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[Serza]

Does pushing romances in your face count as a drink or do they have to be gay romances? 

 

That'd be a drink, mate.

 

apparently not

so, how about this: implementing a toggle for this sort of thing would add complexity to the game without any payoff to the vast majority of people, nor would it meaningfully impact equality

the solution to 'I don't want to see that in the game' is to not pick the option: this is the same with romance as it is with other things, like moral choices

just as it'd be really goofy to say 'how dare you implement the ability to be pointlessly evil, you should make a toggle, I don't want to see those pixels'

the toggle is the dialogue, and if you have trouble ignoring an option in the dialogue wheel that you don't want to take but which doesn't actually affect a playthrough when you don't pick it that's a problem on your end, not the devs'

 

I'm out of likes. Consider this as having my signature added to the list of signatures.

 

Claim dismissed.

 

You being a decent person....? The Quarian councillor has dismissed that claim.

[Synthetic Turian]

You being a decent person....? The Quarian councillor has dismissed that claim.

 

Since when was a suit rat Quarian appointed into the council?

[Serza]

That response...  

[Angry_Elcor]

did you read all of the now 875 responses and categorize them into one of the either two groups you mentioned? 

 

honest question is honest.

 

I'll tell you why this question is really strange: The first reason is that it is very obvious that he has read all the posts in the thread. The second is that he wasn't suggesting that every post falls into one of those two categories. The third is that the reason for his question is very obvious - he is asking Lady Artifice for clarification regarding what she said. The fourth is that your question doesn't really make any sense, in that the answer is obviously no. That means your question was not an honest one, it was a rhetorical one (and a pretty baffling one at that.)

[Lady Artifice]

They still push romances in your face though. I dont even want to see the option in the dialog wheel.

 

You seem to be mistaking an asexual for a person with control over the will and interests of the people around them. 

 

Not interested in either. They should let us choose our sexual preference in the character creator.

 

 

Some of these content toggle requests are so bizarre. Seriously, it's the only way a lot of people seem to want to make the fictional universe less believable and even more focused on the fickle whims of the protagonist. 

 

I don't know, I guess it's not as weird as asking for a means to change the physical appearance of your companions in the main game. I just don't get why so many posters think the protagonist is actually God-- because at best, they're a demigod with super strength and skill. They can't usually, actually alter character's relative interest in sexual and romantic intimacy. 

[Synthetic Turian]

You seem to be mistaking an asexual for a person with control over the will and interests of the people around them. 

 

 

 

Some of these content toggle requests are so bizarre. Seriously, it's the only way a lot of people seem to want to make the fictional universe less believable and even more focused on the fickle whims of the protagonist. 

 

I don't know, I guess it's not as weird as asking for a means to change the physical appearance of your companions in the main game. I just don't get why so many posters think the protagonist is actually God-- because at best, they're a demigod with super strength and skill. They can't usually, actually alter character's relative interest in sexual and romantic intimacy. 

 

I don't know.

 

I'd much rather engage in tactual combat in a video game vs go on a date or sleep with a fictional character. But again, that might just be me.

 

I'd gladly enjoy it if whatever data in the game amounts to romantic encounter(s), was replaced with more weapons, mods, and possibly new areas.

 

Weird, I know.

[KaiserShep]

Less romance content would simply end with less romance content. It will never translate into a gun we could've had, or a map we could've fought a battle on.

[Synthetic Turian]

Less romance content would simply end with less romance content. It will never translate into a gun we could've had, or a map we could've fought a battle on.

 

How do you know? Data is data after all.

 

And between the graphical and audio data alone (that these romances use), that has to amount to something. No?

[Lady Artifice]

I don't know.

 

I'd much rather engage in tactual combat in a video game vs go on a date or sleep with a fictional character. But again, that might just be me.

 

I'd gladly enjoy it if whatever data in the game amounts to romantic encounter(s), was replaced with more weapons, mods, and possibly new areas.

 

Weird, I know.

 

You're twisting my point, though. I'm not saying it's weird to want to avoid romance content, I'm saying it's weird to want the interests of a story's fictional characters to bend to your own.

