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[pdusen]

So Neverwinter Nights is better than Fallout New Vegas because you can romance the clumsy elf cleric?

 

It might be, if the lack of romances were literally the only difference between these two games.

[Angry_Elcor]

Who says they aren't already free, and enjoy, over the critisism, money cost, and work, making romances as much as we enjoy romancing them?

 

Have you seen the documentary footage of the romance writers' room?

 

 

Someday, we will be seen as heroes of the VG labour movement.

[Monica]

 

Have you seen the documentary footage of the romance writers' room?

 

 

Someday, we will be seen as heroes of the VG labour movement.

I'mmmm... not sure what I just saw.

[Asari Goddess]

 

Have you seen the documentary footage of the romance writers' room?

 

 

Someday, we will be seen as heroes of the VG labour movement.

 

          WTF is THIS

[Angry_Elcor]

I'mmmm... not sure what I just saw.

 

A glimpse inside the romance industry. Or the animation industry. Both. I'll say both.

[Donk]

No romance, but what about just plain old base animal sex?

[Nicotine Caffeine]

That would be Baldur's Gate 1 only, though. And I am pretty sure most people (myself included) think Baldur's Gate 2 was superior to it's prequel, and that game did have romances, just to say. Granted, it was possible play such way that you were totally ignorant romances by certain companion choices (or managing get that companion killed/petrified/kicked out temporarily, thus cancelling romance) but romances were there.

 

Anyway, I am bit mystified by fact people can't just simply ignore romance content...   As far I see it, it's just bonus content, way to flesh out game's story.

NO. As story, BG1 is absolutely superior to BG2. Especially considering that what Irenicus does in BG2 technically is not possible in D&D.

Anyway, Angry_Elchor, i understand you, and i totally agree. But you can't expect to have an RPGs without romances, for a simple reason. But i don't mention it or that would be the end of the 'civility' of this thread. But i'm sure you can get to the reason by yourself...

[Nicotine Caffeine]

These nerds can't help it, they gotta get their sexual/romantic fix somewhere.

Ah wait. He said it for me. Well, then that's it.

[The Heretic of Time]

You know I'm not going to lie, romances and the ability to form close bonds with crew mates and party members is the sole purpose I play BW games, no other developer does this on the level of BW.  

 

CD Projekt RED did it on the same level and actually went beyond that. I'd say Geralt's relationship with Yennefer in The Wicher 3 far exceeds anything BioWare has ever put out in terms of romance arcs.

 

Ofcourse CD Projekt RED did have an unfair headstart, they had a whole series of novels about Geralt and Yennefer to build on. But even still I'd say the romance arc between Geralt and Yennefer is far more intriguing and far more mature than any romance arc in any BioWare game.

 

Edit: I'm not just hating on BioWare's romance arcs though. Some of them are quite good. Especially DA:I had some interesting romance arcs. Blackwall, Cullen and Solas in particular had intriguing romance arcs, all romance arcs for just the female Inquisitor sadly enough (the male Inquisitor only had Dorian as an interesting romance option).

[Nicotine Caffeine]

The point i think is: while you can't in real world go inside doungeons and kill orcs, dragons and goblins, you can go out meet people and have romances. So do you want some romance? Go out and meet someone. There's always some fishes in the sea. For any kind. ANY. But there aren't goblins.

Damn it. Now i'm sad. I want a goblin or a kobold to kill.

[The Heretic of Time]

The point i think is: while you can't in real world go inside doungeons and kill orcs, dragons and goblins, you can go out meet people and have romances. So do you want some romance? Go out and meet someone. There's always some fishes in the sea. For any kind. ANY. But there aren't goblins.

Damn it. Now i'm sad. I want a goblin or a kobold to kill.

 

I'd wager that for many people posting on the BSN it's actually quite difficult to get the attention of the opposite sex. Not everyone is as charming and charismatic as you and me. That's why these less fortunate people try to get their romantic fix in videogames like Mass Effect.

[Seboist]

I'd wager that for many people posting on the BSN it's actually quite difficult to get the attention of the opposite sex. Not everyone is as charming and charismatic as you and me. That's why these less fortunate people try to get their romantic fix in videogames like Mass Effect.

 

Based on the amount of postings RE: S/S romance, it seems they have problems getting attention from the same sex too.

[aoibhealfae]

I'm told I'm too cynical to be in love... sigh. Another failed relationship story you don't need to worry about.  Honestly, I get my romance fix from paranormal romance section in my library.... and there's more R-rated sex in them than most M-rated games these days. 

[Seboist]

I'm told I'm too cynical to be in love... sigh. Another failed relationship story you don't need to worry about.  Honestly, I get my romance fix from paranormal romance section in my library.... and there's more R-rated sex in them than most M-rated games these days. 

 

Relationships are about what you get out of them, and if the cons outweigh the pros, then it's time to split. That's all there is to it.

[Feybrad]

Based on the amount of postings RE: S/S romance, it seems they have problems getting attention from the same sex too.

