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[mrjack]

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Sex is a milestone

 

I agree. Having sex for the first time fundamentally alters a relationship even if it's not something you actively pursue or even desire (as seems to be the case for asexuals). Whether it is an "achievement" worthy of the name is debateable and a little juvenile.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Since we were discussing Romance, I figured it was bloody implied it wasn't casual sex

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There have been casual sex routes in the romance paths before. 

 

But even not counting those, having sex is not the only way to commit to a romantic relationship. 

[Master Warder Z_]

There have been casual sex routes in the romance paths before.

Only one in ME prior to Citadel

And Jack writes you off as a romance if you do have casual sex.

So I'd argue in every case presented in ME its committing to the relationship, in Tali's case doubly so since it presents a active risk to her well being to even be intimate with Shepard.

[Phate Phoenix]

So I started a post about romances carrying on through the games and began to wonder about how they worked in ME though ME3, and this happened:

 

 

GAME - LI START : FLING/DOES NOT GRANT ACHIEVEMENT : FROM PREVIOUS GAME

 

ME1 - 3 : 1 : 0

Liara, Ashley, Kaidan : Sha'ira : ---

1 d/s female / 2 d/s male / 1 s/s female / 0 s/s male

0 d/s female / 1 d/s male / 1 s/s female / 0 s/s male

0 d/s female / 0 d/s male / 0 s/s female / 0 s/s male

 

ME2 - 6 : 3 : 3

Miranda, Tali, Jack, Jacob, Garrus, Thane : Kelly, Samara, Morinth : Liara, Ashley, Kaidan

3 d/s female / 3 d/s male / 0 s/s female / 0 s/s male

0 d/s female / 3 d/s male / 3 s/s female / 0 s/s male

1 d/s female / 2 d/s male / 1 s/s female / 0 s/s male

 

ME3 - 5 : 3 : 7 (+3)

Steve, Samantha, Liara, Ashley, Kaidan : Diana, Javik, James : Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Thane, Kelly, Samara (+Liara, Ashley, Kaidan)

1 d/s female / 2 d/s male / 2 s/s female / 2 s/s male

2 d/s female / 1 d/s male / 1 s/s female / 0 s/s male

2 (+1) d/s female / 5 (+2) d/s male / 2 (+1) s/s female / 0 s/s male

 

I simply dropped Jacob and Morinth from the count for ME3 for obvious reasons. Liara, Ashely, and Kaiden are all part of LI for ME3 because you can start an romance with them, but they are included in Previous via the (+x). Though you don't get an achievement for them, Samara, and Thane are part of Previous Game.

 

Overall: 11 LIs, 7 'Trysts'

 

 

I like the numbers of it (not the spread, of course). I think the number of new LI's should taper off towards the end, instead of in ME-ME3 where they started small, added many in ME2, and then dropped a bit more in ME3. My thoughts are that MEA should start with a good base of LI (the 2/2/2 spread for instance) with one or two characters that are set-up for becoming LI in later games, alongside a few totally new characters. Then you could make the previous LI still available to newer audiences in later games as well, so the numbers don't feel smaller.

 

Mostly, I want the writers to make use of the fact that we'll (presumably) be playing the same character for several games, who interacts with many of the same characters (I hope). That gives them a chance to evolve relationships, like they did with Tali and Garrus (and Kaidan for M!Shep), but with more build up.

Modifié par Phate Phoenix, 27 juin 2015 - 02:38 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Though you don't get an achievement for them, Kelly, Samara, and Thane are part of Previous Game.

Actually, Kelly grants you the achievement in Mass Effect 3. 

[Legion of 1337]

At least 2 options for everyone can't be really be called unfair. Not when everyone didn't get 2 in DAO and ME's. DA2 was fairest from ME and DA games, DAI second fairest in it's approach

Actually you can in fact construe it as unfair. It's rather simple.

 

> overwhelming majority of people are straight.

 

> makes no sense for there to be only as many possible straight LIs as gay given the previous fact

 

> should be far more of them

[Rannik]

But that's provided that you don't mind waiting 2 whole games for it to materialize. That's really where it can be rather dissatisfying.

 

That pacing is what made it so good.

 

I'll definitely take more slow friendships over the average "we'll bang ok?"  Bioware videogame romance.

[Seraphim24]

I think you can create one character that appeals to everyone (LGBT, straight, bi, whatever), to be honest, obviating the need for all these specific romances altogether.

[AlanC9]

Actually you can in fact construe it as unfair. It's rather simple.

> overwhelming majority of people are straight.

