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[Jorji Costava]

I'd rather they have no romances at all.

 

If they insist on having them the best choice would probably be to make every romanceable character available to everyone. If this doesn't happen in the name of ''realism'' then why is there such an absurd proportion of non-hetero characters in the world?

 

I know I've mentioned this in a previous thread, but since these conversations have a way of being cyclical, I figure there's no harm in repeating myself: If you're genuinely concerned about your party composition not reflecting real-world demographics, then the real concern should be the relative paucity of companions or even NPCs who are of East or South Asian descent. In 2011, National Geographic concluded that the most typical person in the world is a 28-year-old Han Chinese male; by 2030, however, India will overtake China as the world's most populous country. If the concern really is just about demographic realism, then this, rather than a relative over-representation of LGBT persons, should be the main issue on the table.

[BabyPuncher]

I know I've mentioned this in a previous thread, but since these conversations have a way of being cyclical, I figure there's no harm in repeating myself: If you're genuinely concerned about your party composition not reflecting real-world demographics, then the real concern should be the relative paucity of companions or even NPCs who are of East or South Asian descent. In 2011, National Geographic concluded that the most typical person in the world is a 28-year-old Han Chinese male; by 2030, however, India will overtake China as the world's most populous country. If the concern really is just about demographic realism, then this, rather than a relative over-representation of LGBT persons, should be the main issue on the table.

 

That's a bit of an unfair simplification.

 

This is a story set in space. It's not something all peoples of the Earth are going to have equal access to. It's not far-fetched to imagine that starships and colonies and such would be funded and populated overwhelmingly by western powers.

[Panda]

That's a bit of an unfair simplification.

 

This is a story set in space. It's not something all peoples of the Earth are going to have equal access to. It's not far-fetched to imagine that starships and colonies and such would be funded and populated overwhelmingly by western powers.

 

China is currently second largest economy in the world (depends on measurement, can be measured largest or third largest too) and is rising faster than others so that also supports Han-Chinese spacers.

[Jorji Costava]

That's a bit of an unfair simplification.

 

This is a story set in space. It's not something all peoples of the Earth are going to have equal access to. It's not far-fetched to imagine that starships and colonies and such would be funded and populated overwhelmingly by western powers.

 

So I don't want to go into too much of a tangent here (seeing as I am no population expert), but this itself may be the oversimplification. Two of the three largest economies in the world are in Asia (China and Japan). Outside of the International Space Station, China has the only substantial space station program in the world. Meanwhile, with immigration and population growth patterns being what they are, it's not even clear that Western powers will be white majority nations 100 years from now, so yes, I still find it pretty hard to believe that the only people who will be able to afford to go to space in ME's future are overwhelmingly white.

[OhNoWhyHow]

My point had more to do with the fact that not everyone who criticizes the scene is getting worked up in the first place.

I'm in the camp that thinks Hawke probably should have had one or two alternate refusal dialogue options, something gentler or something for a Hawke of either sex to say that they aren't interested in men, even if that still were to net rivalry. That doesn't necessarily mean that I care a great deal, just that I understand some of the criticism.


I personally liked that he reacts that way as well. I really do think that it works for him. If anything, it's how limited Hawke's dialogue options were that I'd take issue with.

 

That wasn't really directed at you specifically.  It was more directed at the people who did get upset because "Bioware forces me to flirt with a dude or be punished" which is the subtext behind a lot of the 10 rivalry points thing.

[In Exile]

That's a bit of an unfair simplification.

 

This is a story set in space. It's not something all peoples of the Earth are going to have equal access to. It's not far-fetched to imagine that starships and colonies and such would be funded and populated overwhelmingly by western powers.

 

A hundred+ years in the future, it's a pretty huge leap to assume that the "western powers" will be those countries with the resources and money to pull it off. IRL, the US just scrapped most of its exploration program. The leaders on this front are now decidedly not western. 

[OhNoWhyHow]

A hundred+ years in the future, it's a pretty huge leap to assume that the "western powers" will be those countries with the resources and money to pull it off. IRL, the US just scrapped most of its exploration program. The leaders on this front are now decidedly not western. 

 

This is why nobody would want me as president.  I would scrap 9/10 of our stupid entitlement and military spending and dump it into space exploration and various other research/science programs

 

/Thread derailment and political ranting.

[Dan De'lion]

I used to like the 2/2/2 plan (and I'm not against it. I enjoyed DA:I romance) but I wouldn't mind there being less options if they were more intricate to the story line.  What if there were only 3 options: 1 straight female, 1 lesbian/gay female, and 1 bisexual male. Is that still fair? it has diversity and equal options (1). Do people think less options mean they'd be more significant or is that just wishful thinking?

[BabyPuncher]

A hundred+ years in the future, it's a pretty huge leap to assume that the "western powers" will be those countries with the resources and money to pull it off. IRL, the US just scrapped most of its exploration program. The leaders on this front are now decidedly not western. 

 

I realize there's no end of terrified speculation that China or whoever is going to conquer the world, but that's hardly a reflection of reality.

[dgcatanisiri]

I used to like the 2/2/2 plan (and I'm not against it. I enjoyed DA:I romance) but I wouldn't mind there being less options if they were more intricate to the story line.  What if there were only 3 options: 1 straight female, 1 lesbian/gay female, and 1 bisexual male. Is that still fair? it has diversity and equal options (1). Do people think less options mean they'd be more significant or is that just wishful thinking?

