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[DaemionMoadrin]

The difference is game-play experience. In Witcher 3, can you choose how you interact with the love interest/companions? Can you choose who your character is romantically involved with? Can the love interest/companions react differently to your character based on that interaction? If you play a Bioware game, you are able to feel an emotional connection to the companions. You are able to express how you feel about those companions. When you play through Witcher 3, you feel Gerault's emotional connection to the companions, how he feels about them. What he thinks.

 

That's not the difference between pre-defined and custom protagonist. I explained that in an earlier post.

 

Tell me, what exactly is the difference between the DA:O and the DA2 romances? DA2 had a (mostly) pre-defined protagonist while DA:O was all over the place with the customization.

[KaiserShep]

Why? The only difference is the gender and the name.

And the volume of characters. Thing is, the task of establishing the history between two or more characters is entirely on the game itself, but then there's the disposability of characters. You can start something with Ashley or Kaidan, but then subsequently have that particular LI nuked.

[DaemionMoadrin]

And the volume of characters. Thing is, the task of establishing the history between two or more characters is entirely on the game itself, but then there's the disposability of characters. You can start something with Ashley or Kaidan, but then subsequently have that particular LI nuked.

 

That's a story issue, not a romance one? What exactly do you mean with volume?

 

Btw... is your avatar male or female? Oddly attractive...

[KaiserShep]

That's a story issue, not a romance one? What exactly do you mean with volume?

Btw... is your avatar male or female? Oddly attractive...

True. But I mean that there are usually a lot more characters and you can usually get rid of or kill them, especially in DA. I admit to being limited in perspective since I don't know much about Yen's relationship with Geralt, but I imagine being one of possibly two(?) characters to have a relationship with makes it simpler to focus content.

My avatar is my FemShep.

[Suketchi]

That's not the difference between pre-defined and custom protagonist. I explained that in an earlier post.

 

...for me, yes it is. As for your previous post, you never really explained what you felt the difference was. Feel free to try to explain again if you want.

 

Tell me, what exactly is the difference between the DA:O and the DA2 romances? DA2 had a (mostly) pre-defined protagonist while DA:O was all over the place with the customization.

 

I hated DA2, so my conclusions would be biased... but the main difference for me between DAO and DA2 romance was the actual interactions, and Hawke himself/herself. Limited control over the character and his/her interactions made the relationships shallow. I never felt an emotional connection to the characters.

 

Hawke may as well have been a pre-defined protaginist, but that didn't magically change when Hawke become fully customizable in DAI, so limited appearance customization didn't have much to do with it.

 

Truthfully, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. Opinions can't be invalidated. All I'm saying is that for those who enjoy the relationships in Bioware's games for the same reasons I do, Witcher 3 does not offer an alternative.

[Nicotine Caffeine]

I'd wager that for many people posting on the BSN it's actually quite difficult to get the attention of the opposite sex. Not everyone is as charming and charismatic as you and me. That's why these less fortunate people try to get their romantic fix in videogames like Mass Effect.

Well... I don't feel so much charming, but as i said, the sea is plenty of fishes, so one can always find some match. However in DA2 there's a cool romance with Isabela though. But only becouse Isabela it's a cool character.

[The Heretic of Time]

The difference is game-play experience. In Witcher 3, can you choose how you interact with the love interest/companions? Can you choose who your character is romantically involved with? Can the love interest/companions react differently to your character based on that interaction? If you play a Bioware game, you are able to feel an emotional connection to the companions. You are able to express how you feel about those companions. When you play through Witcher 3, you feel Gerault's emotional connection to the companions, how he feels about them. What he thinks.

 

Yes, in TW3 you can choose how you interact with your LI and companions.

Yes, in TW3 you can choose who Geralt is romantically involved with.

Yes, your LI can react differently to Geralt on that interaction.

If you play TW3 you are also able to feel an emotional connection to the companions through Geralt. More so than in any BioWare game, because Geralt isn't an emotionless blank-slate pawn, but a fully fleshed-out character that is much easier to empathize with.