[Synthetic Turian]

You're twisting my point, though. I'm not saying it's weird to want to avoid romance content, I'm saying it's weird to want the interests of the other fictional characters to bend to your own.

 

I am? And why not though? Mass Effect games to me have always been a form of expression. A multitude of customized, interactive narratives and personal decisions.

 

The decisions you make, constantly changing the outcomes of various situations, for or against you. And in turn changing the world around you.

 

I don't see how choosing a sexual preference at the start would be any different from say, choosing to kill Wrex on Virmire.

 

My fictional main character just bent to my renegade choice. So, I mean...

[KaiserShep]

How do you know? Data is data after all.

And between the graphical and audio data alone (that these romances use), that has to amount to something. No?

Most guns are just reskins with various sound and visual effects many of which are nigh identical. Heck look at Destiny, a game that is nothing but guns. Quite a few of them use the same exact same models and sound effects, only with different stats and colors. Guns aren't a meaningful component in the game in terms of story, so they would be comprised of a lot of recycled assets.

As for choosing sexual preference at character creation, I don't see the point of that when simply avoiding the specific romances later works the same exact way. Putting aside the message it may inadvertently send, it's just redundancy.

[Lady Artifice]

I am? And why not though? Mass Effect games to me have always been a form of expression. A multitude of customized, interactive narratives and personal decisions.

 

The decisions you make, constantly changing the outcomes of various situations, for or against you. And in turn changing the world around you.

 

I don't see how choosing a sexual preference at the start would be any different from say, choosing to kill Wrex on Virmire.

 

My fictional main character just bent to my renegade choice. So, I mean...

 

To what point and purpose is the issue. It's not a big deal if you're choosing a sexual preference just to choose it. Pointless, since you can also just play the game with your sexuality of choice, but not a big deal. However, if you expect the other characters around your protagonist to magically adjust their own interests based on that, then you're getting into unexplained god-like power territory. 

[Synthetic Turian]

Most guns are just reskins with various sound and visual effects many of which are nigh identical. Heck look at Destiny, a game that is nothing but guns. Quite a few of them use the same exact same models and sound effects, only with different stats and colors.

 

Destiny is a terrible example, and reskin or not, the guns and the sounds that they make all take up data. 

 

I actually did a comparison once on various guns in the Mass Effect trilogy. Only in Mass Effect 1, did I see bare minimum customized guns. Most were in fact reskins. But, Mass Effect 2? Guns became more and more distinguishable from each other, and I think it safe to say that in Mass Effect 3, besides the M8 & M7 assault rifles, all guns look and sound completely different from one another.

 

So, I'm not sure what exactly you mean, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Synthetic Turian]

To what point and purpose is the issue. It's not a big deal if you're choosing a sexual preference just to choose it. Pointless, since you can also just play the game with your sexuality of choice, but not a big deal. However, if you expect the other characters around your protagonist to magically adjust their own interests based on that, then you're getting into unexplained god-like power territory. 

 

It's not entirely an issue, just something I'd like to see. If my character was in fact an asexual who turned down advances and lingering team mates looking for me to fill their silences with emotional support, I'd expect them to take the hint, and hopefully, my non interest will carry over into the next game. This way I wouldn't have to deal with them or anyone else (on that level) anymore. The mission would always take priority. Always.

 

Sounds like bliss to me. But you know what they say about bliss. 

[FKA_Servo]

I don't see how choosing a sexual preference at the start would be any different from say, choosing to kill Wrex on Virmire.

 

If this is how you feel, would you object to having the option to kill Wrex on Virmire present as a toggle during character creation, as opposed to a choice made over the course of normal gameplay?

 

In any case, I really hope someone makes a game without optional romance subplots for you. It must be tough, having your choices restricted to nearly everything else that gets made these days.

[Synthetic Turian]

If this is how you feel, would you object to having the option to kill Wrex on Virmire present as a toggle during character creation, as opposed to a choice made over the course of normal gameplay?

 

Because I don't know who Wrex is during character creation. But I do know who I want my character to be.