 

I don't think that would work at all. At least on my end, as a gay player, I got really sick of the 'you get one option or nothing' thing a long time ago (because in Jade Empire and DAO, that's all there was, one option for a same-sex romance, while straight males could pick between Dawn Star and Silk Fox in JE or Morrigan and Leliana in DAO), but the thing is, ultimately, what makes the romances work is connection. That usually comes down to who you as the player connect to emotionally, and it's really difficult to have one romance option fit all comers. At least with at least two options for everyone, there's a better chance of that working for everyone. Still not perfect, since that's what happened with me and Inquisition, but still better odds.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I used to like the 2/2/2 plan (and I'm not against it. I enjoyed DA:I romance) but I wouldn't mind there being less options if they were more intricate to the story line.  What if there were only 3 options: 1 straight female, 1 lesbian/gay female, and 1 bisexual male. Is that still fair? it has diversity and equal options (1). Do people think less options mean they'd be more significant or is that just wishful thinking?

 

No, I don't really see the purpose of making a lesbian LI but then forcing straight women and gay men to share one romance. If you changed it four and dropped the bisexual guy for a straight guy and a gay guy, then yeah, I would be ok with it. I'd still prefer 2/2/2, but 1/1/1/1 wouldn't be terrible.

[RevilFox]

I honestly liked how DA:I did it. 2/2/2 and then two additional once they realized they had more resources than they thought they would. While the two additional romances were both for straight women, which does nothing for me personally, I like that the two additional were chosen because they made sense in context. I have no problem not getting 'bonus' romances so long as the characters stay internally consistent. 

[Agent69]

I'm hoping there is a female human option who is relatively normal in appearance and personality. The aliens and Jack were not my cup of tea but it's hard to complain when people with other perferences got even less options.

[KaiserShep]

A hundred+ years in the future, it's a pretty huge leap to assume that the "western powers" will be those countries with the resources and money to pull it off. IRL, the US just scrapped most of its exploration program. The leaders on this front are now decidedly not western.

Praise be to Papua New Guinea, the next superpower of the world. Long may she reign.

[karushna5]

I used to like the 2/2/2 plan (and I'm not against it. I enjoyed DA:I romance) but I wouldn't mind there being less options if they were more intricate to the story line.  What if there were only 3 options: 1 straight female, 1 lesbian/gay female, and 1 bisexual male. Is that still fair? it has diversity and equal options (1). Do people think less options mean they'd be more significant or is that just wishful thinking?

 

personally, I like 2/2/2 due to its overall fairness, but 1/1/1 may work if it is switched out and not the norm, and extra options albeit however minor were directed toward that group. Diana allers/Kelley/the consort/Samara being the equivelent if the guy was Bisexual, with at least one straight and another gay to ease the hurt of not haveing a unique option or similiar.

 

But yeah if we only have 6 crew mates again (which isn't bad as 1 for each class), maybe 1 bisexual of each gender in the crew or the 1/1/1 above and then the others be non PC important characters, or perhaps 2/2 on board with the bisexual options being NPCs? Or have 4 all bi characters which I still think is best for few characters, resource wise.

 

What you guys think?

[AlexiaRevan]

what does 2/2/2 stand for though ? 

[The Elder King]

what does 2/2/2 stand for though ?

2 straight, 2 homosexual and 2 bisexual LI.

[dgcatanisiri]

what does 2/2/2 stand for though ? 

 

Two straight, two bi, two gay LI's, one of each gender.

[karushna5]

what does 2/2/2 stand for though ? 

 

Oh sorry 2 straight (guy/girl) 2 Bi (same) 2 gay (same)

 

gives everyone 2 options while being diverse.

[AlexiaRevan]

I see....so same old stuff . 

[karushna5]

I see....so same old stuff . 

Well only DA:I has done it so far, and even then, Cullen and Solas sorta lopsided it into a 4/2/2 so we haven't actually ever had a 2/2/2 yet.

[AlexiaRevan]

I hate numbers..in that 2/2/2 I get one romance...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

2/4/2

 

1 bisexual female

1 bisexual male

1 heterosexual female

1 heterosexual male

1 homosexual female

1 homosexual male

1 other female

1 other male

 

By other, I mean one of the other orientations that have the person romanced by either gender protagonist, like asexual, demisexual, pansexual, etc. 

 

Everyone has three options. 

[karushna5]

I hate numbers..in that 2/2/2 I get one romance...

Huh? I mean everyone has 2 options with 2 straight/2 bi/and 2 gay

 

I mean unless they don't want options which kinda becomes moot at that point.

[karushna5]

2/4/2

 

1 bisexual female

1 bisexual male

1 heterosexual female

1 heterosexual male

1 homosexual female

1 homosexual male

1 other female

1 other male

 

By other, I mean one of the other orientations that have the person romanced by either gender protagonist, like asexual, demisexual, pansexual, etc. 

 

Everyone has three options. 

 

While we all love options, I don't think they usually have that many resources. If they do another 8 romance game like Inquisition I definitely think yours is better than 4/2/2

 

Edit: So sorry for the doubble post, the conversation was moving so fast I assumed it would not be.