talking to Kelly, she only gives the "I love everyone" speech, and folks were quick to assume that means she loves varren in a sexual way.  I never saw Mordin "heavily imply" that Kelly was the one that brought it on board.  He only mentions that it was brought on board somehow and that the implications "were..unpleasant."  

 

I always got that speech after I recruited Grunt, so take that as you will.  I'm sure it's random, but I only get that conversation after Grunt is out of the tank.  

 

That's where one of the fan assumptions that Kelly brought it on board came from.   I've seen a much better theory:

 

*snip*

Yeah, the game never implies Kelly was the one who had it. In fact Kelly is the only LI in ME2 you don't have sex with, or rather it is left ambiguous. 

 

Personally I think it is Jack who brought it. We know she has a thing for casual sex and adopts a Varren later. 

[KaiserShep]

No demisexual or asexual? 

There's apparently a "greysexual", which is basically "only occasionally experiences sexual attraction". Those labels tho.

[LPPrince]

There's apparently a "greysexual", which is basically "only occasionally experiences sexual attraction". Those labels tho.

 

Okay, all these new labels are getting confusing. There's a million of them now. I'm still trying to wrap my head around otherkin.

[KaiserShep]

I know some people who would qualify as otherkin. I'm just not convinced that they evolved on the same path the rest of us did. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I know some people who would qualify as otherkin. I'm just not convinced that they evolved on the same path the rest of us did. 

Otakukin.  That's even weirder.  Someone that thinks they have the soul of an anime character.  I'd rather talk to someone that thinks they have the soul of a wolf or something.

[Steelcan]

Otakukin.  That's even weirder.  Someone that thinks they have the soul of an anime character.  I'd rather talk to someone that thinks they have the soul of a wolf or something.

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