[Lady Artifice]

It's not entirely an issue, just something I'd like to see. If my character was in fact an asexual who turned down advances and lingering team mates looking for me to fill their silences with emotional support, I'd expect them to take the hint, and hopefully, my non interest will carry over into the next game. This way I wouldn't have to deal with them or anyone else (on that level) anymore. The mission would always take priority. Always.

 

Sounds like bliss to me. But you know what they say about bliss. 

 

It still sounds like a complete non-issue to me. The removal of one dialogue option equating bliss for you is...going completely over my head, so I'll drop it. 

[FKA_Servo]

Because I don't know who Wrex is during character creation. But I do know who I want my character to be.

 

And you're free to express that in how you play the game, how you pursue (or don't) relationships, and how you direct the narrative.

 

If you don't want to pursue a romance option, then... don't. If you really think that an extra 20 lines of dialogue added to the word budget is taking away weapons or missions... I guess find a different game that doesn't force such frivolous content on you. There's literally no shortage, as Bioware is one of maybe three developers who include this to any extent (and for a long ass time, they were the only one who did).

[Synthetic Turian]

It still sounds like a complete non-issue to me. The removal of one dialogue option equating bliss for you is...going completely over my head, so I'll drop it. 

 

 

And you're free to express that in how you play the game, how you pursue (or don't) relationships, and how you direct the narrative.

 

If you don't want to pursue a romance option, then... don't. If you really think that an extra 20 lines of dialogue added to the word budget is taking away weapons or missions... I guess find a different game that doesn't force such frivolous content on you. There's literally no shortage, as Bioware is one of maybe three developers who include this to any extent (and for a long ass time, they were the only one who did).

 

Cool. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You can still play as asexual when they write romances, though.

Well, while you can play someone who doesn't have a sexual relationship the games have had Shepard express interest in people in a way that is not fitting with a playthrough where the player wants to play as an asexual, demisexual, or other parts of the Grey-A spectrum.

[Valdez_ua]

They should do romances, just they shouldn't turn game into datesim like DAI and ME3, where everybody in your party want's to date you, no matter gender, race or species. It really looks forced and not natural.

[FKA_Servo]

They should do romances, just they shouldn't turn game into datesim like DAI and ME3, where everybody in your party want's to date you, no matter gender, race or species. It really looks forced and not natural.

 

You really need to spin it in order for either game to fit that characterization, though.

 

In no universe do any of these games remotely resemble a dating sim. The subplots are practically an afterthought most of the time.

[Angry_Elcor]

I'd much rather engage in tactual combat in a video game vs go on a date or sleep with a fictional character.

 

You have that choice, it just isn't an either/or choice.

 

I'd gladly enjoy it if whatever data in the game amounts to romantic encounter(s), was replaced with more weapons, mods, and possibly new areas.

 

You may be overestimating the resources involved. By "may be overestimating" I actually mean "overestimating." What's weird to me about this experience that I'm having at the moment is that you appear to be the poster for whom most of the replies directed at me were intended. But you only just showed up.

[Valdez_ua]

You really need to spin it in order for either game to fit that characterization, though.

 

In no universe do any of these games remotely resemble a dating sim. The subplots are practically an afterthought most of the time.

Calling it a dating sim is a sarcasm. I mean that having so many potential love interest in a party is just an attempt to please everybody, and it looks unnatural in game narrative and atmosphere.

[Synthetic Turian]

They should do romances, just they shouldn't turn game into datesim like DAI and ME3, where everybody in your party want's to date you, no matter gender, race or species. It really looks forced and not natural.

 

Completely agree.

 

I recall playing DA:I and talking to Cullen, about his history (mind you, this is very early in the game, and might even be my first conversation with him with the dialogue wheel). Anyway, out of nowhere a gay romance text appears in my wheel. I immediately thought to myself; "What did I do or say to initiate this?" Lol! Seriously, I gave him no complements or excessive positive reinforcements, but there it was.

 

Now, I'm not at all bashing gays, I'd never. But I do find it interesting that the text literally appeared out of nowhere. That screams dating sim to me.

 

I also had a similar experience with Iron Bull as well.

 

Dragon Age: Dating Sim.