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So... Can Romance Be A Little More Fair This Time?


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DaemionMoadrin

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When it comes to actually having daughters, it's because it seems that Pure Blooded Asari are far more likely to be Ardat Yakshi.  Samara mentions that AYs were a lot more common before the Asari managed space flight.  Whether or not that's completely true, I don't think we'll ever know.  That's the impression I was left with though.

 

Yes, but it's still a very small chance. 3% or something.

 

Although I still can't wrap my mind around Asari biology and reproduction. Knowing what we do about genetics there is no way the species could survive. They are either all clones whose DNA has been copied a couple hundred times already or they are playing lottery with their DNA. Neither option would allow them to have viable offspring down the road. In fact, I think the first option was the reason why the Asgard in StarGate were dying out.



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I believe Liara also mentioned in ME that there was something about its is believed that something is gained in the daughters when mating with another species but nothing is gained from mating with other asari thus nothing new is passed onto the children. If I recall correctly that is along the lines of what she said.

She also said that primitive Asari used to raise AY cults, and worshiping them was pretty common.  And always a bad idea.

 

 

Yes, but it's still a very small chance. 3% or something.

 

Although I still can't wrap my mind around Asari biology and reproduction. Knowing what we do about genetics there is no way the species could survive. They are either all clones whose DNA has been copied a couple hundred times already or they are playing lottery with their DNA. Neither option would allow them to have viable offspring down the road. In fact, I think the first option was the reason why the Asgard in StarGate were dying out.

It's actually 1% of all Asari that are on the AY spectrum.  Not all cases are severe and many can go on to lead more normal lives. Your number does apply to the most extreme cases, like Mornith.

 

I'm not trying to justify it.  I have no clue for any of this would really work and why the otherwise "wise" Asari refused to look into their own genetic code.  It's just what I've been going by based on the codex and companion info.



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Well, I simply declared Mass Effect to be futuristic fantasy/soft sci-fi and called it a day. :D

 

There is sooooo much in ME that has no basis in science, if you tried to fix or explain it properly, then you'd get a completely new universe.


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there's very little in the way of all asari relationships from involving reproduction as the gender of the other partner is irrelevant, it can presumably be carried out without sex, and so on

 

My point was mainly about physical attraction. I just find it weird that an all-female race would come to the point where physical intimicy (ignoring reproduction) with other species, and especially males of other species, was the norm. You'd think they'd be a fringe minority. For 99% of their history they probably never knew what a male was - why would they be inclined to feel attraction towards something that's almost completely alien? I think that would situate them ideally for a lesbian romance. At least I would be amused (or happy) to meet one Asari who thought male-bits were weird and didn't want anything to do with them. Provided of course they do go for a strictly lesbian romance.


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Well, I simply declared Mass Effect to be futuristic fantasy/soft sci-fi and called it a day. :D

 

There is sooooo much in ME that has no basis in science, if you tried to fix or explain it properly, then you'd get a completely new universe.

More like give yourself a headache.  :P

 

Still beats Chrono Cross.  Nothing like learning about string theory and Time Traveler's Immunity and all of that just to make sense of the plot.


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She also said that primitive Asari used to raise AY cults, and worshiping them was pretty common.  And always a bad idea.

 

 

Really? I don't recall her mentioning that. I'll have to see if I can find that conversation then in my next ME run. :)



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Really? I don't recall her mentioning that. I'll have to see if I can find that conversation then in my next ME run. :)

Talk to her after she mentions going after Mornith while you're still on the ship.  IIRC, that's when the conversation will come up.



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Humans aren't capable of living for 1000 years while getting addicted to burning out nervous systems.  That's a bit different than folks like Charles II of Spain.  He had a jaw so thick he couldn't eat.  Most of the more inbred Kings and Queens didn't live very long.  

 

It's not like he could seduce someone, burn out their nervous system, while gaining all of their knowledge.  Complete with a drug-like rush.  Personally, I think the Asari should have looked more deeply into the genetic code that might cause this, rather than sweeping the whole thing under the rug.

