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[Grieving Natashina]

Excuse me, but I hope you meant Thane and not Jacob.  No one deserves to be cheated on.  

[Malleficae]

Well tbh Liara and Kelly shouldn't be counted as pure straight dedicated option. Diana is a joke of a romance. and yes if you romanced Jacob you deserved that.  Well the same could be said about femInquisition having the most options. Sometimes romances are better in one game than the other. I found DA:I quite poor in terms of romanceable companions if you are a straight man. Actually if we consider just the companions straight males got just one romance. Where is your equality now?

 

I you play elf female you have most romances which sucks. And it's not only about being female because qunari female has same amount of romances as male. It's adding 2 romances at the end for 2 character variations (elf female or human female) which sucks.

 

I had problem with DAI romances too as bi woman. Cass, Vivi and Varric are my type and 2 not romancable with one only hetero (because they don't wanted stereotypical lesbian but they made stereotypical gay, good job BW). I like Sera as friend but she would be terrible gf. Josie is too much of princess. IB, Blackwall not my type, Solas huge nope and Cullen was cute but lemme play dwarf or qunari for Maker's sake. :/

[The Elder King]

Well tbh Liara and Kelly shouldn't be counted as pure straight dedicated option. Diana is a joke of a romance. and yes if you romanced Jacob you deserved that. Well the same could be said about femInquisition having the most options. Sometimes romances are better in one game than the other. I found DA:I quite poor in terms of romanceable companions if you are a straight man. Actually if we consider just the companions straight males got just one romance. Where is your equality now?

You deserved that if You romanced Jacob ? Seriously?
He's far from being one of My favourites, and I never romanced him, bu what Bioware did was disgusting. They got away with it because he had few fans (Which I guess was the primary reason for doing it).
A part of me want that They bring back that concept and see the reactions of people when they'll see their favourites LI treat their PC like Jacob did. I know that in the end I'd be sorry for them Though.

[SolNebula]

You deserved that if You romanced Jacob ? Seriously?
He's far from being one of My favourites, and I never romanced him, bu what Bioware did was disgusting. They got away with it because he had few fans (Which I guess was the primary reason for doing it).
A part of me want that They bring back that concept and see the reactions of people when they'll see their favourites LI treat their PC like Jacob did.

Jacob always appeared to me as a superficial guy tbh, I guess sort of expected it from him .But I agree with you that the stuff with Jacob was pretty bad and it was done just because common knowledge was that he didn't have many fans. I certainly would be pissed off too if they did that with my romance. Soo yeah you're right. Let's hope not.

[WildOrchid]

I find it amusing that all of straight fShepard's love interests, minus Garrus, cheat on her and put a baby on another poor woman or die no matter what you do. But none of dudeshep's LIs die (it was optional) or cheat on him.

 

Maybe they thought straight women love that overused drama. Lol.

[Panda]

 

I don't know if it was there before but I accidently found it and... yeah. 

 

ME3 was quite bad for straight female Shepards. I remember checking wikipedia who I could romance in ME3 without having any ME2 romances under me at that time.. and the answer was Kaidan. No choices there, Kaidan was only option. What if he had died in Virmire? There wouldn't be any romances to choose from then and I think that was the problems.

 

Well tbh Liara and Kelly shouldn't be counted as pure straight dedicated option. Diana is a joke of a romance. and yes if you romanced Jacob you deserved that.  Well the same could be said about femInquisition having the most options. Sometimes romances are better in one game than the other. I found DA:I quite poor in terms of romanceable companions if you are a straight man. Actually if we consider just the companions straight males got just one romance. Where is your equality now?

 

In the picture they aren't, both of them are options for non-straight fem!Shep. Fem!Inquisitor having 1 more if they were human or 2 more if they were elf wasn't quite same, since in the end straight male Inquisitor still had 2 options like everyone else except female human and elf so there still was options for everyone. And based on how BW wrote LI's in DAI Josie and Cullen were as fleshed out as other romances so they count ^^

[SolNebula]

I find it amusing that all of straight fShepard's love interests, minus Garrus, cheat on her and put a baby on another poor woman or die no matter what you do. But none of dudeshep's LIs die (it was optional) or cheat on him.

 

Maybe they thought straight women love that overused drama. Lol.

 

Though tbh I would trade Miranda, Diana, Kelly, Jack, Tali, Liara for Garrus.....that guy...I did a female Shepard just to romance him (and I don't play female usually).

[The Elder King]

Jacob always appeared to me as a superficial guy tbh, I guess sort of expected it from him .But I agree with you that the stuff with Jacob was pretty bad and it was done just because common knowledge was that he didn't have many fans. I certainly would be pissed off too if they did that with my romance. Soo yeah you're right. Let's hope not.

Fair enough, I had a different opinion of him in ME2

[The Elder King]

I find it amusing that all of straight fShepard's love interests, minus Garrus, cheat on her and put a baby on another poor woman or die no matter what you do. But none of dudeshep's LIs die (it was optional) or cheat on him.
 
Maybe they thought straight women love that overused drama. Lol.