[RZIBARA]

The difference is game-play experience. In Witcher 3, can you choose how you interact with the love interest/companions? Can you choose who your character is romantically involved with? Can the love interest/companions react differently to your character based on that interaction? If you play a Bioware game, you are able to feel an emotional connection to the companions. You are able to express how you feel about those companions. When you play through Witcher 3, you feel Gerault's emotional connection to the companions, how he feels about them. What he thinks.

 

I dont think you've played the Witcher 3.

[Seboist]

One cool thing about TW1 is how one can get Geralt to express his view on what kind of relationship he's having with Triss or Shani, whether a true 'mance, FWB or a mere bang. It's not like a BW game where one can only have a sappy "romance".

[Br3admax]

And one cool thing about the Witcher 2 is how it goes to great lengths to say how you really felt. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, in TW3 you can choose who Geralt is romantically involved with.

No, you are able to choose who you keep being romantically involved with. There's a big difference. 

[Br3admax]

No there isn't. Especially since Geralt doesn't start "romantically involved" with anyone. It's been over half a year since things went south with Triss and even several years since he's been with Yennefer. That's more than enough time to learn to move on. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No there isn't. Especially since Geralt doesn't start "romantically involved" with anyone. It's been over half a year since things went south with Triss and even several years since he's been with Yennefer. That's more than enough time to learn to move on. 

Both TW2 and TW3 start with a sex scene to show that Geralt cares for this person a lot. Those are CDPR's words, not mine. The player had no input in whether they wanted to be with those women, only if they want to stay with those women. That's a big difference between the player being able to choose whether they want to be with someone at all or not. 

[Lady Artifice]

Plus, in later posts he does an excellent job of explaining why he feels that way, without resorting to insults or anything like that.  

 

I agree with you.  I'm pretty happy that this was one of the first romance threads.  I do agree with Elcor to some extent, in so much that some of the fans have assigned too much importance to them.  I kept trying to do "favorite friendships" threads, a few times.  I know you and dave and a few others posted in them, but they were pretty much overlooked.  

 

That's why, despite some differences in opinion, I don't entirely disagree with Elcor.  It's also why I've mentioned that I would prefer if BioWare keep romances in their existing IPs, like DA and ME, but I'd be fine if the writers saved themselves the trouble with the current new IP that they are writing at the moment.  Also, I know that if a writer doesn't feel like making their character a romance, or generally doesn't like writing them, then they should never feel they have to by the fans.  Contractually they are under no obligation to include romances, and that's the way it should be.  

 

Besides, I don't play these games for the romances.  I enjoy them.  I enjoy talking about them and discussing new ideas, but that's not why I play and replay these games.  

 

I still disagree with the general concept, and that lies in my belief that we shouldn't use the forum reaction as an indicator for how much romances dominate the way these games are written. I look at Bioware game and I can perceive evidence to back up the writers' claim that they craft the characters, and their role in the story first, before they design the romance arc. I believe any of these characters, with a few possible exceptions (cough, Jack, cough) can and do stand well outside of their romance arcs. I also look at their original romance plans for DAI, 

 

Cassandra and Josephine,

Josephine and Sera,

Dorian and Iron Bull,

Iron Bull and Blackwall.

 

These are not the characters that I would expect to see from a company that's bending over backwards to provide the kind of excessive fan service that debilitates the writers' freedom to take risks. To me, these characters look like the same kind of risk taking controversiality that I expect from Bioware. I think the addition of Cullen muddies the issue, since he's indisputably granted a hefty amount of fan service in game, but I still don't think they would have added him if they hadn't damn well felt like it. 

 

I also object to the general stigma that increasingly circulates around the romance content, the perception that it's inherently something tawdry and excessively indulgent. Even more emphatically, I object to the idiotic assertion that people who like it do so out of lonely desperation. Stupid assumptions are stupid. 