 

That's a good point. It's hard to compare being a mega powerful empathic vampire/succubus to the kind of problems continuous human inbreeding can result in.



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@Lady Artifice

 

I would like to point out in my suggestion for possible romances I listed a straight female, a gay female, and a bisexual male... none of which are representing my own sexuality as a gay man. There's no straight male LI either. I also want to say that I think that representation of various sexualities doesn't necessarily need to be limited or restricted to romance options. I think people often confuse LI options with representation, which in some cases it can be but in others it isn't (does that make sense?). I'm not sure if this is actually relevant to what you said... I thought it was when I started but now I'm not sure.


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I also want to say that I think that representation of various sexualities doesn't necessarily need to be limited or restricted to romance options.

This should be a sticky on top of the forum.


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@Lady Artifice

 

I would like to point out in my suggestion for possible romances I listed a straight female, a gay female, and a bisexual male... none of which are representing my own sexuality as a gay man. There's no straight male LI either. I also want to say that I think that representation of various sexualities doesn't necessarily need to be limited or restricted to romance options. I think people often confuse LI options with representation, which in some cases it can be but in others it isn't (does that make sense?). I'm not sure if this is actually relevant to what you said... I thought it was when I started but now I'm not sure.

 

I hid that comment, sorry. I'm not sure I know exactly how to explain my perspective about this adequately. 

 

I think you're making perfect sense. What I might be doing, is worrying about other people's perception more than I should, and I was concerned I'd end up digging myself into a hole of some kind. 

 

Basically, the common argument against the romance content right now seems to be really focused on the idea that people on the forums are making it into a  kind of competition. I don't think that perception is generally correct, but the popularity of threads exactly like these make people feel like they're part of a community that values romance, one of the most looked down on genres in media, more than anything else. 

 

That comment was just me trying to see things from both sides, but then second guessing whether that was something worth doing. Am I making sense?  :lol:



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Yes, but it's still a very small chance. 3% or something.

 

Although I still can't wrap my mind around Asari biology and reproduction. Knowing what we do about genetics there is no way the species could survive. They are either all clones whose DNA has been copied a couple hundred times already or they are playing lottery with their DNA. Neither option would allow them to have viable offspring down the road. In fact, I think the first option was the reason why the Asgard in StarGate were dying out.

 

I can see the asari resorting to some sort of artificial breeding process where their young are essentially farmed, with those exhibiting AY genes simply being expunged. 



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Talk to her after she mentions going after Mornith while you're still on the ship.  IIRC, that's when the conversation will come up.

 

Oh you meant Samara! Okay I remember that now I thought you were talking about Liara. My mistake^^;



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I felt like some of the romances you followed through from 2 to 3 got a little screwed over. Personally I prefer player sexual/all bi so I can pick and choose no matter my character's gender BUT I can see why having set sexualities for certain characters makes more sense an fits their personality and just generally has better writing, so I am on the fence about that. I just want romances to follow through better. BioWare has some amazing writers and I truly hope they learned from their mistakes in the past. ME3 wasn't all horrible, just the end was bad. 



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Something to consider: MEA is probably part of a trilogy. Like ME, they could add more LI in each game. So. How should that be factored in?

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@Lady Artifice

 

I get that, looking at things from multiple perspectives. I try to understand the logic behind views that oppose my own. As for the competition aspect I think that most situations that compare two  differentiating forces tend to develop a competitive nature of sorts. Sometimes it can be a good thing but in this case it seems to be more harmful than helpful. Instead of people debating ideas constructively the factions seem to be tearing each other down... more less.

 

If that was your point then yes... if not then I'm way over thinking this.

 

 

On a more relevant note I would also like to see an asari companion with a preference for female aliens. I'm not sure why exactly the thought just seems to appeal to me.


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I can see the asari resorting to some sort of artificial breeding process where their young are essentially farmed, with those exhibiting AY genes simply being expunged. 

 

Too bad that it takes decades for the Ardat-Yakshi to appear. At least until puberty.



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Too bad that it takes decades for the Ardat-Yakshi to appear. At least until puberty.