> makes no sense for there to be only as many possible straight LIs as gay given the previous fact

> should be far more of them

I don't see how point 2 follows from point 1. "Makes no sense" isn't an argument, it's placeholder for something. Is it that the NPCs ought to be a random sample of the setting's population, and match its demographics?

If so, why aren't you complaining about quarians and drell being overrepresented?

[In Exile]

Whenever people talk about the composition of a population and then draw conclusions about the composition of a non-random sample I weep a little.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think you can create one character that appeals to everyone (LGBT, straight, bi, whatever), to be honest, obviating the need for all these specific romances altogether.

Not really. If only one character, that means only one sex which means two orientations at least are not being appealed to. 

 

For example if the one LI is male, they aren't appealing to heterosexual men and homosexual women. If female, they aren't appealing heterosexual women and homosexual men.

[Seraphim24]

Not really. If only one character, that means only one sex which means two orientations at least are not being appealed to. 

 

For example if the one LI is male, they aren't appealing to heterosexual men and homosexual women. If female, they aren't appealing heterosexual women and homosexual men.

 

Someone not declaring their sexuality one way or another does not seem to prevent people who identify as LGBT from identifying with or liking them along with straight people.

 

For example I've seen people of a rather wide variety of orientations all seem to like Elsa from Frozen.

[Legion of 1337]

I don't see how point 2 follows from point 1. "Makes no sense" isn't an argument, it's placeholder for something. Is it that the NPCs ought to be a random sample of the setting's population, and match its demographics?

Pretty much. I mean if I saw a game set in America I'd expect mostly white people, some Hispanics and some blacks. If it was in China I expect Chinese. If we're talking human sexuality, then by the same token I'd expect almost entirely heterosexuality.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Someone not declaring their sexuality one way or another does not seem to prevent people who identify as LGBT from identifying with or liking them along with straight people.

 

For example I've seen people of a rather wide variety of orientations all seem to like Elsa from Frozen.

Oh, you meant appeal to in that context. I thought you meant appeal to as a love interest. My apologies. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Pretty much. I mean if I saw a game set in America I'd expect mostly white people, some Hispanics and some blacks. If it was in China I expect Chinese. If we're talking human sexuality, then by the same token I'd expect almost entirely heterosexuality.

 

Heterosexuality isn't as common as people think, although the vast majority of people are hetero. "Almost entirely" is too much though.

 

There's also the fact that sexuality exists on several scales and what we call hetero is the product of two of those.

 

We shouldn't forget that people like to play out different roles. There are many straight guys who play lesbian romances and many straight women who play gay romances. Those are part of the demographic as well and with that it makes more sense to treat every option equally because you're still appealing to the majority of people.

[AlanC9]

Pretty much. I mean if I saw a game set in America I'd expect mostly white people, some Hispanics and some blacks. If it was in China I expect Chinese. If we're talking human sexuality, then by the same token I'd expect almost entirely heterosexuality.

The problem with this is that, as In Exile pointed out, it isn't a random sample. Characters are there to fulfill certain plot roles. Their sexuality is no more typical of people in the setting than their combat prowess is.

[eyezonlyii]

ok, so i want to post a video, and not just the link. How do I go about doing that?

I promise it's (kind of) relevant.

[Lady Artifice]

ok, so i want to post a video, and not just the link. How do I go about doing that?
I promise it's (kind of) relevant.

Well, if its YouTube just posting the text in the search bar makes it show up for me.

[Rannik]

Heterosexuality isn't as common as people think, although the vast majority of people are hetero. "Almost entirely" is too much though.

 

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Really, stop the nonsense, even in anonymous polls made in countries where people have absolutely no reason to lie about it only 2~5% would define themselves as anything other than strictly heterosexual.

[DaemionMoadrin]

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Really, stop the nonsense, even in anonymous polls made in countries where people have absolutely no reason to lie about it only 2~5% would define themselves as anything other than strictly heterosexual.

 

Do you have sources for that?

[Master Warder Z_]

Do you have sources for that?

Do you have sources for your claim?

To be fair, they asked first

[eyezonlyii]

Well, if its YouTube just posting the text in the search bar makes it show up for me.

no i mean so that the video shows up in my post instead of just the link.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

no i mean so that the video shows up in my post instead of just the link.

You copy and paste the url. 

[Lady Artifice]

You copy and paste the url. 

 

Yeah, Daisy's using the correct words. 

 

It should show up, not just a link. 

[Grieving Natashina]

no i mean so that the video shows up in my post instead of just the link.

If that isn't working, try [ media] [/ media] or [video ] [/ video] around your link without the spaces.  That should work.