 

Stigma tends to gravitate to a lot of genre fiction, whether it's fantasy, horror, sci-fi. I object to that stigma in all cases. But it particularly gravitates toward romance, since romance is emotion based and associated with "chickification." I think romance fans are mocked for the same reason "fangirl" is used derogatorily, because something becoming associated with "girliness" often delegitimizes in the eyes of the people prone to do the mocking. 

 

People can become over focused on the romances, I absolutely agree, but I would also point out there aren't a lot of fan bases that aren't obsessed with romance/shipping. This is a characteristic of humanity that there isn't any getting away from, BSN or no. 

 

That said, I think you should make another friendship specific thread for MEA. I'd post enthusiastically. 

[Suketchi]

I don't think you've played the Witcher 3.

 

Nope, that's why I was asking. 

 

If you play TW3 you are also able to feel an emotional connection to the companions through Geralt. More so than in any BioWare game, because Geralt isn't an emotionless blank-slate pawn, but a fully fleshed-out character that is much easier to empathize with.

 

That was my point. You feel Gerault's emotional connection, not yours.

[Kabraxal]

Yes, in TW3 you can choose how you interact with your LI and companions.

Yes, in TW3 you can choose who Geralt is romantically involved with.

Yes, your LI can react differently to Geralt on that interaction.

If you play TW3 you are also able to feel an emotional connection to the companions through Geralt. More so than in any BioWare game, because Geralt isn't an emotionless blank-slate pawn, but a fully fleshed-out character that is much easier to empathize with.

I disagree. I feel more with the Bioware pc's than I ever did with Geralt. But then, i could actually role play in them where Geralt is pretty set. Also never really felt much at all with Geralt until the drinking scene. That's when the character actually opened up to me.

[Seboist]

Nope, that's why I was asking. 

 

 

That was my point. You feel Gerault's emotional connection, not yours.

 

Neither Geralt or any BW character is your self-insert. Role Playing =/= LARPing.

[pdusen]

Neither Geralt or any BW character is your self-insert. Role Playing =/= LARPing.

 

Why not? I've played every Bioware game as though my character were a rough copy of myself (except for the odd purposely-evil playthrough).

[KaiserShep]

That was my point. You feel Gerault's emotional connection, not yours.

 

 

When my city elf Warden slid his dagger into the throat of that crummy merchant, he felt more joy in the act than I could in good conscience. 

[The Heretic of Time]

Neither Geralt or any BW character is your self-insert. Role Playing =/= LARPing.

 

Complaining that you can't play as your own made-up self-insert in a videogame RPG is like an actor complaining that he can't play his own made-up self-insert in a movie. It's just ridiculous.

[Seboist]

Why not? I've played every Bioware game as though my character were a rough copy of myself (except for the odd purposely-evil playthrough).

 

I'd hope you have more intelligence and are less of an emotional brick than Shepard. This is the same guy whom asks if Asari can reproduce with each other and treats being brought back to life after being dead for two years as if he just woke up from an afternoon nap.

[pdusen]

I'd hope you have more intelligence and are less of an emotional brick than Shepard. This is the same guy whom asks if Asari can reproduce with each other and treats being brought back to life after being dead for two years as if he just woke up from an afternoon nap.

 

I don't get the argument here. Games always will have limited options. I choose the one that an in-universe me would most likely choose and move on with my life.

[In Exile]

I'd hope you have more intelligence and are less of an emotional brick than Shepard. This is the same guy whom asks if Asari can reproduce with each other and treats being brought back to life after being dead for two years as if he just woke up from an afternoon nap.

That's basically the only sane way to deal with that one. 

[KaiserShep]

I'm not sure how else Shepard should really deal with Project Lazarus. I guess if the game forced Shepard to consult a therapist to come to terms with the existential crisis or something, but unless I get to kill the therapist, like Michael does to his in GTA V, do not want. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about romances, or lack thereof?