 

Each new asari grown will be monitored for the first stages of their life, and when the Ardat-Yakshi traits are revealed, BAM. The implant each asari is born with terminates the reject specimen. Javik would be proud. 



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So, uh, have you folks landed on a definition of "fair" yet?
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Each new asari grown will be monitored for the first stages of their life, and when the Ardat-Yakshi traits are revealed, BAM. The implant each asari is born with terminates the reject specimen. Javik would be proud. 

 

Sure, destroy all families and keep the kids isolated during their formative years. That won't backfire at all. ;)



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Yuppers "fair" = Subjective, highly volatile, and unicorn level illusiveness



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Sure, destroy all families and keep the kids isolated during their formative years. That won't backfire at all. ;)

 

Well, they do confine them to monasteries with which leaving without permission is punishable by death. I can imagine the asari taking some extreme precautions to save face with the rest of galactic society. The very existence of the ardat-yakshi kind of makes the whole race look like a species of walking death traps.



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My point was mainly about physical attraction. I just find it weird that an all-female race would come to the point where physical intimicy (ignoring reproduction) with other species, and especially males of other species, was the norm. You'd think they'd be a fringe minority. For 99% of their history they probably never knew what a male was - why would they be inclined to feel attraction towards something that's almost completely alien? I think that would situate them ideally for a lesbian romance. At least I would be amused (or happy) to meet one Asari who thought male-bits were weird and didn't want anything to do with them. Provided of course they do go for a strictly lesbian romance.

Made an account just to reply to this and nerd out about theories.   :P

 

Anyway, I'm going to go off on a bit of tangent here, but I promise it's related. Did you regularly stop to listen to background conversation in Mass Effect 2? On Ilium, I believe (Can't remember the exact location) you can find a bachelor party being thrown in one of the bars. A krogan, a turian, and a human threw it for their Salarian friend, and of course, the invited an Asari... em... dancer, for entertainment. The Salarian seems tepid toward the display, eventually making a comment about how he doesn't understand why humans find Asari attractive when they look exactly like Salarians. The human, of course, replies that they look like human women, and then the krogan and turian disagree, saying that they look like their own kind.

 

The implication is that asari constantly project a low-key mind meld sort of deal, and "broadcast" a false image to all who look at them. Which means that asari may not look like human women at all, that's simply how humans perceive them. To that end, it's perfectly possible that asari find human women no more or less alien then human men. 

 

This is just a theory, of course, and never directly confirmed. But there it is. And even assuming that this theory isn't true, asari culture encourages xenophilia. A lot of asari may be turned off by how similar human women look.

 

EDIT: I was a bit mistaken in that there's no Krogan there. Eh, whoops? 

 

Here's the video of it, by the way. Takes a while to get there: 



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Made an account just to reply to this and nerd out about theories.   :P

 

Anyway, I'm going to go off on a bit of tangent here, but I promise it's related. Did you regularly stop to listen to background conversation in Mass Effect 2? On Ilium, I believe (Can't remember the exact location) you can find a bachelor party being thrown in one of the bars. A krogan, a turian, and a human threw it for their Salarian friend, and of course, the invited an Asari... em... dancer, for entertainment. The Salarian seems tepid toward the display, eventually making a comment about how he doesn't understand why humans find Asari attractive when they look exactly like Salarians. The human, of course, replies that they look like human women, and then the krogan and turian disagree, saying that they look like their own kind.

 

The implication is that asari constantly project a low-key mind meld sort of deal, and "broadcast" a false image to all who look at them. Which means that asari may not look like human women at all, that's simply how humans perceive them. To that end, it's perfectly possible that asari find human women no more or less alien then human men. 

 

This is just a theory, of course, and never directly confirmed. But there it is. And even assuming that this theory isn't true, asari culture encourages xenophilia. A lot of asari may be turned off by how similar human women look.

 

It'd have to leave some kind of lasting effect on the mind when there are no asari present, otherwise a photograph of one would totally freak people out. 



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I'm pretty sure that conversation was a bit of a joke, not meant to actually be taken as canon.