 

I like that Burn

[Suketchi]

CD Projekt RED did it on the same level and actually went beyond that. I'd say Geralt's relationship with Yennefer in The Wicher 3 far exceeds anything BioWare has ever put out in terms of romance arcs.

 

Ofcourse CD Projekt RED did have an unfair headstart, they had a whole series of novels about Geralt and Yennefer to build on. But even still I'd say the romance arc between Geralt and Yennefer is far more intriguing and far more mature than any romance arc in any BioWare game.

 

Edit: I'm not just hating on BioWare's romance arcs though. Some of them are quite good. Especially DA:I had some interesting romance arcs. Blackwall, Cullen and Solas in particular had intriguing romance arcs, all romance arcs for just the female Inquisitor sadly enough (the male Inquisitor only had Dorian as an interesting romance option).

 

You can't compare the relationships in Bioware games to those in Witcher 3, because you can't create your own character in the Witcher series. Playing as a default character is an entirely different role-playing experience than playing as one you created, especially in terms of interaction with your companions.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You can't compare the relationships in Bioware games to those in Witcher 3, because you can't create your own character in the Witcher series. Playing as a default character is an entirely different role-playing experience than playing as one you created, especially in terms of interaction with your companions.

 

Why? The only difference is the gender and the name.

[In Exile]

Why? The only difference is the gender and the name.

 

And the appearance, and the process of creating creates a personal connection (for some) just in virtue of doing it. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

And the appearance, and the process of creating creates a personal connection (for some) just in virtue of doing it. 

 

What does that matter for the story? Do you have to write the romance differently because the protagonist could have different hair colors?

[In Exile]

What does that matter for the story? Do you have to write the romance differently because the protagonist could have different hair colors?

 

I was going somewhere else with that point, but yes. When the character isn't pre-defined, you have to write a romance arc that's more flexible to the variance in personality a character can have. Even ignoring the fact that Geralt has a preset background and pre-established relationship with Yennifer, the fact that he has a very narrow range of personality makes it workable. While Bioware games are by no means hugely variable in who the PC can be and the personality the PC can express, there's more variance than you get out of TW3. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I was going somewhere else with that point, but yes. When the character isn't pre-defined, you have to write a romance arc that's more flexible to the variance in personality a character can have. Even ignoring the fact that Geralt has a preset background and pre-established relationship with Yennifer, the fact that he has a very narrow range of personality makes it workable. While Bioware games are by no means hugely variable in who the PC can be and the personality the PC can express, there's more variance than you get out of TW3. 

 

Eh... no. Personality doesn't even enter into it.

 

First of all, you can set up the game so your protagonist can establish their own background. DA:O did this, for example.

 

Secondly, set up the requirements for the romance in a way that any protagonist entering into is eligible. For example, if your character is a massive dick to everyone, then perhaps he's not going to impress the LI. Nothing new either.

 

Geralt's relationships are based on his long history with the women in question, they are in fact a terrible example because you aren't really falling in love, you are continuing a relationship your character had long before you got anything to say about it.

 

That's the actual difference between the romances, not the pre-defined character vs. the custom character.

[N7Jamaican]

There was one time where I didn't romance anyone, that was in ME2 before LotsB came out, and my previous LI was Liara.

[Hellamarian]

 

 

This seems like a fear reaction. I wonder what you could be afraid of?

 

It's an obvious troll thread!

[Angry_Elcor]

It's an obvious troll thread!

 

Something something something satire something something something plenty of legitimate points something something something disagreement doesn't equal trolling and some other somethings from somewhere where I said something or someone else...

 

It's tiring, but mainly because it's hard to come up with a new joke every time someone plays the troll card. It's not just a lazy card on the surface, it's lazy to arrive at that conclusion while skipping past everything that would tend to indicate otherwise on the way there.

 

There's only one part of the card that actually bothers me, though. I would be quite good at it. If I actually wanted to troll, I mean. There would be nothing "obvious" about it. If I actually set out to troll a forum, I am very confident that forum would well and truly trolled. I know BSN's weak points, and I have watched plenty of people exploit them for trolling with varying degrees of success. If I really wanted to do it, myself, I'm pretty sure I could come up with something that would get the job done admirably.

 

I honestly have no interest. Upsetting random strangers on the internet doesn't amuse me. Amusing people on the internet amuses me. Amusing people while making a valid point seems like a worthwhile thread. I promise I'm saying this for the last time: I knew there were going to be people upset by it. But, there is a big difference between knowing that people will be upset by something that you say and saying it for the purpose of upsetting those people.

 

 

Ah, I'll probably just delete this post in a few minutes.

[Suketchi]

Why? The only difference is the gender and the name.

 

The difference is game-play experience. In Witcher 3, can you choose how you interact with the love interest/companions? Can you choose who your character is romantically involved with? Can the love interest/companions react differently to your character based on that interaction? If you play a Bioware game, you are able to feel an emotional connection to the companions. You are able to express how you feel about those companions. When you play through Witcher 3, you feel Gerault's emotional connection to the companions, how he feels about them. What he thinks.