Kaidan didn't cheat, as far as I know. But I agree with your point.

[WildOrchid]

Kaidan didn't cheat, as far as I know. But I agree with your point.

 

Oh yea, i forgot about him. Again.

[dgcatanisiri]

Jacob always appeared to me as a superficial guy tbh, I guess sort of expected it from him .But I agree with you that the stuff with Jacob was pretty bad and it was done just because common knowledge was that he didn't have many fans. I certainly would be pissed off too if they did that with my romance. Soo yeah you're right. Let's hope not.

 

I have the exact opposite take away of Jacob - that he's a man of integrity, that he sets out in ME2 to EARN Shepard's trust, unlike the rest of the Cerberus crew who take it as a given. As a result, he takes things seriously and fully commits to them. He doesn't relax on the Normandy until Shepard gives him the go ahead that they run the ship on a more casual basis - until then, it's focus on the mission. The way his 'arc' in ME3 basically played out was that the writers went 'what do we do about Jacob? His loyalty mission in 2 involved his father, right? Okay, so now he's going to be a family man! What do you mean he was a romance option? Well, too late to change anything!'

[dgcatanisiri]

Unless they're going to follow the DAI model of designing characters first and romances second (in which case there's no telling how the distribution will fall), I would suggest they explicitly make all the romanceable characters herosexual. Just have them all prefer whatever gender the protagonist happens to be.

That produces a more plausible result than making everyone bi, while providing exactly the same material benefit to the players.

 

...So... you're saying 'make them bi' while also saying 'don't make them bi'?

 

Because, as I've said before, the characters are always "herosexual" to a degree. So all they really need to do is take the time to add the one or two lines that it takes for them to acknowledge being bi - remarking on the attractiveness of either gender, mentioning prior relations with men AND women, things like that. I mean, Jack is a textbook example of how to establish this - once she mentions being in a relationship with a guy and a woman, and she'll also remark about how she isn't the type for a boyfriend OR girlfriend. Just these little dialogue things establish a character as bisexual with minimal effort.

[AlexiaRevan]

I have the exact opposite take away of Jacob - that he's a man of integrity, that he sets out in ME2 to EARN Shepard's trust, unlike the rest of the Cerberus crew who take it as a given. As a result, he takes things seriously and fully commits to them. He doesn't relax on the Normandy until Shepard gives him the go ahead that they run the ship on a more casual basis - until then, it's focus on the mission. The way his 'arc' in ME3 basically played out was that the writers went 'what do we do about Jacob? His loyalty mission in 2 involved his father, right? Okay, so now he's going to be a family man! What do you mean he was a romance option? Well, too late to change anything!'

Did you talk to him in ME3 ? the man of integrity was going self centered while the galaxy was burning . Then he start acting all 'err...what you did with my father....err..it haunt me' .....

 

Whole time during his loylty he had a spine , come Me3.....he was so shallow.......ugh 

[dgcatanisiri]

Did you talk to him in ME3 ? the man of integrity was going self centered while the galaxy was burning . Then he start acting all 'err...what you did with my father....err..it haunt me' .....

 

Whole time during his loylty he had a spine , come Me3.....he was so shallow.......ugh 

 

At this point I see ME2 and ME3 Jacob as two WILDLY different characters who somehow have the same name and face. Because as I pointed out further into my post, Jacob's writing in ME3 wasn't in any fashion in character, just taking the facts of his loyalty mission and not actually having cared about what went on in it. Ronald Taylor's actions didn't haunt Jacob because the man he considered his father was long dead. But all the thought that went into his ME3 appearance was 'his loyalty mission involved his father, so he has daddy issues, so to show that he's grown, he'll start a family!' And again, that WASN'T what Jacob went through.

[PhroXenGold]

Yeah. I've never done Jacob's romance, but based on what you see of his character in ME2, I'd associate him with things such as "trust" and "integrity", not "shacking up with another woman the moment your girlfriend is out of sight".

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I've grown really fond of the "good" Ardat Yakshi concept.

Of course, that would mean no sex scene.

 

Having someone like Falere who isn't stuck within a monastery would actually be a really interesting companion. Also it would be a good way to have an Asari around without having her be the standard bisexual female LI.

 

You deserved that if You romanced Jacob ? Seriously?
He's far from being one of My favourites, and I never romanced him, bu what Bioware did was disgusting. They got away with it because he had few fans (Which I guess was the primary reason for doing it).
A part of me want that They bring back that concept and see the reactions of people when they'll see their favourites LI treat their PC like Jacob did. I know that in the end I'd be sorry for them Though.

 

I actually just did Jacob's romance a couple months ago, and in his defense, he never makes Shepard any promises about the future. He never outright states that he's only looking for a fling, but he does emphasize that he's looking for something relaxed and informal and actively rebuffs a Shepard who persues him too aggressively. So I don't find it strange that Jacob didn't spend those six months standing on a Widow's Walk and waiting for Shepard to come back to him. What I do find strange is that he immediately falls in love with another woman and wants to marry her and start a family with her, which is the exact opposite of his perogative before. That was what was so out of character. If instead when they had Shepard run into Jacob in ME3 they had him tell her that he'd moved on and just didn't feel it anymore, it would have still been a crappy thing for them to do considering they a least tried to continue Miranda and Jack's romances, but at least it would have made sense.

[Sylvius the Mad]

...So... you're saying 'make them bi' while also saying 'don't make them bi'?

Some players don't like the idea of the companions all being bi (personally, I think it would be interesting to play in a setting where everyone was bi, and any gender preference was seen as unnatural), so herosexuality is a way around that.

It would also implicitly promote my bubble universe approach to multiple playthroughs, which I think would improve most people's games.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah. I've never done Jacob's romance, but based on what you see of his character in ME2, I'd associate him with things such as "trust" and "integrity", not "shacking up with another woman the moment your girlfriend is out of sight".

Heavy risk, but the lack of patience.

[RevilFox]

Though tbh I would trade Miranda, Diana, Kelly, Jack, Tali, Liara for Garrus.....that guy...I did a female Shepard just to romance him (and I don't play female usually).

That's fair. I would trade every romance in all of Bioware for Jack. Sigh.

[AlexiaRevan]

Yeah. I've never done Jacob's romance, but based on what you see of his character in ME2, I'd associate him with things such as "trust" and "integrity", not "shacking up with another woman the moment your girlfriend is out of sight".

Jacob shouldve never been a romance . With kasumi going Stalker on him  wich was hilarious , and the 'Watever thing may or may not have had with Miranda' ......he couldve been an awesome deep friendship instead of that whole 'Fling' cose thats how it looked to me . They were a fling no more then that . And that mission in ME3....I found it way too cliché . That scientist couldve been just an old friend and nothing more . 

[Abelas Forever!]

What Jacob did in ME3 was very bad. I just don't see why it was a good idea to let him cheat Shepard and have a child with another woman. I think there could have been ways to continue the romance without doing something like that and still cut content from his romance. I think it would have been better if you could have continued the romance but wouldn't been able to seen him for the rest of the game.

 

Even though Shepard's relationship with Jacob isn't that serious in ME2 it doesn't meant that he couldn't have waited for her those 6 months like other LIs.  Besides I could think of ways why other LIs would have wanted to break up with Shepard.  Miranda might have never truly left Cerberus. She might have just lied. Jack might have gotten so angry at Shepard when he surrendered that she broke up with him. Tali and Garrus might have realized that the relationship just don't work between different races so they would have ended the relationship. Liara might have thought that Shepard don't live long enough so she doesn't want to start a serious relationship with him/her because of that. Kaidan and Ashley might have never forgiven Shepard for allying with Cerberus. So I think there are ways how a relationship with an LI could or couldn't work. The relationship with Jacob didn't work even though it could have been possible and I think there isn't any story reason why it couldn't have worked. I really hope something like doesn't happen again. I could think of ways how LI might start cheating but I think it would be better if that would happen because the PC doesn't  take care of that relationship for example.

[KaiserShep]

"We're having a baby Shepard."

"Good for you. You should name it after your father."

[Boost32]

At this point I see ME2 and ME3 Jacob as two WILDLY different characters who somehow have the same name and face. Because as I pointed out further into my post, Jacob's writing in ME3 wasn't in any fashion in character, just taking the facts of his loyalty mission and not actually having cared about what went on in it. Ronald Taylor's actions didn't haunt Jacob because the man he considered his father was long dead. But all the thought that went into his ME3 appearance was 'his loyalty mission involved his father, so he has daddy issues, so to show that he's grown, he'll start a family!' And again, that WASN'T what Jacob went through.

They are only different if Shepard romanced him in ME2, because his actions if not romanced are very in character.

[OhNoWhyHow]

At this point I see ME2 and ME3 Jacob as two WILDLY different characters who somehow have the same name and face. Because as I pointed out further into my post, Jacob's writing in ME3 wasn't in any fashion in character, just taking the facts of his loyalty mission and not actually having cared about what went on in it. Ronald Taylor's actions didn't haunt Jacob because the man he considered his father was long dead. But all the thought that went into his ME3 appearance was 'his loyalty mission involved his father, so he has daddy issues, so to show that he's grown, he'll start a family!' And again, that WASN'T what Jacob went through.

 

I think he's consistent actually.  I see him as a wildly impatient man who bails out when things aren't going to way he likes.  

Alliance isn't going the way he likes: he bails and joins Cerberus.

Cerberus isn't going the way he likes: he bails and goes wandering.

Relationship with Shepard isn't going the way he likes: he bails and gets another woman pregnant *inside six months.*

 

He also has a consistent strong dose of holier than thou "I have my **** together so everyone else should too" even though he fundamentally doesn't have his **** together.  This comes up in ME2 when he will get pissy if you bring up anything potentially implying he has unresolved emotions about anything.  

[KaiserShep]

Just wait until Cole is too busy in some other part of the galaxy helping with the relief effort. He'll be in Rio, shacking up with Kasumi.